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gohuskies posted:Make it (clap) cheaper (clap) for people (clap) to give themselves (clap) lung cancer (clap)! poo poo or get off the pot
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brugroffil posted:why are some people so obsessed with eating at restaurants restaurants, they're good
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StrangersInTheNight posted:There can be nuances, where it's not just hermiting or saying 'gently caress it I'll just get COVID anyway'. You can live a fairly quiet life and still go out and do things. I still go out, but I consider the risks and who will be there/how many people/if they're vaxxed or will at least wear masks before deciding to go to a certain event or place. I think the thing with precautions that at this point, especially in the US, it makes sense to think about your response to COVID in terms of protecting your own health (and the people you're immediately interacting with), because nothing you personally do is going to have a measurable impact on eliminating or even reducing COVID in your area. I wish that it were the case that if we all just decided we're going to be responsible and take precautions it would happen, but there's enough people who are diametrically opposed to their lives being impacted in any way to protect someone else that elimination by individual action is a pipe dream. enki42 fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Dec 7, 2021 |
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brugroffil posted:why are some people so obsessed with eating at restaurants capitalism brainwashed them and now they think going out and spending money is the meaning of life
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It's two weeks until I see my parents for Christmas so I'll hermit until then, but gently caress it, once I'm back I'll probably be able to get my booster right away, and I can't do this anymore when I'm basically the only person i know in my area who's bothering (it was a lot easier when it felt like there was some solidarity), so going out without just throwing all caution to the wind is on the cards I guess. I'm still angry about how completely and utterly we've hosed it, but at this point it's become a dull resentment of the entire society I'm cursed to live in, which is how I felt about my country anyway so what's even new there?
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i'm guilty of enjoying the luxury of someone else cooking and cleaning for me at a modest cost, often with a better result than i could reasonably whip up at home takeout is fine for a lot of things, but there are a few places i really miss that don't do it
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enki42 posted:I think the thing with going outside is that at this point, especially in the US, it makes sense to think about your response to COVID in terms of protecting your own health (and the people you're immediately interacting with), because nothing you personally do is going to have a measurable impact on eliminating or even reducing COVID in your area. and this is why i bought a respirator, so I can get through the Florida plaguelands safely, because lmao DeSantis is never fixing anything
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brugroffil posted:why are some people so obsessed with eating at restaurants You really don't understand why people might like to eat competently made food of varying kinds they may not be able to make themselves or be able to have a dinner with more than one or two other people because their apartment is so small? Takeout works sure but it's not a complete substitute because it's often soggy or cold by the time you get it home or it's packaged weirdly something.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:You really don't understand why people might like to eat competently made food of varying kinds they may not be able to make themselves or be able to have a dinner with more than one or two other people because their apartment is so small? Restaurants are good but some people seem to have pretty big meltdowns if they can't go to them constantly. Not itt but the whole "I NEED MY INDOOR DINING!!!" has been an undercurrent since "lockdowns" began 20 months ago.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:You really don't understand why people might like to eat competently made food of varying kinds they may not be able to make themselves or be able to have a dinner with more than one or two other people because their apartment is so small? Sure, but is the difference between take out and dine-in worth risking your life over?
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Got the moderna booster yesterday after my initial 2 doses of moderna. The booster hasn't been as bad to my reaction to the second dose, but I also made sure to drink a ton of water and ate bland food all day. I got it early evening and was able to sleep with no issues last night, but experiencing headache and starting to get some general bodyache as the day goes on today.
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ChairmanMauzer posted:Sure, but is the difference between take out and dine-in worth risking your life over? Lots of people aren't fully aware of their own mortality.
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ChairmanMauzer posted:Sure, but is the difference between take out and dine-in worth risking your life over? Depends on the restaurant.
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ChairmanMauzer posted:Sure, but is the difference between take out and dine-in worth risking your life over? This just gets into circular arguments about relative risk. Depending on where you live, what restrictions are in place, etc, "risking your life" might mean an absolutely minuscule risk. If I wasn't immunocompromised, I would have been relatively comfortable eating indoors in the summer in Ontario, where vaccination was required to eat indoors and cases were 10-15 per 100K every 7 days. If I was in Florida that would have been a completely different story. enki42 fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Dec 7, 2021 |
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Dec 7, 2021 18:56
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gohuskies posted:Make it (clap) cheaper (clap) for people (clap) to give themselves (clap) lung cancer (clap)! The irony is that smokers and ex-smokers of tobacco and weed in general catch covid less. Two reasons; first they have more of an awareness of how smoke spreads outwards and their brains make the automatic connection between that and a virus spreading, and second because non-smokers keep more than 2m away from them.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:There can be nuances, where it's not just hermiting or saying 'gently caress it I'll just get COVID anyway'. You can live a fairly quiet life and still go out and do things. I still go out, but I consider the risks and who will be there/how many people/if they're vaxxed or will at least wear masks before deciding to go to a certain event or place. All of this and may I add that what’s at the end of the tunnel is quite the opposite of the light, it’s natural selection.
