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SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


The Management posted:

This is in downtown San Jose and I have almost turned into those bus and light rail lanes many times when driving in that area. Not to excuse the Tesla, which is clearly a death machine, but those lanes are confusing. I don’t normally have these kinds of driving problems.

As much as I hate to give Teslas any leeway, I kind of have to agree. The real issue is that the morons who designed and built the VTA decided that light rail going directly through a city should have no fences or barriers, presumably because it was ugly. Result? That section you see there limits the trains to 5 miles per hour because pedestrians can freely cross any part of those tracks, so if you take VTA from the north of San Jose to the south it'll take you an hour, as opposed to a 10 minute drive on 87 with no traffic. Most of the rest of the system isn't much better - even in the parts that have some minor separation (still no fences, just putting the trains down the middle of a large expressway) the trains max out at maybe 40 mph. And "trains" is being generous - it's one or two cars with a max capacity of maybe 200? But don't worry because there's probably fewer than 10 people in a car at any given time.

California really takes the prize for idiocy in public transit. The only halfway decent system up here is BART and because there was no overriding agency in the 1970s (I mean, there isn't one now either), when San Mateo County said "naw we don't want that, it would bring in THOSE PEOPLE", the builders had to give in and couldn't run BART through, so it doesn't go around the Bay like it was supposed to and is thus singularly useless unless you're in the East Bay or parts of the North Bay. Unless you're in Marin which ALSO didn't want "those people". And yes they obviously meant black people because they're a bunch of rich white assholes.

This loving state.

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Hollow Talk
Feb 2, 2014

SyNack Sassimov posted:

As much as I hate to give Teslas any leeway, I kind of have to agree. The real issue is that the morons who designed and built the VTA decided that light rail going directly through a city should have no fences or barriers, presumably because it was ugly. Result? That section you see there limits the trains to 5 miles per hour because pedestrians can freely cross any part of those tracks, so if you take VTA from the north of San Jose to the south it'll take you an hour, as opposed to a 10 minute drive on 87 with no traffic. Most of the rest of the system isn't much better - even in the parts that have some minor separation (still no fences, just putting the trains down the middle of a large expressway) the trains max out at maybe 40 mph. And "trains" is being generous - it's one or two cars with a max capacity of maybe 200? But don't worry because there's probably fewer than 10 people in a car at any given time.

California really takes the prize for idiocy in public transit. The only halfway decent system up here is BART and because there was no overriding agency in the 1970s (I mean, there isn't one now either), when San Mateo County said "naw we don't want that, it would bring in THOSE PEOPLE", the builders had to give in and couldn't run BART through, so it doesn't go around the Bay like it was supposed to and is thus singularly useless unless you're in the East Bay or parts of the North Bay. Unless you're in Marin which ALSO didn't want "those people". And yes they obviously meant black people because they're a bunch of rich white assholes.

This loving state.

It's just a tram, right? Why would it need fences? Do your streets have fences? Why would the trains have to creep along but cars are allowed to drive normally?
:confused: :psyduck:

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Well trams usually do avoid going full blast through pedestrian areas like this, but it's not really a problem. If there are cars there anyway though anyway then it's kind of dumb

DrPossum
May 15, 2004

i am not a surgeon

Those belts are hungry for that man's sweater sleeves

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS


:kstare:

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Idk who that is but that’s a p cool house set up TBH. If the dude is actually able to migrate off fossil fuel for his home that seems good.

EDIT: UHHH is that a HV line running to that fuse just exposed out in the open for your knee to bump?

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



That's quite impressive!

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.


The concept of bike lanes on Florida roads is horrifying - this being the state that can't even get pedestrian crossing right.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

CarForumPoster posted:

Idk who that is but that’s a p cool house set up TBH. If the dude is actually able to migrate off fossil fuel for his home that seems good.

EDIT: UHHH is that a HV line running to that fuse just exposed out in the open for your knee to bump?

He's an antivax congressman from kentucky who is doing extremely wrong things with that 450A AC circuit breaker even aside from the complete lack of enclosures

piL
Sep 20, 2007
(__|\\\\)
Taco Defender

Hollow Talk posted:

It's just a tram, right? Why would it need fences? Do your streets have fences? Why would the trains have to creep along but cars are allowed to drive normally?
:confused: :psyduck:

My theory:

If (a citizen on the road) you kill maim a person while driving, much of it is your fault and the penal code and civil courts will punish you at little (relative) cost to the state. The public's call for safety against the government will be balanced by the public's desire for convenience and an equilibrium will be found.

