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This was posted about a few days ago, here's a follow up. https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1466007421428682754
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I don't believe cops...but I also don't believe millionaire Hollywood Actors...
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pentyne posted:This really isn't the thread to argue the legal irregularities for the Smollet case especially since there seem to be a lot of people fully willing to disbelieve anything he says and 100% back the Chicago PD, an organization that literally ran/is running torture blacksites to force suspects into giving confessions. Blindly assuming that everything the Chicago PD says is a lie is just as dumb as blindly believing them, especially when the story that's come out of Smollet's own mouth was so ridiculous. If the Chicago PD claimed the earth was round would you become a flat earther?
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thekeeshman posted:Blindly assuming that everything the Chicago PD says is a lie is just as dumb as blindly believing them, especially when the story that's come out of Smollet's own mouth was so ridiculous. If the Chicago PD claimed the earth was round would you become a flat earther?
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Dec 2, 2021 03:47
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Lot of people in this thread lucky that that the victim being a queer black man apparently makes it perfectly acceptable to attack his credibility and argue the cops are clearly an unbiased source of truth. Am I missing something? Did Jussie Smollet try to take down a major Democrat figure or something in the last few weeks?
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I actually thought all the charges had been dropped so I was surprised to see a headline about it.
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Dec 2, 2021 07:20
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thekeeshman posted:If the Chicago PD claimed the earth was round would you become a flat earther? mistrusting the CPD on a verifiable, objective fact and mistrusting them on the subject of whether a gay black man was assaulted are not the same thing shut the gently caress up.
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It’s okay to say “I don’t know what happened” and just shut the gently caress up for a little bit. You don’t have to choose between the black queer guy who doesn’t have his story straight and the racist rear end Chicago PD. There’s a criminal case about this. Wait for the facts.
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Dec 2, 2021 13:54
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UnknownMercenary posted:This was posted about a few days ago, here's a follow up. Didn't she make a pretty penny off of her memoir? Maybe some restitution to Mr. Broadwater is in order. Or actual ownership of her own role in the whole debacle.
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Dec 2, 2021 18:06
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DarkSol posted:Didn't she make a pretty penny off of her memoir? Maybe some restitution to Mr. Broadwater is in order. Or actual ownership of her own role in the whole debacle. Uh, she was still attacked and raped, which seems like the point of the memoir. She made a mistake at first but when she wasn't able to identify him again the cops and DA basically browbeat her into believing it was him. The only truly guilty party here are the cops.
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Dec 2, 2021 18:52
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They should rerelease the book with a forward that names the cops and the judge who were complicit in the framing of an innocent man.
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pentyne posted:Uh, she was still attacked and raped, which seems like the point of the memoir. She made a mistake at first but when she wasn't able to identify him again the cops and DA basically browbeat her into believing it was him. I still think, even if she wasn't the sole cause here, that she has a moral duty to share the millions in profits with the man whose life was ruined due to her pointing at him on the lineup. She was victimized by the police as well, but her life was materially improved on the whole because of the story that he had a fundamental part in. I think that if they rerelease the memoir, she similarly has a moral duty to edit and update with this situation in mind, perhaps even to reflect on the fraught nature of a black man going to jail on incorrect testimony from a white woman. She seems like a decent person overall, and her apology was a great start, so I really hope she does what is right.
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Vegetable posted:It’s okay to say “I don’t know what happened” and just shut the gently caress up for a little bit. You don’t have to choose between the black queer guy who doesn’t have his story straight and the racist rear end Chicago PD. There’s a criminal case about this. Wait for the facts. That's generally where I'm at, but I legit thought the story was that he was attacked at or around 2am when it was, like, below zero degrees out by 2 white MAGA chuds in Chicago who recognized him from Empire, which didn't make any sense to me on it's face for a few reasons, and I thought that was the general consensus. Though I can't for the life of me remember where I got any of my information, so I fully admit I'm wrong since no one in here can pull a story about him saying the guys were white, which already puts the whole thing into question. Strange how that story went loving nuts. Now I don't know what the hell happened.
