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Google Butt posted:Andrew Koji woulda been a better spike imo Between being cast in the new David Leitch film and being available for Warrior's third season, it's probably a good thing he wasn't available tbh.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. The people going nuts about that either don't remember the show at all or are 100% bad faith. That was exactly as annoying as Ed is in the anime, like identical. Which I don't think is a good idea, but you can't say it wasn't accurate. lol
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For the record, this is anime ed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRid-B5xqlA&t=1s I think she's quite different, but I know people have different opinions on it.
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SpaceAceJase posted:We don't yet have the technology to make anime real. Get a VR headset and try out VRChat, then come back here and say that again  Google Butt posted:Andrew Koji woulda been a better spike imo I didn't know who this was but holy poo poo. If this were a better adaptation that tried to actually take the source material seriously (lol), then he would've been perfect. And I'm only saying that as a guy who's just now watching the anime for the first time. Like, even just his natural pose here 
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Finished! I enjoyed it! I think they did a great job at capturing the tone of the original and translating it into meatspace. I liked the background world building. I thought it did a decent job of reshuffling parts and pieces just enough to keep it feeling fresh. The CGI was good quality, but you can tell they really had to pick and choose and budget the moments. Now that I see what they did with Vicious, I don't mind how they fleshed him out a little more and spent so much time with him. I'm not sure how all of that jives with the characterization of the original, it seems like they had to make Spike a little too nostalgic for that to work. I suppose they could be going somewhere else with it, but I don't see how we get to "Bang!" from here, if that is their goal. Maybe they want to try something new? Casting was pretty spot on: Mustafa Shakir obviously deserves special mention! I enjoyed Cho's Spike, you can tell he did a lot to study the original and mannerisms. Faye obviously had the most changes, but it was more of an acceleration that a reimagining. I think they probably should have kept the tape for S2 and (finale spoilers) kept Faye as the church hostage. Moving all of that up so soon just lessened its impact. There were also a few too many conceits, for me, to get back to the set piece with Vicious and Spike in the finale. I get the feel that they are aiming to retell the original's main story in three seasons, so I imagine the S2 finale will be more or less the plot of Jupiter Jazz. I will be furious if we don't get a Heavy Metal Queen and spacecatte as the S2 opener. I think many of you who think that this adaptation didn't match the tone/quality of the original are cherry-picking your moments. The original had plenty of dumb lines and moments that didn't quite work out, to say nothing of the overt male-gaze (the lack of which is what I think many online reviewers are actually upset about with Faye).
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No Wave posted:For the record, this is anime ed: It is absolutely different and grating in a way the original was not. I wonder if people saying there isn't a difference are just...watching the new series with Japanese audio, which retained the original cast from the anime. I looked up the final Ed scene with Japanese audio and it's basically night and day in comparison.
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MadFriarAvelyn posted:It is absolutely different and grating in a way the original was not. I wonder if people saying there isn't a difference are just...watching the new series with Japanese audio, which retained the original cast from the anime. I looked up the final Ed scene with Japanese audio and it's basically night and day in comparison. Ed's casting was fine and they were absolutely that annoying in the original. Ed was my least favorite character, originally, but after rewatching the anime in advance of the live-action, I came to realize they are the glue that holds the whole show together. The last minute was probably the best I could have expected. I don't see any difference in the tone of the characterization or portrayal.  Why did this bother everyone so much?
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Yeah this netflix bebop poo poo is crazy, who the gently caress is this show even made fo- Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:
Ah.
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 if your worse critique is my use of a 40 year old fictional slang word used to evoke the nostalgic referencing of the original and adaptation...Your trolling of this thread is lazy. Put some  in.
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Nov 26, 2021 17:13
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now *THIS* is nutbags!
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tfw your  worst critique  is pointing out the use of a 40  year old fictional slang word  used to evoke the nostalgic  refrencing of the original and  adaptation (??????????????) :psygangnamstyle:
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gently caress that post is almost as obnoxious to look at as Netflix's adaptation of Cowboy Bebop! Almost.
