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Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



Spezza actually gets 6 games. One more than I thought he'd get, still reasonable.

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fisting by many
Dec 25, 2009



DJExile posted:

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1468393187647578118

Zegras just did a filthy thing and I love it

:aaaaa: That is awesome

clean ayers act
Aug 13, 2007

How do I shot puck!?

DJExile posted:

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1468393187647578118

Zegras just did a filthy thing and I love it

Datsyuk used to try this but never pulled it off. drat

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


https://twitter.com/NHLGIFs/status/1468395548738793477

lmao he can't believe it worked

deoju
Jul 11, 2004

All the pieces matter.
Nap Ghost

I'm the pleated jeans.

DJExile posted:

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1468393187647578118

Zegras just did a filthy thing and I love it

:eyepop:

mennoknight
Nov 24, 2003

I WILL JUST EAT ONE MORE SANDWICH
OH MY HEAD EXPLORDED I'M JAY FATSTER
that Zegras move was my standard ball hockey trick play too, you could just chip it over the goalie to an open dude in front if you were good as hell like me

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

DJExile posted:

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1468393187647578118

Zegras just did a filthy thing and I love it

In a year of some pretty goals, this is my favourite so far.

stab
Feb 12, 2003

To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high
Dont give a poo poo this is news to me.


My boys

https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/1468395985814577152?t=yPOHDKB47SVjLLFOKiMgsw&s=19

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




What did Spezza do

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

What did Spezza do

Retaliatory knee to the head.

https://twitter.com/marnylandersen/status/1468398927196168200?s=20

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

rex rabidorum vires posted:

Having only watched a few Seattle games and having extremely vague recollection of Hakstol Flyers I have a theory that Hakstol's defensive system positions players extremely poorly when they are 'in position' and as Jhet very nicely pointed out this system can be pulled apart fairly easily which leads to 'poor positioning panic' ending in both an inordinate amount of bounces going in, free players to slam home a rebound off of anything and everything, or just old fashioned forcing the goalie to try and make heroic post to post save...oh it went 5 hole. Which, if upon further review, is true... would be actually really neat for some how organizing and creating 'bad luck'.

I have the poor fortune of watching the Gophers try to do this to North Dakota for too many years. It would depend which size ice they played on. I haven't watched the Kraken as much as I'd like because trying to get around blackouts is more than I care to do, but when I have watched them, they've been mostly consistent with that. You can kind of spin them around the zone like a merry-go-round and eventually someone will miss an assignment or switch and the space will open up. Granted, you have to be sharp enough with your passing and cycle, but plenty of teams are good at this part.

This does jive with them being good at low and medium danger chances and just bad at stopping high danger chances. When they breakdown, they leave big openings that NHL caliber players will be happy to exploit.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Yeah the Flyers at their 'best' under Hakstol would limit overall volume of shots but be awful at giving poo poo up in close. It's a relic of old college days and as good as NHL players can pass the puck it can be really easily exploited.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

rex rabidorum vires posted:

Having only watched a few Seattle games and having extremely vague recollection of Hakstol Flyers I have a theory that Hakstol's defensive system positions players extremely poorly when they are 'in position' and as Jhet very nicely pointed out this system can be pulled apart fairly easily which leads to 'poor positioning panic' ending in both an inordinate amount of bounces going in, free players to slam home a rebound off of anything and everything, or just old fashioned forcing the goalie to try and make heroic post to post save...oh it went 5 hole. Which, if upon further review, is true... would be actually really neat for some how organizing and creating 'bad luck'.

What's it like to be that wrong?

Check the spreadsheets again you loving "watch the games" luddite, the stats are very very clear on this. Seattle is great at defense and the goalies are letting them down. It is not possible that the fancystats can be misled, as you know. Hockey is solved.

e: turning off sarcasm mode, it actually reminds me a bit of the Mike Johnston Penguins in that they always seemed to look OK in the stats but the finishing was comically bad across the board. Which if you actually watched the games made perfect sense since in Johnston's System you weren't allowed to ever carry the puck more than 5 feet from the boards and the only approved shot was the extremely tight angle shot from out past the faceoff dot and almost on the goal line.

