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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





also, nobody ever complains about the champion losing non-title matches during the G1

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Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


I'm fine with non title matches providing:

1) there's a reason (even if it's just "the champ wants to wrestle")
2) there's a reward for winning.

So the justification of "Riho wasn't officially eliminated from the battle royal, so she gets a chance to get a title match as a make good" is perfectly OK with me.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

Lamuella posted:

So the justification of "Riho wasn't officially eliminated from the battle royal, so she gets a chance to get a title match as a make good" is perfectly OK with me.
Yeah, this. She still had to win the match and beat the champion to earn the title shot, so it's not like she got handed an opportunity.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

They suck in WWE because it's shorthand for "you're going to see this exact same match twice". AEW both doesn't make it a foregone conclusion the challenger wins and two matches between the same two wrestlers can be very different thanks to creative freedom in AEW.

Drakkel
May 6, 2007

IT'S LIKE I CAN TOUCH YOU!

Gumball Gumption posted:

They suck in WWE because it's shorthand for "you're going to see this exact same match twice". AEW both doesn't make it a foregone conclusion the challenger wins and two matches between the same two wrestlers can be very different thanks to creative freedom in AEW.

The other thing is that WWE does it in the most unsatisfying way humanly possible. The few times AEW has done "beat the champion to get a title match" matches, at the very least you get a really good match out of it that then builds to an actual big title match, and they at least try to justify it in some way or another. The challenger wins a battle royal, they earned it by doing this or that. In WWE, they'll just do these matches completely at random, unannounced, with no justification whatsoever. Often with challengers who've already lost to the champion numerous times recently. Then they'll win in 30 seconds with a distraction rollup, and then they'll do it again like 2 or 3 more times before the PPV so by the time you get the Real Actual Match you've already seen both the challenger and the champion look big dumb idiot losers multiple times, and then often the Actual Match ends in a dogshit non-finish anyway so it was all for nothing to begin with.

SundayMoney
Feb 21, 2006

The face of the new economy

harperdc posted:

So that Danielson-Omega match at Grand Slam was bad booking?

I think the reflex to “challenger pins champ in non-title match for title shot” is influenced by WWE using that booking on an almost monthly basis and running it into the ground. I get it, but also think AEW does a much better job with similar situations.


I'll admit part of it is WWE booking and I'll know my opinion is just my opinion, but it should be an event when your belt holder steps in the ring 1v1. In kayfabe thinking, why should someone wrestle a champ if it's not for the belt? I am not going to go against someone that is the very best if not for the reasons they are the best which in this case is the belt.

Who cares if the belt holder wrestles a non title 1v1 match, there isn't any consequence to losing. With all that said, it was an amazing match and who wouldn't want to watch two legends wrestle?

TheKingslayer
Sep 3, 2008

sticklefifer posted:

Yeah, this. She still had to win the match and beat the champion to earn the title shot, so it's not like she got handed an opportunity.

You're telling me it's not amazing when Goldberg just walks out and says he gets a title shot?

Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007



of course it is, because everything Goldberg does is amazing

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
Tegan and Shotzi pinned the tag champs like 4 times in 3 months, never got a title match, and one of them got fired

This is the bar we're dealing with when it comes to champions wrestling non-title matches

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

TheKingslayer posted:

You're telling me it's not amazing when Goldberg just walks out and says he gets a title shot?

This but Cena doing it for a dozen years.

Vertical Lime
Dec 11, 2004

https://twitter.com/38_skxlarrr/status/1466203118127964165

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

sticklefifer posted:

This but Cena doing it for a dozen years.

Given as much of a draw that Cena is right now compared to everyone else in the business, even in the worked world of wrestling the companies should be throwing the title at him in hopes he maybe stays around and defends it.

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

Let's go!

https://twitter.com/MrJacobCohen/status/1466853084584423428?s=20

fallin1
May 14, 2007

...mostly MSG.
The bigger story there.

https://twitter.com/MrJacobCohen/status/1466857494467293185?s=20

blunt
Jul 7, 2005

https://twitter.com/MrJacobCohen/status/1466840306771451912

Dark got sponsored, just like a real tv show!

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

https://twitter.com/MrJacobCohen/status/1466879657521864711

DeathChicken
Jul 9, 2012

Nonsense. I have not yet begun to defile myself.

Wow, I guess Mei can legally wrestle in America after all

Jiro
Jan 13, 2004

blunt posted:

https://twitter.com/MrJacobCohen/status/1466840306771451912

Dark got sponsored, just like a real tv show!