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Mulva posted:What if instead of doing that, they just gave you way way more Vicious? Hey Netflix, if you're reading this Cowboy Vicious
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Nov 26, 2021 17:41
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Is this what passes for content/trolling in CSPAM? Are there no iks there to beecock effortless not-even-shitposting? Not even worthy of an ignore.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:
Changing everyone else to better fit the direction they wanted to take the show then transplant Ed 1:1 did not work out the way they wanted.
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Nov 26, 2021 17:57
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grate deceiver posted:Hey Netflix, if you're reading this Heck yeah, let's piledrive it home and put vicious as one of the crew going forwards And whenever he's not on screen everyone should be asking "where's vicious??"
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:
MadFriarAvelyn posted:It is absolutely different and grating in a way the original was not. I wonder if people saying there isn't a difference are just...watching the new series with Japanese audio, which retained the original cast from the anime. I looked up the final Ed scene with Japanese audio and it's basically night and day in comparison. No Wave fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Nov 26, 2021 |
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Nov 26, 2021 20:06
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The show is vastly improved by the Japanese audio track and I prefer to watch my anime dubbed. Which suggests if the show runners can unfuck the scripts they could much improve the show in general.
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Nov 26, 2021 20:15
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PIssing myself laughing at the fact they made random sword villain a Beta Cuck. Crain posted:Saw a write up about this yesterday: Why does everyone in Netflix's Cowboy Bebop talk like that? The one actual Whedon example the article refers to: "Well, if this guy wants to fight with weapons, I've got it covered from A to Z, from axe to... zee other axe." is an actual loving joke. Like it or not, it's a lot stronger than the other quotes "they fly now?!" or "Hey dick-hole! Super cool accommodations, but do you think you could handcuff me to an even bigger, more disgusting toilet? Cause that would be great." Don't make me defend Joss fuckin Whedon but this is some shallow trash bullshit analysis that 'dialogue I didn't like' was linked to some lovely guy who is famous for some actually good dialogue. There's definitely a cliche about some of these styles of dialogue in modern blockbusters from Faye's cartoonishly outrageously sweary nonsense, to the using of jokey tones that don't actually fit scenes or have actual jokes - but that's not 'Whedon'.
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Speaking of Ed, there's a brief interview with the actor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yyWgfLbW-M Honestly it seems like they like the character (and have Correct opinions about which is the best Ed scene from the anime). Honestly just seeing them not in fisheye lens makes them look much better. Looking forward to seeing them in season 2.
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Neither Buffy nor Firefly were funny you were just stupider hth op
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Yvonmukluk posted:Speaking of Ed, there's a brief interview with the actor: It is probably worth noting that Ed’s lone scene in season 1 — approximately 30 seconds total — is done in front of a near-conscious Spike. So yeah, the way it’s shot and presented is basically one from Spike’s barely coherent point of view. If there’s a season 2 I’d still expect Ed to be obnoxious but probably not shown in this extreme POV that seems to have people up in arms over.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Speaking of Ed, there's a brief interview with the actor: Yeah I think live action Ed will work better when not seen via fisheye lens. I was weirdly relieved to see Eden describe Ed as being a female character in this adaptation rather than non binary, not because I take issue with non binary characters (I honestly do not give a gently caress about Gren being officially non binary in the live action) but because there's no way Ed is introspective enough to think about gender identity.
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Xibanya posted:Yeah I think live action Ed will work better when not seen via fisheye lens. I mean, some non-binary people do use she/her or he/him pronouns. Edward usually referred to herself as 'Edward', anyway. I don't think Ed ever used a pronoun to describe herself in the anime.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I mean, some non-binary people do use she/her or he/him pronouns. Edward usually referred to herself as 'Edward', anyway. I don't think Ed ever used a pronoun to describe herself in the anime. I had a concern they'd have the character explain they wish to be called "they/them" which would be utterly ridiculous because the only sensible pronoun for Ed is Ed.
