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Does Bettman have a personal stake in the Coyotes? Why is he so invested in Arizona
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Dec 10, 2021 19:22
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Jhet posted:Oh, I’m not saying that it doesn’t suck. Just don’t blame the people who are actually working hard to see those things. As far as NHL officials go, the assistants do their job with great accuracy for the crap angles they see. Unlike slashing, offside is a binary state and they get them correct an awesome number of times. The change to it being a plane on the blue line really helps with worrying about toes being on the ice, but now if you’re in early or out late it just is or isn’t. That’s the rule and it doesn’t matter if it’s an inch or three strides. Also the alternative to not calling strict offside means giving officials a judgement call on whether something is offsides enough to matter. Do you let it go if it’s an inch offside? What about 3? 5? Which seems like a system that will lead to infinitely more controversial calls.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:24
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Does Bettman have a personal stake in the Coyotes? Why is he so invested in Arizona Hubris.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:29
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Does Bettman have a personal stake in the Coyotes? Why is he so invested in Arizona Pride
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Dec 10, 2021 19:31
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pseudodragon posted:Also the alternative to not calling strict offside means giving officials a judgement call on whether something is offsides enough to matter. Do you let it go if it’s an inch offside? What about 3? 5? Which seems like a system that will lead to infinitely more controversial calls. They could do what the Prem and Euro footy leagues do and let everything 'close' go then VAR it after a goal is scored. (Please don't freaking do this). That said my dumb idiot team won a cup on the back of some extremely marginal offsides calls going their way.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:32
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Evergreen post but hahahaha Bettman is a loving moron
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Dec 10, 2021 19:37
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Honestly anyone can do a better job than Bettman, but who would you personally pick to replace him? (Also reportedly the only reason Arizona will not go to QC is because the league does not want to deal with Pierre-Karl Peladeau)
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Dec 10, 2021 19:42
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Does Bettman have a personal stake in the Coyotes? Why is he so invested in Arizona Snowbirds.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:45
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To give up on Arizona would be to admit that he was extremely wrong on a subject he's now spent 25 years digging in harder and harder on. He's the goon in a well.
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Dec 10, 2021 19:56
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Bettman does a good job. His job is to make the owners money and he's done just fine with that. That's not what we want out of a commissioner but that is most certainly what the owners want out of one.
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Dec 10, 2021 20:00
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pseudodragon posted:Also the alternative to not calling strict offside means giving officials a judgement call on whether something is offsides enough to matter. Do you let it go if it’s an inch offside? What about 3? 5? Which seems like a system that will lead to infinitely more controversial calls. I'd argue that they just call what they see for offsides as true to the rule as possible. It's normally fairly rare that they get one wrong that even matters, and I'd bet that they get over 95% of them right when it doesn't matter too. The assistants aren't having an opinion so much as trying to quickly parse the information their eyes give them. They do the same with icing and they really don't get too many wrong. The referees are trying to have opinions on penalties and that doesn't work so well. You don't want offside to be subjective, because then we'd end up arguing about it constantly like you suggest. I will happily argue about the referee's subjective penalty calling being dogshit, but man do the assistants do a great job almost every night. xzzy posted:Snowbirds. They're home away from home games for Minnesota fans.
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Dec 10, 2021 20:08
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Ginette Reno posted:Bettman does a good job. His job is to make the owners money and he's done just fine with that. That's not what we want out of a commissioner but that is most certainly what the owners want out of one. Yeah this is true but he is unquestionably super irrational about Arizona, which his employers apparently tolerate because he makes enough money for them.
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Dec 10, 2021 20:11
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Good soup! posted:Evergreen post but hahahaha Bettman is a loving moron
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Dec 10, 2021 20:16
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Eric the Mauve posted:Yeah this is true but he is unquestionably super irrational about Arizona, which his employers apparently tolerate because he makes enough money for them. From their perspective it's probably comforting to know that he'll go to the ends of the Earth to defend a team that is poorly run.
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Dec 10, 2021 20:16
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Ginette Reno posted:Bettman does a good job. His job is to make the owners money and he's done just fine with that. That's not what we want out of a commissioner but that is most certainly what the owners want out of one. Does Arizona actually make money though?
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Dec 10, 2021 20:19
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No Coyotes no Auston Matthews the franchise was worth it
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Dec 10, 2021 20:20
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Does Arizona actually make money though? They barely spend anything on players and they short Glendale on money owed so probably lol
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Dec 10, 2021 20:21
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Ginette Reno posted:From their perspective it's probably comforting to know that he'll go to the ends of the Earth to defend a team that is poorly run. Tell that to the four Thrashers fans though
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Dec 10, 2021 20:39
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Troy Queef posted:Honestly anyone can do a better job than Bettman, but who would you personally pick to replace him? Gary Bettman? The guy in the NHL hall of fame?