I was hoping for G-Fuel and Raycon earbuds

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Price.com also sponsored a bit of the last Dark taping and it was funny hearing Excalibur go through the entire ad spiel in like a minute at the start of a match, other podcasts hosts should take note at the pace he cut

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


If AEW Dark just keeps booking matches straight outta Ichigaya I might start watching.

(Though Aniki is probably going back to Japan before too long because she's got a SEAd booking later this month, I forget when exactly)

TV Zombie
Sep 6, 2011

Burying all the trauma from past nights
Burying my anger in the past

I genuinely thought Aniki was back in Japan already

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

If AEW Dark just keeps booking matches straight outta Ichigaya I might start watching.

(Though Aniki is probably going back to Japan before too long because she's got a SEAd booking later this month, I forget when exactly)

I think on the 29th.

Testekill
Nov 1, 2012

I demand to be taken seriously

:aronrex:

https://twitter.com/Ozzilla22/status/1466957878766436353


newLegacyInc's Dino Winwood aka Howdy Price was on Dark, I don't know if he was managing 10's opponent or was 10's opponent.

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Testekill posted:

https://twitter.com/Ozzilla22/status/1466957878766436353


newLegacyInc's Dino Winwood aka Howdy Price was on Dark, I don't know if he was managing 10's opponent or was 10's opponent.
It's crazy how NewLegacyInc started out as basically doing Retsupurae of bad CAW leagues and kids wrestling each other to where they are now

Strawberry Panda
Nov 4, 2007

Breakfast Defecting, Slow Dick Touching, Root Beer Barreling SwagVP

Testekill posted:

https://twitter.com/Ozzilla22/status/1466957878766436353


newLegacyInc's Dino Winwood aka Howdy Price was on Dark, I don't know if he was managing 10's opponent or was 10's opponent.

I've heard this match is amazing and everyone should watch it.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


https://twitter.com/RobViper/status/1467683878630420480?t=fWVIjEWnazyZobMUctzclw&s=19

Match to keep your eyes open for when it airs

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



https://twitter.com/AEWEnhance/status/1468760396010074118?s=20

Prince Nana!!

https://twitter.com/PrinceKingNana/status/1468741110143098881?s=20

Davros1 fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Dec 9, 2021

bebaloorpabopalo
Nov 23, 2005

I'm not interested in constructive criticism, believe me.
https://twitter.com/fujoshi_hashi/status/1468791043386744834

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
https://twitter.com/toshanshuinLA/status/1468791613828837380
https://twitter.com/toshanshuinLA/status/1468791861439516676

Can't wait

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

They loving licensed Action Bronson for Hook, I can't believe it.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/abigailwrites/status/1468793086679658503

Seams
Feb 3, 2005

ROCK HARD
I’m happy Massive Mark’s catchphrase is so over

BodyMassageMachine
Nov 24, 2006

:yeah:
:yeah:
:yeah:

Pylons posted:

They loving licensed Action Bronson for Hook, I can't believe it.

:allears: Glad this hangout from a few weeks back is paying off:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CU-_ljSAchK/?utm_medium=share_sheet

Send HOOK BRONSON

Jiro
Jan 13, 2004


Hook lookin like my man, Joe Higashi.

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

Jiro posted:

Hook lookin like my man, Joe Higashi.



This really is the thing that makes Hook so HOOK. Dude just had a naturally perfect wrestler look.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Seams posted:

I’m happy Massive Mark’s catchphrase is so over

It always makes me think of those pre-title match cutscenes from the Technos WWF arcade games where the Mega Bucks or LOD would cut a promo.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

Jay White called out Adam Cole at the end of the Strong taping.

Strawberry Panda
Nov 4, 2007

Breakfast Defecting, Slow Dick Touching, Root Beer Barreling SwagVP

GEORGE W BUSHI posted:

Jay White called out Adam Cole at the end of the Strong taping.

Curious. My brother was there an he said Jay White just said an AEW wrestler, to which some in the crowd responded "Send in Hook!"

NVM brother said White said this is my new era, baby. Which hints at it being Cole.

Strawberry Panda fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Dec 10, 2021

the escape goat
Apr 16, 2008

Does Rampage start with HOOK? I need to know when to tune in so I don’t piss off the person I work with who hates wrestling but I refuse to miss HOOK

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Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

If it airs as it taped I believe it should be the tag title match and the women's trios before HOOK.

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