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Paperhouse posted:Somehow I've never heard of this before, have you got a link to an article or something? Not doubting it, just interested. I didn't know that Djokovic was that mediocre in the past, my interest in tennis comes and goes and I just remember him bursting onto the scene and doing like you said, grinding everyone down There's much better posters about tennis who can tell you the full story and they can even throw in Nadals knee issues that have a lot in common with competition body builders. Djokovic stands out to me in the same way Froome does in the cycling world. Both had 'undiagnosed' health problems that were simultaneously mild enough to prevent them from being elite sportsmen in endurance heavy disciplines but when cured elevated them to the 99.9% of performers. To put it another way, Djokovic (And other notable names) have been at the top end of the sport for near 20 years. In a sport that requires exceptional levels of fitness with effectively a non functioning drugs testing program.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:I think FedEx was more volleyball than tennis, although I suppose Sampras could be the connection. Zalakwe posted:This joke must be completely inside baseball. I am not getting it. Tarnop posted:Using FedEx to mean Roger Federa but also Tom Hanks in Castaway was a FedEx delivery guy who got stranded on a deserted island and talked to a volleyball with a face drawn on it to stay sane Zalakwe posted:There is no sodding chance I would have got there but lol. Ahah, but also add in Pete Sampras, the previous goat tennis man, married Bridgette wilson, mortal kombat actress heiress to the Wilson sports brand fortune for which said volleyball was named! I feel I have now, fully, explained the "joke".
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I had a physical copy of the Anarchist Cookbook back in mid-90's; I used to read it in school (twas a different time). I showed out chemistry teacher the chapter on smoke bombs and he got very excited and asked if he could borrow it over night. He came back the next day and informed me and my friends that if we tried following the recipes we would at best gas ourselves to death, and quite likely lose a few fingers. We did not get to make them in class 
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can you not like loving buy the anarchist cookbook on amazon at this point? is it not an amazon prime series staring i dunno zac efron wtf lol?
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serious gaylord posted:There's much better posters about tennis who can tell you the full story and they can even throw in Nadals knee issues that have a lot in common with competition body builders. Djokovic stands out to me in the same way Froome does in the cycling world. Both had 'undiagnosed' health problems that were simultaneously mild enough to prevent them from being elite sportsmen in endurance heavy disciplines but when cured elevated them to the 99.9% of performers. Remember that four year period were you could chart Nadal’s cycling by the tournaments he’d back out of last minute with [generic injury]
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The Question IRL posted:The problem with the "sure go nuts, do all the juicing you want" is people aren't going to all stick with the same stuff. sounds good, let's see some really loving good tennis
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allowed tennis racket size is inversely proportional to amount of kick rear end drugs taken
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Scikar posted:Firstly, if a company thinks you are being too greedy, you don't want to do work for them anyway if you can afford to walk away. It's just not worth it. Secondly, this seems to surprise a lot of people but in the corporate world it's usually the opposite - if you're a consultant and you're asked to quote for some work and come back way lower than they were expecting, they assume you're cheap because you're not very good. Thirdly, whether or not your relative can justify the cost is irrelevant anyway. What matters is how much the work is worth to that company. This is all good except for the advice about making the first offer. I believe that most negotiating advice says that it is better to open. HopperUK posted:I saw a good blog once for calculating how much you should charge for art. It boils down to - imagine you are doing this full-time. How much would you need to live the life you want to live? Yearly? Work out what that boils down to hourly. Then charge a hefty whack on top of that because you also pay for supplies, and also for all the art you did BEFORE this, that wasn't sold, that is the reason you can do this art now. And that's just for selling to private customers. To a company? Rinse em. Totally agree. 15 days at 8 hours a day is 120 hours. For a skilled artist you are talking about an hourly rate of £100, so closer to £12k would be my opening. Tarnop posted:Using FedEx to mean Roger Federa but also Tom Hanks in Castaway was a FedEx delivery guy who got stranded on a deserted island and talked to a volleyball with a face drawn on it to stay sane Wasn't it a basketball? Nope, just checked. You were right. I was sure it was a basketball. Also, there have been 400 posts since I last read the thread. hosed if I am going to read them all. Anything important? therattle fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jan 7, 2022 |
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therattle posted:Totally agree. 15 days at 8 hours a day is 120 hours. For a skilled artist you are talking about an hourly rate of £100, so closer to £12k would be my opening. lol
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Maybe, and it depends exactly on the work and the company, but as Scikar posted, there is a real thing with perceived value: price yourself too low and you are often perceived as being poor quality. As for the hourly rate, a lawyer will charge £300+/hr; an artist should charge a decent amount too. They have training, skill, and talent.
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yeah i dunno. but the fact they used the person before for art and have come back for more and arent offering any help in pricing coupled with the knowledge that said artist is really wary of charging much suggests theyre hoping for a cheap deal. I'm not saying thats good or right but saying 10 grand or whatever is almost certainly going to make them baulk. I really hope someone that knows whats what weighs in cos I'd like to know the answer too.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:yeah i dunno. but the fact they used the person before for art and have come back for more and arent offering any help in pricing coupled with the knowledge that said artist is really wary of charging much suggests theyre hoping for a cheap deal. Sure, and there are ways of introducing the price that allows for negotiation if it is more than they were expecting, but if it is done in such a way that it leaves the door open/doesn't frighten the horses, then start high. Detailing how much work, materials and expertise/experience/training goes into it would help. if they dsay no way, we can't afford more than £4k and she is willing to do it for that, fine, but she is still better off than going in at £2k.
