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Blind Rasputin posted:I read book 5 and after hearing everyone dog on book 6 (and seeing this season) I don’t think I’m going to read it. Is it possible to just start at book 7 and is the rest of the series worth reading? In my mind, it would have to get significantly better than book 5 to be worth reading. That book felt so stretched out and slow and the things happening just weren’t that amazing. I'm going to go against the grain and say that Book 6 is awesome. The stuff that has been excised from the show, the background politicking and such, is excellent. Plus it has one of the best POV chapters in the entire series. You could pick up Persepolis Rising and be mostly OK, the broad strokes of Babylon's Ashes are in the show. Start point is the same, end point looks like it's going to be roughly the same. But you'd be missing some really good character stuff. There are bits that are annoying, mostly relating to Marco being a somewhat insufferable prick. But with the way the story is written, you only get direct interactions with him from two people, and neither of their opinions of him are positive. A bit like book/show Ashford. IMHO they're nailing Marco in the show. Yeah, Marco sucks and is annoying. He should suck and be annoying. He's a pompous, narcissistic rear end who's more obsessed with his feeding his own ego and settling personal grudges than actually building a belter nation. He's a not as smart as he thinks he is, and is a weapon pointed at the inner planets by someone much smarter than him. Keon is playing that poo poo up and it's great.
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All the books are good. By far the worst book is the first one since the authors were still kind of inexperienced at making good characters. There are more book series out there than there is time to read them all, so I'll never understand the people that went 9 books deep into this series complaining the whole time that the books were bad.
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CPColin posted:That latest episode had a lot of good character moments that would have fit in great during a season that had some loving room for such things. The whole seasons been like this. It's not that it's bad, it just feels like nobody told them it's a short season so big stuff needs to happen a lot sooner. It's also kinda weird how the only threat has seemed totally under control for a few episodes now. The asteroid threat was neutralized faster than expected and the raid on their secret supplies has been on the cards for a while now. It's fun to watch it play out but it feels like we're just watching the free navy's plans slowly fall apart. Holden's disabling of the torpedo would have seemed a bigger deal if it didn't seem like such a foregone conclusion already.
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Does book Holden ever get better? I got the bit in the Leviathan Wakes where he starts beaming the crew manifest of the Cant out at the people who just blew them up, and then i just gave up. Felt like some sort of Star Trek cartoon-pacifist, just insufferably dumb.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Does book Holden ever get better? I got the bit in the Leviathan Wakes where he starts beaming the crew manifest of the Cant out at the people who just blew them up, and then i just gave up. Felt like some sort of Star Trek cartoon-pacifist, just insufferably dumb. I don’t know if he gets “better” but a lot of people certainly tell him he’s an idiot rear end in a top hat baby. And he stops acting like a spaceborne Cory Doctorow who’s dead set on Freeing Information.
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Jan 3, 2022 15:57
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I don't think a Marco redemption arc could work b/c he murdered like 20 billion people
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Pattonesque posted:I don't think a Marco redemption arc could work b/c he murdered like 20 billion people marco nods, slowly lifting his gaze to the assembled cast of characters around him. 'i get it now. i finally understand. the inyalowda we killed... they were the real beltalowda.' everyone cheers. fade to black. fin.
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Electro-Boogie Jack posted:marco nods, slowly lifting his gaze to the assembled cast of characters around him. 'i get it now. i finally understand. the inyalowda we killed... they were the real beltalowda.' everyone cheers. fade to black. fin. alex kurtzman, please log out from SA and never come back TIA
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Anonymous Zebra posted:All the books are good. By far the worst book is the first one since the authors were still kind of inexperienced at making good characters. There are more book series out there than there is time to read them all, so I'll never understand the people that went 9 books deep into this series complaining the whole time that the books were bad. Agree. Daniel Abraham was already a published author and was decent, but it was Ty's first thing and it shows. Dunno which is my favorite since it's not the kind of thing I think about. Probably 5 or 8?
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My first thought when Drummer slipped the Martell house words into her speech was "I wonder if Ty Franck ghostwrote any of A Feast For Crows"
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Anonymous Zebra posted:All the books are good. By far the worst book is the first one since the authors were still kind of inexperienced at making good characters. There are more book series out there than there is time to read them all, so I'll never understand the people that went 9 books deep into this series complaining the whole time that the books were bad. this is an insane post because miller is the best character the series ever had and makes up half the first book
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Horizon Burning posted:this is an insane post because miller is the best character the series ever had and makes up half the first book Never said the book was bad, just the worst of the series. The Miller chapters are really good though. It was the Holden chapters (and the thin characterizations of his crew) that dragged it down. The Miller chapters were much better written and divorced from the "RPG party on an adventure" storyline of Holden's crew.
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Mameluke posted:My first thought when Drummer slipped the Martell house words into her speech was "I wonder if Ty Franck ghostwrote any of A Feast For Crows" Aren’t they connected with GRRM? Part of the NM scene. (Also in book 3 Bull keeps a stash of Hatch chilis  )
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From the teaser they seem to deliver on the most important clash of the series in the upcoming episode. https://twitter.com/ExpanseOnPrime/status/1478143793417256960?s=20
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Nine of Eight posted:Ty is(was?) GRRM’s honest for real assistant… GRRM also played PNP games with Ty, though IIRC he never played in the actual Expanse campaign that preceded the first book.