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Future archeologists will look at this pronoun poo poo and do a facepalm.
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Omon Ra posted:Future archeologists will look at this pronoun poo poo and do a facepalm. no gently caress off with that
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Why do you feel the need to talk about the gender identity of this 13-year-old cartoon character?
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Xibanya posted:I had a concern they'd have the character explain they wish to be called "they/them" which would be utterly ridiculous because the only sensible pronoun for Ed is Ed. 'Edward is Edward.' -Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV, 2071. Omon Ra posted:Why do you feel the need to talk about the gender identity of this 13-year-old cartoon character? Because they deliberately cast a non-binary actor to play her? Hell, in one interview Watanabe refers to Ed as 'it'. Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Nov 26, 2021 |
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tokin opposition posted:Neither Buffy nor Firefly were funny you were just stupider hth op Omon Ra posted:Future archeologists will look at this pronoun poo poo and do a facepalm. 
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VagueRant posted:Profile: Omon Ra claims to be a porpoise.
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Omon Ra posted:Why do you feel the need to talk about the gender identity of this 13-year-old cartoon character? why do you feel the need to poo poo up this thread with transphobic horseshit? circling back to actual good topics, this interview here gives me the impression the showrunners really tried their best to not gently caress it up, so I'll be fascinated by any post mortem that comes out in a few years about what led to the loving up of things. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewAINI1az1w&t=567s Yvonmukluk posted:'Edward is Edward.' yeah it's hard to explain but I totally buy the idea of Ed innately being non-binary, but the concept of Ed actually realizing/voicing this seems totally foreign to the character. E: it's important to note that you shouldn't place as much importance on "it" in Japanese as you would in English as it's really typical to implicitly refer to people and things in Japanese without a gendered pronoun, way moreso than it is in English. So if the interview was translated, I'd mentally substitute in "they" for "it" in that sentence. I doubt he means the pejorative implications the word it carries in English. Xibanya fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Nov 26, 2021 |
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Yvonmukluk posted:'Edward is Edward.'  Yvonmukluk posted:Because they deliberately cast a non-binary actor to play her?
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Dongicus posted:Yeah this netflix bebop poo poo is crazy, who the gently caress is this show even made fo- Dongicus posted:now *THIS* is nutbags! Dongicus posted:
Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Is this what passes for content/trolling in CSPAM? Are there no iks there to beecock effortless not-even-shitposting? lmfao
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well anyway here is some poo poo I made for twitter that ya'll might enjoy https://twitter.com/ManuelaXibanya/status/1462749611857174543?s=20 https://twitter.com/ManuelaXibanya/status/1463135727684833287?s=20 https://twitter.com/ManuelaXibanya/status/1464543412728872961?s=20 Xibanya fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Nov 27, 2021 |
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I don't l like anime and am 3 episodes in. I like this show. Anime would be better if it was not anime is my conclusion.
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Elvis_Maximus posted:Heck yeah, let's piledrive it home and put vicious as one of the crew going forwards Now that Julia has betrayed our sweet boy, I'm onboard with team #ViciousFayeFaye Do it cowards.
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The worst part about Netflix' Cowboy Bebop is it constantly forces me to ask what the dog doin'. Ein's not even in the background of some episodes he should be in. Worst adaptation I've ever seen.
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I'm going to write the most insufferable line about this reboot humanly possible in order to explain episode 9: Jazz is sometimes about the notes you don't play, and every single newly added note incorporated into Spike and Viscous' tune was flat and uninspired.
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Xibanya posted:The show is vastly improved by the Japanese audio track and I prefer to watch my anime dubbed. Which suggests if the show runners can unfuck the scripts they could much improve the show in general. I saw a clip where someone dubbed a laugh track over the dialogue and gave the show a Seinfeld-style intro. This is the correct way to watch it, I think. Everything made a lot more sense.
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