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Famethrowa posted:I still think, even if she wasn't the sole cause here, that she has a moral duty to share the millions in profits with the man whose life was ruined due to her pointing at him on the lineup. She was victimized by the police as well, but her life was materially improved on the whole because of the story that he had a fundamental part in. She didn't point at him in a lineup, though. She pointed at someone else, and then the cops told her afterwards that it was because a friend trying to trick her or something? The cops then convinced her to testify it was him. Then microscopic hair samples "matched" him, which has since been proven to be bullshit science. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/alice-sebold-apology-anthony-broadwater-rape quote:Broadwater was later arrested when a police officer suggested he had been seen in the area where Sebold said she had seen the man. A revised memoir wouldn't be a terrible idea, with new sections on how the police hosed the whole thing up, but I can see why she may not want to go back into it. But yeah, someone owes him some money. I think it's the system. She would certainly be nice if it was her. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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thrawn527 posted:She didn't point at him in a lineup, though. She pointed at someone else, and then the cops told her afterwards that it was because a friend trying to trick her or something? The cops then convinced her to testify it was him. Then microscopic hair samples "matched" him, which has since been proven to be bullshit science. Even if that is true, she still testified against him, making her complicit, even if she was on some level coerced. He went to jail as a result of her decision to testify. That's not to say you shouldn't have sympathy for her, as she was also a victim, but her victimization didn't mean 16 years in jail and a ruined life. It is also his story, and she has two books and two movies worth of money made from his story.
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I absolutely don't think she is 'guilty' in the slightest since she was a victim of the police who exploited her to be shitheads. That said even if she doesn't legally owe him anything I can't imagine not feeling like you morally owe him something. That is of course her decision but I can't imagine not doing everything I could to help someone whose life got ruined in part due to me. Even something like agreeing to pay his legal fees while he sues the *poo poo* out of the city ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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thrawn527 posted:That's generally where I'm at, but I legit thought the story was that he was attacked at or around 2am when it was, like, below zero degrees out by 2 white MAGA chuds in Chicago who recognized him from Empire, which didn't make any sense to me on it's face for a few reasons, and I thought that was the general consensus. Though I can't for the life of me remember where I got any of my information, so I fully admit I'm wrong since no one in here can pull a story about him saying the guys were white, which already puts the whole thing into question. Strange how that story went loving nuts. Now I don't know what the hell happened. Smollett executing a hoax involving lying to police, mail fraud, etc. as a bizarre, ill-advised publicity stunt, and the Chicago PD being a notoriously corrupt organization that tried to use leaks to convict Smollett in the court of public opinion, can both be true at the same time. The really fun turn was when the DA dropped the first set of charges and Rahm Emanuel, who was essentially voted out due to complicity with police corruption, felt the need to get involved. Name Change fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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I thought this was a pretty good summary of the case:Megillah Gorilla posted:Yeah, if you make the small leap that it was racist cops looking to gently caress someone over during the height of Trump fever, it all falls into place. The CPD are an incredibly corrupt batch of assholes and siding with them anywhere is a bad idea.
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Dec 2, 2021 22:39
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graventy posted:I thought this was a pretty good summary of the case: It is also my guess that the DA dropped the charges the first time around because the PD did not conduct a competent investigation.
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I forgot all the details of the case, but reading that summary I'm going to go ahead and call it that the men who jumped Smollett were known by the CPD to be CPD and the clown car of detectives assigned to the case were to get ahead of any potential case against the CPD, despite Smollett never fingering any police officers in the beating. Somebody knew exactly who the perps were, they were probably cops, and this was done to head off any internal investigation. You know, despite the fact that he never mentioned if they were cops (and likely didn't know). I mean it sounds like an insane conspiracy theory but it's the CPD we're talking about, the guys who basically operate their own CIA-style black sites.
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Is there not a better place to talk about other Hollywood-related crime/acab stuff than the sexual assault thread? I'm not saying it isn't interesting, but one of the reasons it's good to have dedicated spaces to talk through sex assault stories is that it's easy for those stories to get talked over in more general conversation.