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bou posted:From the teaser they seem to deliver on the most important clash of the series in the upcoming episode. I mean, Avasarala is single now and the polycule did lose a member to Marco in series 5 ...
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bou posted:From the teaser they seem to deliver on the most important clash of the series in the upcoming episode. I don't know where this is going, but I am irrationally excited to see how Avasarala and Drummer are going to clash swords. Goddamnit I've got to read the books.
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Checking out so that I can enjoy both episodes back to back on the 15th
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mom and dad fight a lot posted:I don't know where this is going, but I am irrationally excited to see how Avasarala and Drummer are going to clash swords. You should, though whatever's going on here is TV only so us filthy book readers don't entirely know where it's going either.
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In the books did the Mormons end up going through the ring to their own planet?
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Grand Fromage posted:You should, though whatever's going on here is TV only so us filthy book readers don't entirely know where it's going either. Yeah in the books(only a minor spoiler for the books, can't be a spoiler for the show if you've seen that teaser above) not only does she never meet Drummer but she also never meets any of the several other characters that have been rolled into show Drummer. This particular arc is all new. Senor Tron posted:In the books did the Mormons end up going through the ring to their own planet? I'll shut up about book stuff after this but I think we can agree this won't be brought up in the show: the Mormons are never really mentioned again except for a few mentions about how they're trying to sue Fred but jurisdiction is a bitch
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Nail Rat posted:Yeah in the books(only a minor spoiler for the books, can't be a spoiler for the show if you've seen that teaser above) not only does she never meet Drummer but she also never meets any of the several other characters that have been rolled into show Drummer. they absolutely do meet in the books
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Almost through season 3, this show is so good! But it is very predictable, but I am still really addicted to watching this one or two episodes each night. Ended with the episode where a big gently caress off protomotocule thing left Venus.
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There's a thing with the books where book 4 could've been half a book, books 5 and 6 should've been one book, books 7 and 8 also could've been one book. (and possibly 9 too but I'm still actively working through it, though its destination seems obvious and everything else seems like filler (but maybe I'm wrong!)). I'm still living in a dream world where they got off slugplanet halfway through season 4 and progressed this poo poo. I genuinely get so mad when people say 'oh they needed more episodes' - like they crammed book 3 into like 6 episodes, which is basically 3 movies of storytelling and it was literally the peak of the show. Game Of Thrones had something like 15 movies(!) worth of wheel-spinning before they hit their 'rushed' ending that was actually just a failure to set anything up for that absurdly garbage finale than 'they needed more episodes'.
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Jakabite posted:they absolutely do meet in the books Oh poo poo you're right, at the end of this current story I believe. My bad.
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Silly inyalowda
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I said come in! posted:Almost through season 3, this show is so good! But it is very predictable, but I am still really addicted to watching this one or two episodes each night. Ended with the episode where a big gently caress off protomotocule thing left Venus. How the heck did you predict that?
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I said come in! posted:Almost through season 3, this show is so good! But it is very predictable, but I am still really addicted to watching this one or two episodes each night. Ended with the episode where a big gently caress off protomotocule thing left Venus. Oh yeah smart guy, what is the big gently caress off protomolecule thing going to do NOW?
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bou posted:From the teaser they seem to deliver on the most important clash of the series in the upcoming episode. god drat it gently caress why is time real
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TraderStav posted:Oh yeah smart guy, what is the big gently caress off protomolecule thing going to do NOW? Okay I did not expect it to turn into a loving ring, but i've read and seen enough sci-fi to predict that it was going to leave Venus. 
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logikv9 posted:god drat it gently caress why is time real because they created it and its reaaal
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It's a faaaaaaaaake
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One of the most absurd and yet totally realistic things about this universe is how evidence of alien life became known, followed quickly by knowledge of it being intelligent alien life, followed by it directly interfering with the solar system, and most people continuing to squabble over how the resources could be used by humans rather than considering that it could be building to something else much bigger than us.
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That whole season's background mystery is that the Protomolecule is building a THING on Venus, a WORK that needs to be completed. It was obviously going to do something at a dramatic moment. e: also the fact that all protomolecule in the solar system is connected on a FTL basis and that it can break the laws of momentum hint heavily at what it exists to do.
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Senor Tron posted:One of the most absurd and yet totally realistic things about this universe is how evidence of alien life became known, followed quickly by knowledge of it being intelligent alien life, followed by it directly interfering with the solar system, and most people continuing to squabble over how the resources could be used by humans rather than considering that it could be building to something else much bigger than us. This is basically the central thesis to the entire series.
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Senor Tron posted:One of the most absurd and yet totally realistic things about this universe is how evidence of alien life became known, followed quickly by knowledge of it being intelligent alien life, followed by it directly interfering with the solar system, and most people continuing to squabble over how the resources could be used by humans rather than considering that it could be building to something else much bigger than us. Hey now, it really reminded the Secretary General of the importance of cooperation and and a united humanity, and gently caress those guys over there who don't understand it.
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logikv9 posted:the protomolecule… was venus all along So it went to Venus and then created a ring and then penis-shaped spaceships, many of them from Mars, kept going in and out of it? All very predictable /Freud
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