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therattle posted:Sure, and there are ways of introducing the price that allows for negotiation if it is more than they were expecting, but if it is done in such a way that it leaves the door open/doesn't frighten the horses, then start high. Detailing how much work, materials and expertise/experience/training goes into it would help. if they dsay no way, we can't afford more than £4k and she is willing to do it for that, fine, but she is still better off than going in at £2k. yep i agree
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Anarchist Cookbook was alright but all the really good stuff was on Temple of the Screaming Electron 
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Humanity may never have thought of solving the green hydrogen deficit through electrolysis of urea if it weren't for totse encouraging home scientists to make jenkem by sticking a mains lead in piss.
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Look, furry porn has really put the art world into stress testing. If you can't spit out passable cell shaded full figures for £30 a go then you're going to be outpriced.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Look, furry porn has really put the art world into stress testing. If you can't spit out passable cell shaded full figures for £30 a go then you're going to be outpriced. Nah, that's not so. I mean, yeah, people will do it cheaper, but then those aren't your customers. The kind of people who buy furry porn will pay a *lot* and those are the people you want to court. It's better to give art away if you feel charitable than to underprice it.
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If you're doing that game, you may as well sell to the worst overbidders on the planet. And then sell again straight after.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Ahah, but also add in Pete Sampras, the previous goat tennis man, married Bridgette wilson, mortal kombat actress heiress to the Wilson sports brand fortune for which said volleyball was named! I tip my decidedly working class hat.
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Zalakwe posted:I tip my decidedly working class hat. i knock it aside ready to do full battle
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Azza Bamboo posted:Look, furry porn has really put the art world into stress testing. If you can't spit out passable cell shaded full figures for £30 a go then you're going to be outpriced. Last i checked furries were the modern equivalent of the Popes & Kings of early modern Europe, commissioning all the art. Sure, you might not want to do another picture of Mary/a guy as a wolf but gently caress it, pays the rent
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Apraxin posted:Remember the outcry a few months ago when a judge decided not to jail a neo-Nazi who downloaded 70,000 white supremacist documents and bomb-making manuals, and ordered him to read some classic literature instead? Well, good news everyone: And that dashing young turk's father was....?
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Grey Hunter posted:Imagine that being the best photo they have of you, looking stoned and/or eyeless. Umm, jus looked at the article, the guy is blind. Don't get me wrong, they are both silly.
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Trickjaw posted:And that dashing young turk's father was....? Google tells me nothing!
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Trickjaw posted:Umm, jus looked at the article, the guy is blind. Don't get me wrong, they are both silly. Okay, I recind the stoned part. Didn't want to click click bait.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:i knock it aside ready to do full battle Hold on, just replacing all the blood in my body for no reason.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Ahah, but also add in Pete Sampras, the previous goat tennis man, married Bridgette wilson, mortal kombat actress heiress to the Wilson sports brand fortune for which said volleyball was named! 5d joke chess
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My ears pricked up at mention of Thames. Before Xmas I eBay'd a DVD of the complete Chance In A Million, something I've wanted to see again for a long time, as I love Rube Goldberg plotting. Thirty years, remembered it, clear as bell, being on ITV. Not so! Channel 4. False memory. Second surprise: had surmised Chance's unusual speech affectation invented by actor Callow. Also not so! Was in original script. World, crumbling. Not watched yet. As 1980s, assume actor Blethyn in lingerie every episode. Downs pint in one, stalks out, pub collapses behind self.
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Only Kindness posted:My ears pricked up at mention of Thames. Before Xmas I eBay'd a DVD of the complete Chance In A Million, something I've wanted to see again for a long time, as I love Rube Goldberg plotting. Blimey you’ve bought back some memories I thought I had buried!
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Jolly Roger's Cookbook was the one I seem to recall downloading many dead hard drives ago. Don't think I ever even opened the file.
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forkboy84 posted:Last i checked furries were the modern equivalent of the Popes & Kings of early modern Europe, commissioning all the art. Sure, you might not want to do another picture of Mary/a guy as a wolf but gently caress it, pays the rent Somewhere in deepest, darkest Didcot, there's a ceiling ablaze with colour, with bold experiments in composition, with historically literate but endlessly playful engagement with signs and signifiers, enough for centuries of critical interpretation and reinterpretation. Except, you know, it's Sonic loving the cast of Disney's robin hood
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Only Kindness posted:My ears pricked up at mention of Thames. Before Xmas I eBay'd a DVD of the complete Chance In A Million, something I've wanted to see again for a long time, as I love Rube Goldberg plotting. Another false memory here because I was certain that it had been on the Beeb, possible because of that loving terrible theme song - but now I realise the theme song in my memory isn't actually the theme of the show (which is terrible in the same ways) and I'm wondering what the theme I actually have in my head is. (Also fair play to pre-teen me who watched the first half of the first episode and decided it was basically Oh Crikey from The Young Ones and just went and played on my Spectrum as soon as I heard that theme song because my family all loving loved that show - except I don't remember the theme song right and now I think about it I probably had an Acorn in 1984 and now I don't know who I am or if I ever even had a family)
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https://twitter.com/Leon_Sverdlov/status/1479160458707976196 Why is every other country better at dissent than us?
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We like living in filth and being trodden on by our betters. A nation of paypigs.
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