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lmao at him saying they could have taken the gun and shot him with it. I can’t recall that ever happening with people who disarmed shooters. It feels like a projection.
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The absurd part for me is that, if someone points a gun at me, my first reaction is going to be to try to grab it so it's not pointing at me anymore - it just seems absurd that pointing a gun, while illegal, isn't particularly punished - but reacting to that incorrectly is a death sentence.
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DesertIslandHermit posted:lmao at him saying they could have taken the gun and shot him with it. I can’t recall that ever happening with people who disarmed shooters. It feels like a projection. Yeah speaking about projection, Rittenhouse claimed when he was being cross-examined that the danger he was preventing by shooting the first victim was that he was afraid that the dude would take his gun and kill other people with it you know.. what Rittenhouse ended up doing
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zegermans posted:The absurd part for me is that, if someone points a gun at me, my first reaction is going to be to try to grab it so it's not pointing at me anymore - it just seems absurd that pointing a gun, while illegal, isn't particularly punished - but reacting to that incorrectly is a death sentence. Well it depends if you are a god-fearing American that deserves justice or a commie that deserves death
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yeah turns out the idea that the NRA & GOP are constantly advocating for of using a killing machine for "self defense" makes no loving sense when applied to real situations & is now leading to a world where it's legal to kill someone so long as you have a murder weapon in plain sight
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Nov 16, 2021 23:15
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We already got the bad apple white supremacist so I don't know why Rittenhouse would ever face consequences.
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Lastgirl posted:when kyle rittenhouse is not found guilty, the mods must change the thread title to Kyle Acquittenhouse thank you good bye the house always wins
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Cranappleberry posted:the jurors for the Zimmerman case were also told by the ADA they had to "prove a negative" in order to convict. I think at least one later came out to say that Zimmerman might not have had a claim to self-defense based on the evidence but at the time every part of the system (prosecutors, judge and etc) were telling them they couldn't convict. If you're poor they hold you in Rikers without bail for years to make you break down and plead guilty and if you make it to trial you get 30 minutes with an overworked public defender who has 12 other cases that day, they march you into court in a prison jumpsuit and chains and the jury is instructed to imagine you mugging their grandma behind the courthouse after the trial. Other defendants get to wear a suit and tie, sit in the judge's lap during proceedings, have all the evidence of their guilt suppressed because evidence of guilt is prejudicial, they get to pick their own jury, and the prosecutor tells the jury something like "yes you've seen that my client uh I mean the wrongfully accused shot all those people but as the DA I must inform you that under our state's 'He Who Smelt It Dealt It' Law the real murderer is whoever called it murder first and you can not prove that he was yelling 'yes I am murdering right now' as he pulled the trigger so legally you must acquit and find all the bystanders guilty on all counts"
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JAMOOOL posted:yeah turns out the idea that the NRA & GOP are constantly advocating for of using a killing machine for "self defense" makes no loving sense when applied to real situations & is now leading to a world where it's legal to kill someone so long as you have a murder weapon in plain sight Combined with a country that is constantly rocked by mass shootings, it’s just a shitpot of disaster when some chud shoots a person and the people nearby think another one is happening and try to either run or take measures to save other people. Complete clusterfuck.
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Nov 16, 2021 23:21
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah really drives home that laws basically don't exist and the appearance of law relies on railroading people who lack the resources to fight. If you're rich you can usually pay someone who is the judge's golf buddy enough money to find a loophole like Cosby, and if you're one of these vigilantes out gunning down the people cops wish they could the whole system works together to manufacture an acquittal. meanwhile, a guy on the left shoots someone in self defense and there's a presidentially-sanctioned hit put out on him inside of the week i occasionally wonder how the Rule of Law libs reconcile this kind of thing with their worldview, and then I remember that they consider anyone they kill acceptable losses at best, and unpersons at worst
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Nov 16, 2021 23:21
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This feels like it could be good sign it's taking this long but good things don't happen anymore so idk
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:meanwhile, a guy on the left shoots someone in self defense and there's a presidentially-sanctioned hit put out on him inside of the week Rule of Law libs usually don't consider the possibility of bad institutions, only individual bad actors. So they'll lament how this case happened to draw a bad judge, or the jurors happened to be sympathetic to the murderer, or the prosecutor happened to be incompetent, or the defence lawyers happened to be good at their jobs, rather than point at the entire rotten system and say "the whole thing needs to go"
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Nov 16, 2021 23:24
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shyduck posted:This feels like it could be good sign it's taking this long but good things don't happen anymore so idk at the very least its making that little poo poo nervous which i'll take any victory big or small.