If a tram driver kills a person while driving, it's the tram driver's fault, the (city, county, metro or state) government's fault, or both. The more you try to put the fault on tram drivers, the more the government has to pay tram drivers for the risk of doing the job to be worth the pay of the risk the driver is exposed to in doing their job, plus the extra required training and beauracracy necessary to demonstrate that the tram driver was suffiently trained, rested, and ready. The more risk the government bears, the greater incentive there is to reduce the exposure to the financial effects of that risk and/or the political effects of that risk.

The equilibrium of the first case will tend more towards convenience than equilibriums of the second case since only the government is assessing the risk and those risk assessments are what bias towards safety.

Slowing down the tram in regions like this naturally affects a less well-connected and well-funded portion of the population. Unless your public transit affects a sufficiently large portion of the population that it compensates for the power disparity (NYC), the pressure ends up being greater to hamstring mass transit over the roads, because a greater risk is exposed to the government and its elected officials. This is also what makes rebuilding usage so difficult--are you a white or Asian-american in the bay area? You're less likely to /have/ to use the train, likely make more money, so have a greater voice, and are more likely to vote. Note: this is not enough evidence to establish a causal link, so this is an assumption on my part. I also assume I'll find similar demographics in Los Angeles and San Diego metro usage.

You can't escape this relationship without having a sufficient number of the more wealthy portion of the population opt into the transit, but because they've already established methods where they don't have to, they won't until its consistently more reliable, socially acceptable, professionally acceptable, safe, and comfortable than the alternative of using their car. Even if you're on the lower end of the middle class spectrum, you're pressured to come to work in the same method your boss. If your boss is 2 hours late because of traffic, then its less of a problem that you're 2 hours late because of traffic. If you're 2 hours late because of the metro but they're on time because they drove, you're "showing insufficient initiative." I suspect this isn't even wholly the employer's fault--unless they work in transit or city government, they didn't get where they are based on expertise in these issues. Even if they are aware and welcoming to those making an effort to use mass transit, I suspect most American middle- to high-earners, in their cultural devotions to work experience feelings of unworthiness or inferiority by being late or, in their desire to out-compete their competitors, will punish themselves by trying to account more and more for this potential error by leaving earlier until they've added hours of unpaid labor to the workday and eventually burn out and choose the car over transit.


Edit: to bring this round back to OSHA, the same tension always exists between convenience/cost and safety, and where the cost lands when something goes wrong has a lot to do with whatever standards emerge. In fact, the function that OSHA serves is to help ensure the cost lands on the appropriate persons to affect the desired outcome.

piL fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Dec 12, 2021

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

shame on an IGA posted:

He's an antivax congressman from kentucky who is doing extremely wrong things with that 450A AC circuit breaker even aside from the complete lack of enclosures

Email that tweet to every home insurance provider in his district. One of them has to be his agent.

Even out in the vast sandbox I live in, you need to get a permit to put up solar or install a grid-tie, and they have to be done by a licensed electrician. I wonder what electrician is responsible for installing that monstrosity.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

CarForumPoster posted:

Idk who that is but that’s a p cool house set up TBH. If the dude is actually able to migrate off fossil fuel for his home that seems good.

EDIT: UHHH is that a HV line running to that fuse just exposed out in the open for your knee to bump?

Considering it came from a wreck what are the chances that there's some small fault somewhere in that enormous stack of concentrated gently caress you that eventually leads to a byelection.

Knowing how twitchy Li-On cells are (thanks Schad and Osha threads) I wouldn't be rushing to use anything less than pristine cells.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Even if everything were done “right”, Tesla cells are dodgy enough when they’re new. Remember that Australian energy storage site that burned for multiple days?

If you’re going to use Tesla batteries, your facility ought to be constructed like an ammunition dump.

DreadUnknown
Nov 4, 2020

Bird is the word.