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ChairmanMauzer posted:Sure, but is the difference between take out and dine-in worth risking your life over? Honestly don’t think most vaxxed people consider eating out as a “risking your life” behavior at this point.
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smackfu posted:Honestly don’t think most vaxxed people consider eating out as a “risking your life” behavior at this point. have you seen how much sodium is in your chipotle meal?
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I'm not looking forward to a five hour flight to the west coast in a couple of weeks I booked this before omicron and I'm tripled vaxxed and my parents are too but still man Seth Pecksniff fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Dec 7, 2021 |
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Dren posted:All of this and may I add that what’s at the end of the tunnel is quite the opposite of the light, it’s natural selection. things may look bleak now, but covid won't seem so bad when 2022 rolls around and russia attempts to annex ukraine at the same time china makes a play for taiwan, and you STILL can't find a gpu for the pc in your hastily dug backyard bunker
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Capitalism and advertisement brainwashing has minimized the risk of bad food to the general public and that's just a thing you can't really blame people for especially when capitalism means the time for cooking a meal from scratch just isnt there for a lot of people you are explained what vaccinations and a hanky are for by the school nurse when you are 5 so no excuses there
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Bad Purchase posted:things may look bleak now, but covid won't seem so bad when 2022 rolls around and russia attempts to annex ukraine at the same time china makes a play for taiwan, and you STILL can't find a gpu for the pc in your hastily dug backyard bunker for real, there is a company selling via amazon in europe and America (cyberpower here) who are sticking decent GPUs in at a normal price as to not rip people off. What people have been doing is swapping the great GPU for an OK one and then ebaying the cyberpower PC.
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WhiteHowler posted:3. The choice going forward is to continue living like a hermit, or just accept that you're going to eventually catch COVID.
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Anne Whateley posted:One of the issues with this is that you aren't limited to catching covid only once, like chicken pox. You can catch it repeatedly (even vaxed), and repeat infections are more severe. Also, each time you can pick up fun new side effects that may or may not be permanent and severely affect quality of life, even though they aren't immediately fatal. And while you can catch it multiple times, it does take time for immunity to wane.
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dwarf74 posted:I'm not sure the "later infections are more severe" has been at all well-established, no? Kiiiind of. If you were hospitalised with covid and have swiss cheese lungs then catch it again you are, in medical terms "utterly buggered", but if you get mild case after mild case then it's going to be the same as catching virus after virus in that you will become run down and more likely to catch another virus. It's a strong argument for mask mandates every cold and flu season
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brugroffil posted:Restaurants are good but some people seem to have pretty big meltdowns if they can't go to them constantly. Not itt but the whole "I NEED MY INDOOR DINING!!!" has been an undercurrent since "lockdowns" began 20 months ago. The sense I get here is the worry is less specifically restaurants and more if restaurants close then things are bad enough that it's back to November 2020 and another seven months of lockdown and not seeing friends or family until May or June. Like we had pretty good compliance here in Ontario last time. Not perfect, but it was seven months where the only things open were stores with curbside and grocery stores/pharmacies at reduced capacity. There was a stay at home order in effect and people generally did follow it. It sure as hell feels like a lockdown when you don't see your friends or family in person for half the year and in practice you can't do anything but go for a walk and buy groceries because nothing else is open and gatherings outside your household aren't allowed unless you live alone. They'll probably need to reintroduce some restrictions. Tightening capacity limits would be a good start. However I don't think there's any public or political will to do November 2020 again and all the rage I know is 100% directed at the antivaxxers for loving this all up because we probably had a real chance to drop this thing to almost nothing in the late summer before any waning if we'd actually had an almost 100% adult vax rate then given the case counts between the vaxxed and unvaxxed.
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Crackbone posted:How long will it be before we get a statistically meaningful overview of Omicron's severity (ie how bad does it gently caress people up)? cases take 3-4 weeks to resolve (i.e., for someone to finally croak if they're gonna) and you need thousands of tracked cases across a good demographic set. maybe some of that can be dug up from historical cases, but most likely it's going to be a month of data collection and then another couple weeks of analysis and review for preliminary findings that are worth anything. the timer starts this week -- or maybe last week in some places. so probably not till january.