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Yeah, and it would've gone fairly unremarked here if a few credulous goons hadn't started jaqing off over the case and acting like the CPD should be taken seriously.
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It's like the Rust set shooting. I'm sorry that lady died, but was this the right place for that particular discussion?
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I think a Black actor claiming to have been attacked in a hate crime (that very possibly related to his sexual orientation) and then being discredited by the media and legal system is a lot closer to the subject matter of this thread than the Alec Baldwin thing. I am totally fine to drop it but I think a lot of what's going on, like the kind of "his story is crazy, he's obviously lying for attention," etc. in this very thread is extremely related to the ways sexual assault cases are discussed. I guess my point is, yeah we can move on, but also I think it is not that bad for a thread to take a moment to push back against misinformation like that.
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I've debated for awhile renaming this thread to better reflect that the content sometimes include just general awfulness out of the industry. Similar to BSS's industry terribleness thread. If the thread would prefer this to be just focused on sexual assault/harassment stories then I'll leave it be and wouldn't mind someone starting up a thread to discuss these other industry stories or direct them to dnd/cspam.
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Yeah, sorry, I only brought up the summary because this thread was starting to do that “maybe it is the victims who are wrong” thing again and it pisses me off.
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graventy posted:I thought this was a pretty good summary of the case: What's the (probably apocryphal) Benjamin Franklin quote? "Rather let a hundred guilty man go free than a single innocent one be imprisoned." Modern justice operates on an inverse of that ratio.
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Skwirl posted:What's the (probably apocryphal) Benjamin Franklin quote? "Rather let a hundred guilty man go free than a single innocent one be imprisoned." Modern justice operates on an inverse of that ratio. The Warhammer 40k view of law. graventy posted:I thought this was a pretty good summary of the case: Thanks for adding this. I last remembered it sounding loving fishy and I had no idea it had turned out this insanely hosed up. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Skwirl posted:What's the (probably apocryphal) Benjamin Franklin quote? "Rather let a hundred guilty man go free than a single innocent one be imprisoned." Modern justice operates on an inverse of that ratio. I mean, that and "also, no matter how obvious their guilt is the rich should NEVER see consequences for their actions."
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MacheteZombie posted:I've debated for awhile renaming this thread to better reflect that the content sometimes include just general awfulness out of the industry. Similar to BSS's industry terribleness thread. I think people should be able to post Smollet and other abuse cases perpetuated by authority figures touching on the entertainment industry. This thread was pretty much a ghosttown before the Smollet news, and personally the posts here have done a great job in educating me on the matter.
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If the mods want to change the focus of the thread to a more general one, I don't really care. I just get salty about squeezing other topics into a thread about sex assault because as someone who's spent 20+ years being annoyingly feminist on the internet, holy poo poo do some people want to consistently change that subject to other things that are also bad.
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deety posted:If the mods want to change the focus of the thread to a more general one, I don't really care. I just get salty about squeezing other topics into a thread about sex assault because as someone who's spent 20+ years being annoyingly feminist on the internet, holy poo poo do some people want to consistently change that subject to other things that are also bad. Salient point.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:why do they even still sell balaclavas? It gets loving cold in Chicago.
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Skwirl posted:It gets loving cold in Chicago. Yep. hosed me up for a second once turning a corner and seeing a huge dude walking toward me in one, until I registered that I probably wasn't going to get mugged in the afternoon by a dude in an orange and blue star ski mask. I usually got by with a scarf wrap and a hoodie, which I guess isn't that different.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:Yep. hosed me up for a second once turning a corner and seeing a huge dude walking toward me in one, until I registered that I probably wasn't going to get mugged in the afternoon by a dude in an orange and blue star ski mask. I usually got by with a scarf wrap and a hoodie, which I guess isn't that different. Lol, what the gently caress? You know balaclavas were invented for warmth, not crime, right?
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packetmantis posted:Lol, what the gently caress? You know balaclavas were invented for warmth, not crime, right? Yeah but how often do you see them used for warmth as opposed to crime, in terms of media? I get having the instantaneous reaction that you then laugh at yourself about.
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