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Elea posted:If you think the government should act more drastically already to prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths right now with delta, and posit things like a further immune escaping covid worsening the pandemic, like is predicted by experts, you are drowning in a repugnant stew of psychological damage your own hand stirs. Seek out nature friend. Death will sweep through as it does, killing and maiming, look at the trees all around you. It's not politically feasible, feel of the changing ground beneath you. To do anything, breath deep. Don't be a doomer. Hmm. Don't like this post.
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I'm amazed that you actually got pinged, I assumed a lot of people uninstalled the app or just forgot it was there, given that Covid Is Over*.
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Wow I can't believe the contact tracing system is actually working for you guys. The US has some scattered state-specific garbage that has never worked or helped anyone as far as I can tell, so I ditched it a long time ago.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I'm amazed that you actually got pinged, I assumed a lot of people uninstalled the app or just forgot it was there, given that Covid Is Over*. TBH I completely forgot I even had it on there, they either fixed the app or Android so I didn't get that slightly heart-stopping flash of the notification icon whenever I unlocked the phone, and yeah I'm also surprised that anyone else still has it on after all that "pingdemic" bullshit back in the summer. (And to show well it works, the moment I saw this notification I instantly developed all of the symptoms of terminal covid - a pain in my ankle, a slightly runny nose, and a feeling of impending doom) goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Dec 12, 2021 |
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It was always opt-in in the US so you were only ever going to get notifications from the kind of person too cautious to infect you, anyway. Maybe it's the same way in other countries and adoption just went better because it wasn't hampered by right wing extremism.
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Tiny Timbs posted:Wow I can't believe the contact tracing system is actually working for you guys. The US has some scattered state-specific garbage that has never worked or helped anyone as far as I can tell, so I ditched it a long time ago. It is weird just how whiplash-inducingly mixed our response has been - I believe we still lead the world in amount of testing and sequencing after a very rocky start, the app *was* working relatively well until everyone decided that it wasn't because somehow it kept pinging people who had jobs to go to, and while it tailed off our vaccine rollout was amazingly efficient at the start. On the other hand... well just about loving everything, we're still losing over a hundred people a day, our hospitals are getting the poo poo kicked out of them, and our response to Omicron has been "Suppose you should probably start wearing masks or something IDK".
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Tiny Timbs posted:It was always opt-in in the US so you were only ever going to get notifications from the kind of person too cautious to infect you, anyway. It's entirely optional here too - I believe before the summer there were about 15 million users (so around 25%). No idea what it is now, though, but I suspect considerably lower than that.
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The Canada app has been pretty pointless. It's federal, so at least there's not like a patchwork of apps (some provinces haven't adopted it because gently caress Trudeau or something), but like other people said, the only people using it are the people who aren't high risk anyway (people still talk about it and the QR code scanners "tracking you" even though they're completely incapable of it). As of May it had only logged 33,000 covid cases out of 1.3 million at that point.
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Tiny Timbs posted:Wow I can't believe the contact tracing system is actually working for you guys. The US has some scattered state-specific garbage that has never worked or helped anyone as far as I can tell, so I ditched it a long time ago. As far as I know, hardly anyone uses the Canadian version. It didn't help that my province didn't sign on to adopt it. I ended up uninstalling it because it seemed like a wasted effort. 
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enki42 posted:The Canada app has been pretty pointless. It's federal, so at least there's not like a patchwork of apps (some provinces haven't adopted it because gently caress Trudeau or something), but like other people said, the only people using it are the people who aren't high risk anyway (people still talk about it and the QR code scanners "tracking you" even though they're completely incapable of it). As of May it had only logged 33,000 covid cases out of 1.3 million at that point. It also can, as I discovered a week ago, randomly turn itself off. Some friends tested positive after we were all at the same event. When my one buddy mentioned he entered his one time code into the app, I was real confused why I never got a notification. So I booted into the app and was greeted with "Exposure notifications Off! Do you want to turn them on?". Now I know for sure it was checking it a week prior so it must have been some sort of bug. Turn it on and yep, big ol' exposure notification. I wasn't the only one. Few other folks I know discovered they had the exact same issue after I mentioned it. The app's determination of who is a "close contact" is also real spotty. I got a notification but my girlfriend didn't despite us both being around the dude in question at the same time. Ended up negative which was good. Less good was the total clusterfuck that is York Region's contact tracing for possible exposure. Some people got emails, some people got phone calls, some people got robocalls, some people got texts, some people (myself included) got nothing.