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Dec 10, 2021 21:20
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Athletic saying Canucks have officially fired Jonathan Wall (Sr. Director Hockey Ops) and assistant GM Chris Gear. EDIT: fun fact! https://twitter.com/Sportsnet/status/1469381826942750722 DJExile fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Dec 10, 2021 |
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Dec 10, 2021 21:24
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DJExile posted:Athletic saying Canucks have officially fired Jonathan Wall (Sr. Director Hockey Ops) and assistant GM Chris Gear. Quite the fall from grace for Gear. He was initially reported as being the interim GM when Benning was fired before Smyl was announced.
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Dec 10, 2021 21:50
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https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1469413455350349826
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Dec 10, 2021 22:14
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i believe the desire to stay in AZ has something to do with the weird way markets work for advertising. IIRC Houston counted under Dallas for a lot of ad stuff but Arizona is its own thing. not sure if that's true or still true or all hogwash
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Dec 10, 2021 22:50
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I believe Phoenix being the 4th or 5th largest TV market is a factor for Bettman.
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Dec 10, 2021 22:56
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Shame people there don't care about ice hockey and never will.
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Dec 10, 2021 23:26
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https://twitter.com/MDuganWLOX/status/1469422876537282561?t=ZfVWv4xPhhkzQTb2EpHHyQ&s=19 I want this jersey
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Dec 10, 2021 23:46
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Eric the Mauve posted:Shame people there don't care about ice hockey and never will. Part of me wonders how much of it has to do with his poor the team has been during their entire tenure. Plus, never having a superstar.
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Dec 11, 2021 00:03
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shyduck posted:https://twitter.com/MDuganWLOX/status/1469422876537282561?t=ZfVWv4xPhhkzQTb2EpHHyQ&s=19 The opposing team should wear ones with massive lions on. Reignite the old rivalry.
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Dec 11, 2021 00:04
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How do you say who your sources are inside an organisation without saying who your sources are? https://mobile.twitter.com/imacSportsnet/status/1469439946394066946
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Dec 11, 2021 00:16
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It will never cease to amaze me that the NHL has fought tooth and nail to keep Arizona in the desert , to the point of buying and owning them, but let Atlanta go without any resistance at all. I might be crazy but i still think a hockey team could work in Atlanta, that team was just horrific for its entire tenure
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Dec 11, 2021 00:38
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Move Arizona to Quebec. Not the team, the state. Leave the team there, and call them the Massive Watery Void Under Utah Sea-Coyotes.
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Dec 11, 2021 00:40
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clean ayers act posted:It will never cease to amaze me that the NHL has fought tooth and nail to keep Arizona in the desert , to the point of buying and owning them, but let Atlanta go without any resistance at all. Phoenix is a giant TV market that's kind of off by itself. Whereas the Hurricanes and both Florida teams kinda consider Atlanta their territory and weren't unhappy to see the Thrashers shove off. Still agree it's pretty weird how fixated Bettman is on Phoenix but that's probably how he/the owners justify it.
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Dec 11, 2021 00:48
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Worth remembering too that Atlanta had MISERABLE ownership and they did absolutely squat to promote that team in what should have been a fantastic market. https://twitter.com/BroadStBull/status/1469454927172882438 lmao Brassard's dead again wheeeeeeeeee E: and god drat poor Lindblom just bouncing from 4th to 1st to 4th line what the hell
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Dec 11, 2021 01:04
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VOTE1 posted:How do you say who your sources are inside an organisation without saying who your sources are? I support firing the guy that was apparently in charge of analytics for the Canucks.
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Dec 11, 2021 01:05
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Twin Cinema posted:Part of me wonders how much of it has to do with his poor the team has been during their entire tenure. Plus, never having a superstar. That's part of it, but as someone from the area it's tough to overstate just how terrible a location Glendale is relative to the rest of the Phoenix area. It's a good 20+ miles away from central Phoenix, 30+ miles to wealthier areas like Scottsdale where folks have the money to regularly attend games. That might work for football 8 times a season and mostly on weekends, but it's never going to fly for hockey. There are a ton of fans in the Phoenix area (especially with snowbirds in the winter months) but very few willing and able to drive an hour+ each way on a weeknight to attend games.
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Dec 11, 2021 01:25
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The kids can call them the SeaCs.
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Dec 11, 2021 01:26
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Troy Queef posted:Honestly anyone can do a better job than Bettman, but who would you personally pick to replace him?
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Dec 11, 2021 01:46
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Me, earlier this season: "Wow this Blackhawks stuff is awful. I think I will watch a team that isnt poo poo. But who...? Oh the Flyers!" Me, now: "The Philadelphia Flyers are dogshit garbage!"
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Dec 11, 2021 03:40
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Furnaceface posted:Me, earlier this season: "Wow this Blackhawks stuff is awful. I think I will watch a team that isnt poo poo. But who...? Oh the Flyers!" I didn't say they would be good! I said they would be entertaining. Although if they played like they did the other night it's going to be dire.
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Dec 11, 2021 03:51
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DJExile posted:Worth remembering too that Atlanta had MISERABLE ownership and they did absolutely squat to promote that team in what should have been a fantastic market. I’m gonna say 4-1 for Vegas tonight
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