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Dog_Meat posted:Isn't he having a moody sulk in one of the HH books and casually mentions that he knows the true name of the Emperor and "it would surprise you"? That always seemed a bit of a game changing thing to throw out there in an off-hand comment OPAONI posted:I second this. While the ending is not quite up to the quality of the rest of the book as it turns into standard 40k fight porn, (although how the problem is ultimately resolved is conceptually neat) the exploration of navigator house politics is a very fun and tense ride. Arquinsiel fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Dec 13, 2021 |
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Angry Lobster posted:I didn't check Rites of Passage because the premise didn't seem too attractive for me, but I guess I need to look into it. Also I completely forgot about the Alpharius book. Imagine if all four golden girls were combined into one character and then put in charge of a Navigator house during a succession crisis.
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Azubah posted:Just finished up Apocalypse from the conquest line and it was fun, neat seeing 3 different chapters work together. Yeah, it's surprisingly good and I hope some of the plot elements get followed up on eventually
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t3isukone posted:I am in a strange position where on one hand, I hate the 'heroic loyalist spess merenes' thing(to the point that, until seeing the rave reviews in this thread, I didn't even check out Matthew Farrer's Urdesh books and I LOVE Farrer) and I am so frustrated with everything about how GW depicts them, but also, I genuinely like 40k!Guilliman. I don't think any of the writing has truly lived up to the potential that it has, but I really like him having to deal with knowing the Emperor is a monster who created him as first and foremost a tool for genocide. The Ultramarines were recently depicted as absolutely atrocious dicks in the Hammer and Bolter episode about the Aeldari.
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It either faith in the Emperor or faith in himself and its pointed out in the book that the increasing amount of people having faith in Guilliman as some sort of savior might be making him into a god which he is uh, not comfortable with. And in the end of the book he's very uncomfortable with being used as the Emperor's vessel, still trying to wrap his head around the whole the emperor maybe being a god thing, and is told by Cawl that if the emperor is a god then everyone should be cautious because gods just gently caress everything up. Telsa Cola fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Dec 13, 2021 |
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What are the best BL audiobooks? Also looking for general book recommendations from the last 2 years or so.
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This is awesome https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/9z42fy/qa_with_rick_priestley_part_2_the_lore_of/
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People ask the weirdest questions in these: “is X and influence? What about Y? Z?” Yes, the major SF and fantasy works of the period were influences. Do people basically hold these interviews without thinking of doing any prep or homework? lenoon fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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ADB just posted on FB that he had a new baby on the 12th so that doesn't bode well for getting much writing done 
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I'm at chapter 7 of Talon of Horus. Here's what I've learned about the main character so far, assuming he's not just coming up with random poo poo to screw with his captors: * He's a powerful sorcerer of the Thousand Sons. So powerful that he claims to have made his own Primarch kneel. * He's got a spaceship of his own, which is driven by emotionless shipgirl that used to be his little sister, floating naked in a tank. * He's got an inexplicably completely loyal daemonic familiar that takes the form of a giant wolf and identifies as female. * He collects daemons like pokemon and summons them by throwing MTG cards. * He's got a winged Dark Eldar chick hanging around his ship in the while they are in the Eye of Terror. Oh, and she's BFFs with the daemonic familiar. And this is from the same guy who wrote awesome Night Lords trilogy? What happened, did he somehow regress to teenager between series or something? Does this get better later or should I bail now? Edit. drat, posted exactly at the same time as the post before this.
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D-Pad posted:ADB just posted on FB that he had a new baby on the 12th so that doesn't bode well for getting much writing done At first no, but hey when your kid is annoying you "I need to go to work, can't deal right now!" great excuse :P
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Warden posted:I'm at chapter 7 of Talon of Horus. I really enjoyed probably like 75% of the 2 black legion books and the quality of some of the writing is absolutely sky high. some chapters had me hanging off the edge of my seat , but holy poo poo the mary sue factor is ridiculous,the waifu girlfriend is incredibly grating and even his cool pet dog gets a bit annoying. I've avoided a re-read because of them but I do remember quite a few people mentioning those factors as well.
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D-Pad posted:ADB just posted on FB that he had a new baby on the 12th so that doesn't bode well for getting much writing done The solution is obviously for ADB to collaborate with the child on the next book. ADB and ADBB, Aaron Demski Bowden's Baby.