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learnincurve posted:Please, I wish this thread would stop with this "long covid" stuff, it's a term as bad and vague as "Autism". It's a colloquial term that means "long-term symptoms related to covid-19", I'm going to continue using it because I'm not a doctor talking to a patient
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QuarkJets posted:It's a colloquial term that means "long-term symptoms related to covid-19", I'm going to continue using it because I'm not a doctor talking to a patient I think the point is that there's definitely a tendency to take facts like "25% of people experience long covid" and "long covid can include serious effect X', and start thinking / implying that "25% of people with COVID get serious effect X".
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I just thought "long covid" is experiencing some type of long term effect. That's it. No specific anything. It's just a general term meaning that someone who got covid might experience some sort of persistent issue. I didn't think there was any other definition.
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I just thought "long covid" is experiencing some type of long term effect. IIRC the official definition is any symptoms or effects after 28 days. So if you have symptoms until day 35 and then it goes away you have Long COVID, but you also have Long COVID if you're still dealing with brain fog and shortness of breath 6+ months later. But that's why the spectrum matters because the former is less of a big deal since things resolved but the latter is a big loving deal. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Dec 12, 2021 |
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Pennywise the Frown posted:I just thought "long covid" is experiencing some type of long term effect. Yes, you're right, the problem with that is, without knowing the prevalence of the various effects, it's not really possible to say anything useful about Long COVID. An occasional headache or cough that lasts for 6 weeks is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things (certainly nothing we'd want to impose extra restrictions for), while permanent brain fog and shortness of breath is absolutely a big deal. Long COVID is both of those things, and I think there's a tendency for people who downplay COVID to assume that it's mostly the former, and people who magnify the dangers of COVID to assume it's mostly the latter.
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enki42 posted:I think the point is that there's definitely a tendency to take facts like "25% of people experience long covid" and "long covid can include serious effect X', and start thinking / implying that "25% of people with COVID get serious effect X". I haven't seen anyone express that kind of belief, and I don't think that's true
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QuarkJets posted:I haven't seen anyone express that kind of belief, and I don't think that's true There are people in the D&D and CSPAM threads who call COVID "airborne Parkinson's" because they believe long COVID is so likely to cause brain damage.
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A friend of mine's wife just tested positive in Indiana. His older son probably has it, too, but not yet tested. Apparently their daughter is required to attend school tomorrow because she's asymptomatic despite the house being full of viruses. Indiana sucks, man. I've complained about Illinois a bunch over the years, but drat. (My friend has had 3x Pfizer but his wife has only had J&J. She was supposed to be boosted a few weeks ago but had a sinus infection and couldn't. And now... Welp.)
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gohuskies posted:There are people in the D&D and CSPAM threads who call COVID "airborne Parkinson's" because they believe long COVID is so likely to cause brain damage. That does not imply that they believe all long covid cases result in conditions like Parkinson's, similar to how referring to it as "the boomer remover" did not mean that the person thought it killed all boomers
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QuarkJets posted:That does not imply that they believe all long covid cases result in conditions like Parkinson's, similar to how referring to it as "the boomer remover" did not mean that the person thought it killed all boomers Seems like this person maybe does! poll plane variant posted:A mild case is still a death sentence imo, it gets into the brain, you'll wish you'd had pneumonia. Acute severity is really pretty irrelevant with airborne Parkinson's I know I'm cherrypicking an extreme case to make a point, but I really do think the ambiguity (for better or for worse) around what long COVID actually is does make discussion around the issue less clear.
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QuarkJets posted:That does not imply that they believe all long covid cases result in conditions like Parkinson's, similar to how referring to it as "the boomer remover" did not mean that the person thought it killed all boomers There's definitely a conflating of Long COVID with brain damage, which while it does absolutely happen, doesn't represent (I think?) the majority of long covid. There was as recently as today someone saying that some of the reason that service industries have gotten worse is because people have become more stupid due to long covid brain damage. I think it can go the other way as well, its just as bad to assume that Long COVID always just mean "oh you had a cough for 30 days" or even worse, that it's always psychosomatic or whatever, there's just so little info that it's difficult to make any definitive statement about how long covid should inform risk, and people have a tendency to land on either extreme depending on their preconceived notions.
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On the Omicron front, apparently here in Ontario 21% of cases are Omicron as of today (it was estimated as 11% on Friday). Observed Rt is currently over 3. That's maybe a week and a half from the first reported cases of Omicron in the province. So this definitely moves fast, I assume it will be dominant in less than a week.