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Looks like my brother didn't get off scott free from his little covid adventure; now in hospital and on a drip due to dehydration plus he's got diverticulitis. Hope he doesn't get long covid out of all this. On a saner topic; which zombie movie would best encapsulate the utter stupidity of humanity during a pandemic? I was thinking 'Shaun of the dead' myself.
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dwarf74 posted:I'm not sure the "later infections are more severe" has been at all well-established, no? I thought there was also a much bigger Kaiser study, but not seeing it now. Anecdotally, I've had a bunch of friends (vaxed bartenders/etc. in NYC) catch it multiple times, anywhere from like 6 weeks to a few months apart. Seems like something you definitely don't want to do if you can avoid it. Anne Whateley fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Dec 7, 2021 |
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Extra row of tits posted:There would be no other feasible way to tax this. Also, it means the people that are least able to afford it will use less of it. Tax the poo poo out of alcohol and tobacco advertising. Limit where it can be advertised and displayed. That wouldn't be a regressive approach to vice taxes, and actually used to be a thing to at least some extent. In the US not that long ago they banned cigarette ads and hard alcohol ads from TV, although beer and wine were allowed to run rampant. Start treating alcohol and tobacco like porn - hide it away behind counters and in separate sections of stores, and impose a surcharge on advertising it. Make it painful to sell instead of trying to make it painful to buy.
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We have that, the tobacco is hidden in the cabinet of shame with pictures of dead people on the plain SMOKING KILLS black boxes and if you want to know what they've got you get handed a clipboard and taken to one side.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Tax the poo poo out of alcohol and tobacco advertising. Limit where it can be advertised and displayed. That wouldn't be a regressive approach to vice taxes, and actually used to be a thing to at least some extent. That's how it's been done here in Iceland. The state runs the only retail booze franchise, you're not allowed to advertise alcohol or tobacco products and tobacco has to be out of sight in stores and only sold by the counter by people over 18. There's also a tax on alcoholic drinks that scales with ABV, so a 750ml of vodka is like 50 bucks There was a huuuuge underage drinking problem a some decades ago, as in 8th graders getting drunk off their asses, but it's been much improved. Funnily enough the retailer's association and the Independence Party (neoliberals who also happen to be the largest party in the country and have been in almost every government since 1944) have been agitating for years now to make alcohol available in grocery stores, so all that progress might get undone anyways thanks to capital 
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WhiteHowler posted:3. The choice going forward is to continue living like a hermit, or just accept that you're going to eventually catch COVID. That's not an acceptable choice though, compared to living like a hermit. Even a mild case of covid will shear years off your life and potentially leave you with life long disabilities. It's not something any sensible person should roll the dice on if they have any other option at all. As for your personal efforts. You shouldn't be looking at as "somehow things are worse than ever" you should be looking at like "and I successfully avoided getting sick." Continue to live like a hermit because I promise you'll wish you did if you get a bad case of covid.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Even a mild case of covid will shear years off your life Without the world's largest "potentially" this is a pretty massive exaggeration I think. If you are vaccinated and appropriately boosted your average case won't result in any detectable long term damage and might even be asymptomatic. Long COVID exists, but the most pessimisitic studies out there show an incidence of maybe 30% across both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, so that's your absolute upper bound (and long COVID itself doesn't imply a reduction in lifespan or even lifelong symptoms, just 'has symptoms after infection') Hell, even saying that getting COVID while unvaccinated will shear years off your life isn't close to supported.
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enki42 posted:Without the world's largest "potentially" this is a pretty massive exaggeration I think. If you are vaccinated and appropriately boosted your average case won't result in any detectable long term damage and might even be asymptomatic. Long COVID exists, but the most pessimisitic studies out there show an incidence of maybe 30% across both vaccinated and unvaccinated people, so that's your absolute upper bound (and long COVID itself doesn't imply a reduction in lifespan or even lifelong symptoms, just 'has symptoms after infection')  You are correct that the other post is saying unproven things as facts but then you turn around and do the same. The difference of course is that your suggestion is the riskier one.
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Yeah sorry I should have said "could shear.." instead of "will". My point remains the risk is there and it's not worth rolling the dice on, imo.
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While yes, I don't have absolute proof that an asymptomatic and / or mild COVID case that is completely clear from symptoms in a few weeks didn't secretly reduce their life expectancy by 5 years, it seems reasonable enough to say that a virus that didn't have severe symptoms, was short, and didn't have any lasting symptoms more than likely did not have any significant long-term effects.
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