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If I was Khayon I'd be telling the imperials I'm super awesome/edgelord just to gently caress with them. I think that's the first hint you shouldn't believe everything he says.
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Azubah posted:I think that's the first hint you shouldn't believe everything he says. I twigged to that when he felt the need to state that he had brought Magnus to his knees for the second time. Like, dude, you said that already, all casual-like, either give me a convincing explanation how you supposedly managed that or stop making unverifiable boasts
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Azubah posted:If I was Khayon I'd be telling the imperials I'm super awesome/edgelord just to gently caress with them. I think that's the first hint you shouldn't believe everything he says. He should totally team up with Sharrowkyn and go full Poochy
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I know this a great username/post combo but I thought all of the stuff you are complaining about in Talon loving ruled.
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Khayon is definitely a special snowflake with a long and storied career behind him, but so are all of the other senior officers of the Black Legion.
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wiegieman posted:Khayon is definitely a special snowflake with a long and storied career behind him, but so are all of the other senior officers of the Black Legion. Is there a named Space Marine character that isnt a special snowflake, Traitor or Loyalist?
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Warden posted:I'm at chapter 7 of Talon of Horus. #1 has yet to be revealed to be a truth or a lie, or a half-truth, and is probably the biggest blue-balling in the series. It's definitely meant to come across as an eyebrow-raiser, though. As I mentioned, there have been fan theories about it. #2 feels IMO like ADB needed to find some plausible way to do a thing that Khayon's sister does later (get the Vengeful Spirit out of hiding without suddenly finding 100,000 trained crew just chilling and ready somewhere in the Eye of Terror), and took inspiration from the Titan Princeps to do so. Unfortunately it came out a little too Ghost in the Shell and a not very grimdark. I agree that it seems weird, it feels like Anamnesis could easily have been something less unique, a Navigator melded with the ship by Chaos influences or something. Having his own (not very large) ship isn't at all out of line for a Chaos Lord, though. So does Fabius, Vorx, the Exalted, etc., Khayon seems to be of a similar rank. #3 Pet daemons ("tutelaries") are standard issue for TSons sorcerers. I haven't read other TSons novels so I don't know if Khayon's doggie (or specifically, its ability to possess a doggie) is OP or not #4 Again, pretty standard for Chaos Sorcerers, I think? In the Fabius book there's a Word Bearer diabolist who does the same, using flasks instead of MTG cards, and he isn't implied to be super-powerful or anything. Khayon also seems to have less control over his deck. I do think it feels too much that Khayon is apparently good at daemon summoning and teleportation and possession. Feels like he should have one or two specialties at the most, like his mentor. #5 The Dark Eldar waifu - I think she's an ADB plot device to provided a much-needed non-CSM voice in the novels, without going for the usual 'Imperial citizen gets captured and for some reason becomes a trusted slave very quickly' trope. As an Eldar she has enough arrogance to call the CSM's bullshit to their face, and when she does it's one of my favourite moments from the book. Power level-wise she's fine, despite Khayon's hype she doesn't seem to do much that a good World Eater couldn't have done. Her interactions with Telemachon are definitely weird, though. Reading an erotic courtship scene where ADB basically word-replaced 'gently caress' with 'kill' was awkward, like the world's clumsiest American censorship - I think I would have liked it better if he'd just made it an explicitly erotic thing, with or without the blood, and so highlighted how much Slaanesh space marines are changed. Overall, Khayon legitimately didn't come across as Mary Sueish to me. Part of it might be because I read the books quite fast and (not much of a spoiler) he gets his rear end kicked and his ideas rejected a lot over the course of two novels.
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BIFFORD: I think Games Workshop should write a “truth book” that describes the reality of the WH40K universe. All the books I’ve read are written from the perspective of the characters, e.g. an Imperium-centric book will justify everything the Imperium does, an Eldar centric book justifies everything the Eldar do, etc. What GW should do is supply a detached book that tells the truth of what everything is like in the setting, and supply this to writers so that the novels can have some consistency. What do you think? PRIESTLEY: I’m not sure there is such a thing as a single objective truth in the real world let alone the world of 40K! 