Terrifying Effigies posted:

The concept of bike lanes on Florida roads is horrifying - this being the state that can't even get pedestrian crossing right.
Its kind of hilarious to me that Melbourne FL of all places actually has decent bike lanes. My commute was about 18 miles to the next town via bike, with a chunk just in one of the car lanes but I only got honked at once. On a really hot day, this nice lady in the car next to me offered me water lol.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Solar batteries are getting cheap anyhow. 5Kw server rack battery packs are less than $2k now (almost perpetually on backorder too). There's no reason to put an Elon-grade firestarter in your basement, that isn't approved for the purpose and an insurer would deny claims on when it burns his house down.

the fart question
Mar 21, 2007

College Slice
https://twitter.com/lukeisamazing/status/1465761330196008969?s=21

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

SyNack Sassimov posted:

As much as I hate to give Teslas any leeway, I kind of have to agree.
The entire argument is that Tesla has no loving business deploying non-geofenced features if they can't handle even the mildest of edge cases. They're literally making beta-testers out of everyone on the road.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.

evil_bunnY posted:

The entire argument is that Tesla has no loving business deploying non-geofenced features if they can't handle even the mildest of edge cases. They're literally making beta-testers out of everyone on the road.

This is why I stay waaaaay away from tealas when I see them out and about. They're starting to pop up in my region and it's a little unsettling. I figure if I give them loads more space than I would a dump truck they won't thirst for my blood.

Also, post+av combo.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Platystemon posted:

Even if everything were done “right”, Tesla cells are dodgy enough when they’re new. Remember that Australian energy storage site that burned for multiple days?

If you’re going to use Tesla batteries, your facility ought to be constructed like an ammunition dump.

I was thinking "wow, that's pretty neat. How could you do that safely? The concrete wall in the photo is a good start, but I doubt that's a bunker external to the residence."

Eta: Construction of an ammo/explosive magazine should have similar considerations to large batteries. They are storing large amounts of energy, ready to be released rapidly. Don't put that poo poo in your dwellings people.

Triple post to get in before the dingus tweets a photo showing his "upcycled" halon fire supression system last serviced in 1972.

B33rChiller fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Dec 12, 2021

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

Hey we have one of those.

Merge into this 60mph traffic across the bike lane:

EIDE Van Hagar
Dec 8, 2000

Beep Boop

DrPossum posted:

Those belts are hungry for that man's sweater sleeves

Yeh pros know to use a screwdriver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhfcdQf1QA

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

EIDE Van Hagar posted:

Hey we have one of those.

Merge into this 60mph traffic across the bike lane:



This will turn an entire biker to a soup-like homogenate.

Dumb Sex-Parrot
Dec 25, 2020

 
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EIDE Van Hagar posted:

Hey we have one of those.

Merge into this 60mph traffic across the bike lane:



I-.. whatt?? This is insane! :psyduck:

iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗

Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

I-.. whatt?? This is insane! :psyduck:

There's one of those by me but the bike lane just ends there with less than 300 feet of warning. It doesn't warn you that you're about to be in between merging vehicles, just that the bike lane ends.

I love cycling and motorcycling but gently caress doing either in FL. As poster above said though Melbourne does have some nice lanes; I always rent a bike when we go down there.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

iwentdoodie posted:

There's one of those by me but the bike lane just ends there with less than 300 feet of warning. It doesn't warn you that you're about to be in between merging vehicles, just that the bike lane ends.

I love cycling and motorcycling but gently caress doing either in FL. As poster above said though Melbourne does have some nice lanes; I always rent a bike when we go down there.

Do they do a good job bending it back into shape and hosing off the viscera of the previous customer?

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


In the south it is just absolutely normal to call your dad sir and to call anyone sir

Dumb Sex-Parrot
Dec 25, 2020

 
Absurd Pox Term
Rad Buxom Strep
     
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Borax Dumpster
     
Dares Box Trump

iwentdoodie posted:

There's one of those by me but the bike lane just ends there with less than 300 feet of warning. It doesn't warn you that you're about to be in between merging vehicles, just that the bike lane ends.

I love cycling and motorcycling but gently caress doing either in FL. As poster above said though Melbourne does have some nice lanes; I always rent a bike when we go down there.

I think I'm most concerned about the idea of funnelling bicyclists onto a major thoroughfare where vehicles are going at 60mph. :psyduck:

thepopmonster
Feb 18, 2014


Dumb Sex-Parrot posted:

I think I'm most concerned about the idea of funnelling bicyclists onto a major thoroughfare where vehicles are going at 60mph. :psyduck:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfArEGCm7yM&t=108s

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


Hollow Talk posted:

It's just a tram, right? Why would it need fences? Do your streets have fences? Why would the trains have to creep along but cars are allowed to drive normally?
:confused: :psyduck:

PiL mostly covered this, and went into the structural problems that result in this poo poo, but yeah the short answer is a car hits a pedestrian, that single driver is liable. Train hits a pedestrian, government is liable. This is America, land of suing everyone, so government says "nope we're not risking it, train goes 5 mph and rings the bell constantly so if a pedestrian does get hit hopefully we MIGHT be able to convince a judge the pedestrian was at fault". Which they probably won't unless the pedestrian's BAC is 0.4.