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zegermans posted:The absurd part for me is that, if someone points a gun at me, my first reaction is going to be to try to grab it so it's not pointing at me anymore - it just seems absurd that pointing a gun, while illegal, isn't particularly punished - but reacting to that incorrectly is a death sentence. Yeah which is why you'll never be trained to do that, the way you win a gun fight is either to not get into a gunfight (run) or shoot them first. Trying to grab the gun will never work and result in you being killed. If you don't have a gun and can't run you're better off kicking the shooter in the nuts and then running. The world isn't king Fu hustle, if anyone tries to teach you to disarm an opponent that's like the ultimate red flag that they're a grifter.
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Thoguh posted:He’s gonna get a full ride to Liberty and then become a congressman. he's gonna be autographing tits at the next CPAC, very very presidential
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Nov 16, 2021 23:25
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At least we got Chauvin taken away. Worth it for Joker Carlson alone
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shyduck posted:This feels like it could be good sign it's taking this long but good things don't happen anymore so idk typically longer deliberations mean not guilty
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Putting my last minute bet: He just gets one reckless endangerment charge that gets reduced to a few months so Kyle can both be a hero and a martyr to how prison traumatized him
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Nov 16, 2021 23:28
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CaptainACAB posted:Yeah which is why you'll never be trained to do that, the way you win a gun fight is either to not get into a gunfight (run) or shoot them first. right and none of these people are trained so Grosskreutz has to decide in a matter of seconds whether he should A) kill him, B) pray that he won't get shot, or C) try to disarm him, and the defense is essentially arguing "you should've killed him when you had the chance"
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Nov 16, 2021 23:30
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gregday posted:typically longer deliberations mean not guilty it took 2 days for chauvin to be found guilty of everything
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Torpor posted:they didn’t print off the 36 pages of instructions that contain the definitions and elements of the offenses for the jury? US jury trials are a joke
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yea deliberation length is pure voodoo, there's tons of things that could be holding it up that benefit either side
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Defense seems to be it's okay for Kyle to point his gun at anyone (he's just trying to help people) but if any son of a bitch points back they're toast. If you point you gun first you're in charge, and at that precise moment if you experienced fear as your defense attorney will strongly encourage you to recall, you can lay waste
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parthenocarpy posted:Defense seems to be it's okay for Kyle to point his gun at anyone (he's just trying to help people) but if any son of a bitch points back they're toast. If you point you gun first you're in charge, and at that precise moment if you experienced fear as your defense attorney will strongly encourage you to recall, you can lay waste If you’re white, male and right, though
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parthenocarpy posted:Defense seems to be it's okay for Kyle to point his gun at anyone (he's just trying to help people) but if any son of a bitch points back they're toast. If you point you gun first you're in charge, and at that precise moment if you experienced fear as your defense attorney will strongly encourage you to recall, you can lay waste If fear there be, the shooter goes free
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JAMOOOL posted:right and none of these people are trained so Grosskreutz has to decide in a matter of seconds whether he should A) kill him, B) pray that he won't get shot, or C) try to disarm him, and the defense is essentially arguing "you should've killed him when you had the chance" Edit: also - has it been established that Rittenhouse pointed his gun at the first dude before he tried to grab the gun away? I haven't seen that.
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Lastgirl posted:when kyle rittenhouse is not found guilty, the mods must change the thread title to Kyle Acquittenhouse thank you good bye 
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Hello hope, my old friend, I am ready, to be hurt again
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Good Citizen posted:are we going to have to do another day of this poo poo? probably, even if they do have a result now I'd bet the judge waits till tomorrow for it to avoid night protests instantly breaking out, didn't they try that with Chauvin?
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Trapick posted:Or Grosskreutz could have just stayed the gently caress away from the dumbass with the gun. In the first video Rittenhouse is running, raises gun and points, then turns his back and slows down to a walk and continues to move the same direction. A second later he looks over his shoulder, spins and fires
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Trapick posted:Or Grosskreutz could have just stayed the gently caress away from the dumbass with the gun. rosenbaum? absolutely Kyle testified he pointed the gun at rosenbaum to “stop the attack” or threat or whatever wording he used
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:meanwhile, a guy on the left shoots someone in self defense and there's a presidentially-sanctioned hit put out on him inside of the week That was done by Bad Apples like Donald J Trump who disrespected rules and norms, and it just goes to show how we must respect the rules even harder so it won't happen again. Thus we must only pass one bill a year and it must be bipartisan and no legislative cutting in line. Well except for unimportant rules like privacy and due process and international law because that namby pamby do-gooder nonsense gets in the way of catching and killing terrorists
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VitalSigns posted:That was done by Bad Apples like Donald J Trump who disrespected rules and norms, and it just goes to show how we must respect the rules even harder so it won't happen again. Thus we must only pass one bill a year and it must be bipartisan and no legislative cutting in line. don't forget tax cuts to the rich and insane unasked-for bonuses to the pentagon, that also is just a given, no debate needed
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