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Imperium doesn't even know what year it is. Biff there should like watch some Star Wars and learn about truths from certain points of view. Random question - how is Liber Xenologis? Huge fan of Xenology but I don't even know if one can buy Xenologis anywhere anymore.
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ADB made Khayon into a Mary Sue because he had to spend his Mary Sue energy somewhere after pouring so much effort into demonstrating how first claw and the night lords in general, suck.
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Khayon is a Mary Sue who spends an entire book completely failing to kill one dude, literally the one thing Abbadon keeps him around for
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Khayon is a Mary Sue who spends an entire book completely failing to kill one dude, literally the one thing Abbadon keeps him around for Adb is an excellent writer. Yes.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Khayon is a Mary Sue who spends an entire book completely failing to kill one dude, literally the one thing Abbadon keeps him around for That’s the Black Legion in a nutshell. The biggest fuckups with the baddest reputations. Black Legion are the Chaos guys that pull themselves out of the collective depression and dumbassery of the traitor legions, but they’re still fuckups that have to win through overwhelming powers.
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Khayon is great. A Mary Sue who is chained up with his eyes gouged out in a imperial dungeon cause Abaddon decided he needed a herald and sent in someone he didn't need anymore, lol.
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AnEdgelord posted:Is there a named Space Marine character that isnt a special snowflake, Traitor or Loyalist? Pedro Kantor
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I think abnetts non space marine noir work follows Priestleys vision of an imperium of man with disconnected planets that are more or less their own worlds.
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Talos is very much not a Mary Sue. He had the ear of his primarch, a unique power and a nifty sword, but.... ....said unique power does little but gently caress him over, his peers and enemies are very justified in the issues they have with him, he is very deluded about his legion, and most of all, his supposed sense of retribution and justice has him murder and renounce an actually innocent brother to save the actual culprit, shortly before his death.
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ADB writes losers that win big in the end and Mary Sue’s that fall over themselves trying to accomplish simple tasks. It really brings a humor to his series.
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euphronius posted:BIFFORD: I think Games Workshop should write a “truth book” that describes the reality of the WH40K universe. All the books I’ve read are written from the perspective of the characters, e.g. an Imperium-centric book will justify everything the Imperium does, an Eldar centric book justifies everything the Eldar do, etc. What GW should do is supply a detached book that tells the truth of what everything is like in the setting, and supply this to writers so that the novels can have some consistency. What do you think? What a terrible interview question lmao
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I'm currently about 15% into The Wolftime and this is shaping up to be the worst depiction of Space Wolves I've ever seen. It doesn't help that I just finished reading Wraight's Space Wolves trilogy, but man, the prose alone is a major turn off for me. I'm probably going to drudge through it anyway because I have issues, but can someone tell me if the plot at least will get better? Also, I don't remember reading anything by Thorpe before. Are his books always like this, or are Space Wolves just not his thing?
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I read Magos, Pariah, and now just finished Penitent and drat Abnett is just the KING of taking common place table top stuff and just twisting it just right to breathe new life into it. The different marine factions just all feel so distinct and weird its great. Loved the word bearers & teke in Pariah and then the Immaterial College in Penitent was really loving cool. Deathrow & Comus both great in their singular portrayals as well. One of my other favorite things is Bequin obviously growing as a character into an Inquisitor, for sure. She has the start of her warband and Renner is a GREAT member, I really like him a lot. Now I just can't wait for Pandaemonium. The one bummer for me so far is Voriet biting it so early. After The Magos I really liked him. I kind of wish Drusher had stuck around, as both teams are kind of missing his wisdom & heart right now.
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Badly Jester posted:I'm currently about 15% into The Wolftime and this is shaping up to be the worst depiction of Space Wolves I've ever seen. It doesn't help that I just finished reading Wraight's Space Wolves trilogy, but man, the prose alone is a major turn off for me. I'm probably going to drudge through it anyway because I have issues, but can someone tell me if the plot at least will get better? No it just sucks all the way through. Just an absolutely terrible writing of Space Wolves.
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Gav Thorpe is a Bad Writer.
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I dunno, he wrote The First Wall and that was alright.
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Half of The First Wall was a plot that went nowhere and hasn't been relevant to any other book in the series.
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