Holy poo poo, it's almost like rigid systems that work in college/youth hockey are easily broken down by players with NHL level skill or something

Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Dec 8, 2021

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

NHL.com says 6 games for Spezza, not 12.

(Listening to the 'defensive' arguments from the Leafs, it should have been 12).

ImplicitAssembler fucked around with this message at 03:25 on Dec 8, 2021

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

I spent the first two periods of the Columbus game rebuilding my city in Workers and Resources: Soviet Republic after an unfortunate set of autosaves erased my progress, which saves me from being too pissed off about the game, but having "20 shots blocked on top of 30 on net" doesn't erase details like "two goals in seven seconds against".

WeaponX
Jul 28, 2008



The New York Rangers have the best points percentage in the league and Ryan Reaves has two multi point games.

Pay no attention to the fact that they will probably lose terribly to Colorado tomorrow.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

WeaponX posted:

The New York Rangers have the best points percentage in the league and Ryan Reaves has two multi point games.

Pay no attention to the fact that they will probably lose terribly to Colorado tomorrow.

You know what? they might but I still think about that game vs Florida.

Breadman got 4 points tonight. He’s back baby.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1468408703099547648

That's the most rear end one-goal loss final score I've ever seen out of a team. Did the Leafs quit skating or did the CBJ genuinely outplay them (30 SOG when I turned it off with, funnily enough, about 10 seconds left, with 20 blocked shots) or what?

e- At least they're finally getting some goals with <5 seconds to go in a period to go THEIR way for a change, right? :shepicide:

CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Dec 8, 2021

WeaponX
Jul 28, 2008



Matt Zerella posted:

You know what? they might but I still think about that game vs Florida.

Breadman got 4 points tonight. He’s back baby.

Oh for sure, I’m done actually trying to predict things with this team. I’m just not at all confident in a back to back with Georgiev as essentially the only option.

Panarin has looked so much better than at the beginning of the season. He has been dominant. But again, who needs him when you have Ryan “Hands of Gold” Reaves?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

WeaponX posted:

Oh for sure, I’m done actually trying to predict things with this team. I’m just not at all confident in a back to back with Georgiev as essentially the only option.

Panarin has looked so much better than at the beginning of the season. He has been dominant. But again, who needs him when you have Ryan “Hands of Gold” Reaves?

Levitate pointing out it was a (wildly) missed pass to Goodrow makes me love it even more :lol:

AsInHowe
Jan 11, 2007

red winged angel

This is big news

T.C.
Feb 10, 2004

Believe.

His history of clean play demonstrates that he is not trying to do the hilariously dangerous and illegal thing. He is trying to cleanly do the very dangerous and illegal thing.

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Twitter took me down a hockey rabbit hole just now:

This Tweet about Craig Button comparing Kent Johnson's game to Trevor Zegras led me to seeing his insane assist:
https://twitter.com/DylanTyrer/status/1468428539963785221

...which led me to see that Sonny Milano scored the goal:
https://twitter.com/cachalfan/status/1468414874048991233

...which led me to HockeyDB, where Milano has a stat line of 22GP 8-12-20:
https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?filter=Y&pid=160599

...and then I looked up at the top of his HockeyDB page and saw:


SoCal is a hell of a drug?

Mike Works
Feb 26, 2003
That's all well and good, but remember when Jim Benning got fired?

Koopa Kid
Aug 21, 2007



CBJSprague24 posted:

https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1468408703099547648

That's the most rear end one-goal loss final score I've ever seen out of a team. Did the Leafs quit skating or did the CBJ genuinely outplay them (30 SOG when I turned it off with, funnily enough, about 10 seconds left, with 20 blocked shots) or what?

e- At least they're finally getting some goals with <5 seconds to go in a period to go THEIR way for a change, right? :shepicide:

Leafs absolutely stopped skating once the game was in hand, when Domi scored you could see all the Leafs surprised they were still playing

DO YALL WANT A BOXC
Jul 20, 2010

HAHA! WOOOOOOO WOOO!
Fun Shoe
trouba absolutely hosed up Jujhar Khaira today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX3LzKY0TlE

you can't really do that type of hit anymore. should probably be a suspension. one of the worst ones of those I've seen since Phaneuf/Sauer or Campbell-Umberger

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

trouba absolutely hosed up Jujhar Khaira today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX3LzKY0TlE

you can't really do that type of hit anymore. should probably be a suspension. one of the worst ones of those I've seen since Phaneuf/Sauer or Campbell-Umberger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3I69B00tC0
Slowmo replay is bad. He's out before he hits the ice.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

What is this? Stupid hits week?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiejy8SuAKo

QuasiQuack
Jun 13, 2010

Ducks hockey baybee
I love Zegras and Milano so loving much <3

morningdrew
Jul 18, 2003

It's toe-tapping-ly tragic!