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gohuskies posted:There are people in the D&D and CSPAM threads who call COVID "airborne Parkinson's" because they believe long COVID is so likely to cause brain damage. It's not uncommon: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684089/ Personally I'm hoping to let other people prove or disprove this for COVID before I venture back into the wide world, but pretending it's not a possibility when we're only 2 years into the long term effects of a novel virus seems a little hubristic. I think Long Covid is A Thing. I don't know how much of A Thing, given how many of the worst symptoms described could also just be post-ICU syndrome. I am willing to remain removed from society for a few years until it is proven to not be A Thing. Raskolnikov2089 fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Dec 12, 2021 |
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Boris Johnson has just said he wants every over-18 in the UK to be boosted *by the end of the month*. That would be a run-rate of a million vaccinations *a day*, give or take, 7 days a week. The previous high was the day they opened up first jabs to under-30s, when they hit 800k - for which they needed more or less every person in the country qualified to give a vaccination on-duty, and opened up massive pop-up centres at football stadiums, as well as having the mass centres at convention centres and other large venues running at full capacity. Those large centres are almost all now closed, with the jabs being given mostly at hospitals, doctor's surgeries and pharmacies. We're currently doing around 450k/day - an impressive number given the circumstances - and I just don't see where the capacity can possibly come from. It's not *impossible* to pull off but for him to even talk about it as an ambition suggests that the government are *seriously* spooked about the Omicron numbers.
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Wang Commander posted:So I've been Max Titering a full Moderna dose every 3 weeks since my second dose back in February. I had to get some blood work done for my annual physical and they said my blood looked unusual in the tube, like visibly. They thought it was excessive lipids at first, but my cholesterol was normal, so they ran some more tests and it was antibodies. Anyway my doctor says my blood is way too viscous now and it explains why my blood pressure is up and they're worried about my kidneys between the inflammation and the thickening! I haven't come clean about the boosters yet so if you see a preprint about an insanely excessive antibody production with the Moderna vaxx it's just me and my boy Max.
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:It's not uncommon: Uncommon doesn’t mean what you think it means.
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enki42 posted:Yes, you're right, the problem with that is, without knowing the prevalence of the various effects, it's not really possible to say anything useful about Long COVID. An occasional headache or cough that lasts for 6 weeks is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things (certainly nothing we'd want to impose extra restrictions for), while permanent brain fog and shortness of breath is absolutely a big deal. Long COVID is both of those things, and I think there's a tendency for people who downplay COVID to assume that it's mostly the former, and people who magnify the dangers of COVID to assume it's mostly the latter. Then just specify the long term problem.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Boris Johnson has just said he wants every over-18 in the UK to be boosted *by the end of the month*. That would be a run-rate of a million vaccinations *a day*, give or take, 7 days a week. The previous high was the day they opened up first jabs to under-30s, when they hit 800k - for which they needed more or less every person in the country qualified to give a vaccination on-duty, and opened up massive pop-up centres at football stadiums, as well as having the mass centres at convention centres and other large venues running at full capacity. Those large centres are almost all now closed, with the jabs being given mostly at hospitals, doctor's surgeries and pharmacies. We're currently doing around 450k/day - an impressive number given the circumstances - and I just don't see where the capacity can possibly come from. Not to doompost but the "leaks" about Plan C, the "experts warn" news headline herpes and the actual cold, hard numbers suggest strongly that UK is absolutely going to another lockdown. Just anectodal evidence is like nearly everyone around me is getting this again, I got pinged (isolate if you are not double jabbed) twice now and seems like all my clients have breakouts in their offices/factories. Welp, time to resume baking and pick up wild swimmimg
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As far as the contact tracing app on the iPhone and such, apparently the contact tracer who calls you is supposed to tell you a code to enter. That seems like something no one would ever do.
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gohuskies posted:There are people in the D&D and CSPAM threads who call COVID "airborne Parkinson's" because they believe long COVID is so likely to cause brain damage. https://twitter.com/fitterhappieraj/status/1470109244011827205?s=21
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smackfu posted:As far as the contact tracing app on the iPhone and such, apparently the contact tracer who calls you is supposed to tell you a code to enter. That seems like something no one would ever do. Yeah the health department in my state was giving those out for positive tests but they took days to do it and also never bothered to give them out to people presumed positive who didn't get tested (i.e., quarantining family members) Leonardi is yet another one of those twitter bullshit artists capitalizing off the COVID audience Main Paineframe posted:I don't have to go too far past the summary to discover that the patient was displaying signs of central nervous system disorder four months before she tested positive for COVID. According to the clinical history, she spent a total of at least thirty-one days hospitalized (plus several visits of unspecified length) due to seizures and signs of potential nervous system damage before testing positive or displaying noticeable COVID symptoms. Additionally, her final cause of death involved considerable ischemic injury (i.e., oxygen starvation of tissues) due to respiratory failure and severe blood clots, both things that can cause brain damage Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Dec 12, 2021 |
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gohuskies posted:There are people in the D&D and CSPAM threads who call COVID "airborne Parkinson's" because they believe long COVID is so likely to cause brain damage. Well, if I was looking for people intimately familiar with brain damage then D&D and CSPAM is where I'd start.
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