The actual issue I was trying to get at is that various large sums of money have in fact, at various points in history, managed to be spent on public transit here, but due to stupid easily fixable errors the resulting systems are absolute poo poo or, due to NIMBYism with BART, were prevented from achieving their stated goal. The ONLY way public transit is effective is if it goes very fast between the fixed endpoints, because the obvious major downside of transit is those fixed endpoints which are the actual destination of precisely no one riding them (unless they work as a janitor in the station or something). That last mile walk/Uber/bike ride makes transit irritating and uninviting, but if the transit itself is going twice as fast as a car would (and to be clear, this doesn't mean 160 miles an hour - if it goes 60 mph during commute times you've achieved "twice as fast"), it would be worth it. Don't get me wrong, even with full fencing the VTA wouldn't be going 60 mph through San Jose, but if it went even 20-30 it could manage to be a useful system. I don't know that I'm getting this across - you can RUN as fast as the train when it's going through that section. At that point, why even loving bother to build the transit? Why set aside the space, buy the trains, and pay people to run them when you can loving bike faster?

evil_bunnY posted:

The entire argument is that Tesla has no loving business deploying non-geofenced features if they can't handle even the mildest of edge cases. They're literally making beta-testers out of everyone on the road.

I was mostly skipping past the Tesla portion to spew one of my favorite rants about how poo poo California is at public transit, but yes, to be clear, gently caress Tesla, gently caress Elon, and gently caress anyone who thinks it's A-OK to use the public highways as a testing ground for lovely software that has already killed people and will kill more people.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

Merry Christmas!

Spatial
Nov 15, 2007

evil_bunnY posted:

The entire argument is that Tesla has no loving business deploying non-geofenced features if they can't handle even the mildest of edge cases. They're literally making beta-testers out of everyone on the road.
"beta testing", or to be less charitable, non-consentual live human experimentation on the public

null_pointer
Nov 9, 2004

Center in, pull back. Stop. Track 45 right. Stop. Center and stop.

punishedkissinger posted:

Merry Christmas!



"Ho ho ho(crack ping hiss)ooooooly shiiiii"

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

SyNack Sassimov posted:

PiL mostly covered this, and went into the structural problems that result in this poo poo, but yeah the short answer is a car hits a pedestrian, that single driver is liable. Train hits a pedestrian, government is liable. This is America, land of suing everyone, so government says "nope we're not risking it, train goes 5 mph and rings the bell constantly so if a pedestrian does get hit hopefully we MIGHT be able to convince a judge the pedestrian was at fault". Which they probably won't unless the pedestrian's BAC is 0.4.

The solutions is to have a ram in front that disincorporates the evidence when your tram hits someone at Shinkansen speeds.

The red stuff on the tracks isn't blood, it's ketchup.

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

Z the IVth posted:

The solutions is to have a ram in front that disincorporates the evidence when your tram hits someone at Shinkansen speeds.

The red stuff on the tracks isn't blood, it's ketchup.

So, basically one of these


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nH2oKdqX3Q

5TonsOfFlax
Aug 31, 2001

EIDE Van Hagar posted:

Hey we have one of those.

Merge into this 60mph traffic across the bike lane:



360 near Bee Caves?

It says a lot about Austin that I am not sure _which_ death trap that is.

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Hollow Talk posted:

It's just a tram, right? Why would it need fences? Do your streets have fences? Why would the trains have to creep along but cars are allowed to drive normally?
:confused: :psyduck:

A car can stop much faster than a train, and also steer

blight rhino
Feb 11, 2014

EXQUISITE LURKER RHINO


Nap Ghost

Harry_Potato posted:

That first one is a "Wild Mouse" . They were common in the 70s/80s and you still see them today. I've been on several variants. The restraints have improved greatly over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0NpGA8u_U

Haha yeah. A lot like that, but way more janky and jerky

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...




This is really god drat impressive.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
https://i.imgur.com/tAsft3z.mp4

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