Zegras was pretty funny in his post game interview too, pretty refreshing to see a guy not "uh, obviously" his way through it

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it


Yes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3pbpG6OMRE

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

trouba absolutely hosed up Jujhar Khaira today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX3LzKY0TlE

you can't really do that type of hit anymore. should probably be a suspension. one of the worst ones of those I've seen since Phaneuf/Sauer or Campbell-Umberger

it's pretty textbook clean in execution, just...not right into a guys head

One of those I don't know if he'll be suspended or not because of how the NHL dithers about hits

e: all that said about the hit, I did take a dirty pleasure in Trouba loving up the guy who tried to fight him later

Levitate fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Dec 8, 2021

Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

Khaira had a bunch of concussions with the Oilers and should probably think about retiring.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

Mike Works posted:

That's all well and good, but remember when Jim Benning got fired?

:unsmith:

th3t00t
Aug 14, 2007

GOOD CLEAN FOOTBALL

DJExile posted:

https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1468393187647578118

Zegras just did a filthy thing and I love it
As a Sabres fan this looks like a high stick, but rule of cool prevails. Is it really even a highlight if it happens against the Sabres?

After starting the season 5-1-1 the Sabres have won 3 games in their last 18. And if not for the incredible ineptitude of teams like the Habs and 'Yotes I'd say they'd have 32nd place locked up by the end of December. Not sure what's going on with Ottawa or NYI, but I don't expect them to remain as bad as they've been so far.

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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Jhet posted:

This does jive with them being good at low and medium danger chances and just bad at stopping high danger chances. When they breakdown, they leave big openings that NHL caliber players will be happy to exploit.

DJExile posted:

Yeah the Flyers at their 'best' under Hakstol would limit overall volume of shots but be awful at giving poo poo up in close. It's a relic of old college days and as good as NHL players can pass the puck it can be really easily exploited.

Both of these points gave me something a bit different to look at on the spreadsheet and highlights.

Eric the Mauve posted:

Holy poo poo, it's almost like rigid systems that work in college/youth hockey are easily broken down by players with NHL level skill or something

Also good food for thought. Slapping my own comparison sheet thing together and we're going to take a look at my 3rd favorite hockey the post about.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

th3t00t posted:

As a Sabres fan this looks like a high stick, but rule of cool prevails. Is it really even a highlight if it happens against the Sabres?

After starting the season 5-1-1 the Sabres have won 3 games in their last 18. And if not for the incredible ineptitude of teams like the Habs and 'Yotes I'd say they'd have 32nd place locked up by the end of December. Not sure what's going on with Ottawa or NYI, but I don't expect them to remain as bad as they've been so far.

Since he's not the immediate goal scorer, his line for high stick is his shoulder not the crossbar.

But even so it looks well below the crossbar to me.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


https://twitter.com/tzegras11/status/1468437564482678786

th3t00t
Aug 14, 2007

GOOD CLEAN FOOTBALL

Aphrodite posted:

Since he's not the immediate goal scorer, his line for high stick is his shoulder not the crossbar.

But even so it looks well below the crossbar to me.
The pass from Zegras looks 100% legal, but the shot from Milano? Not as much. The blade of his stick is clearly over his shoulder and maybe over the crossbar.

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Zat
Jan 16, 2008

th3t00t posted:

The pass from Zegras looks 100% legal, but the shot from Milano? Not as much. The blade of his stick is clearly over his shoulder and maybe over the crossbar.

I'm inclined to agree. I just took a look at the replays and I think this was the clearest angle I could find of the contact:



That's more likely to be above the bar than not, but I'm happy it counted anyway.

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