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MuLepton posted:Quoting this, but this is not to disagree with you, orange. I just don’t know why people would say that deathrattle priest has no win condition. It’s clearly “punch your opponent in the face with 5/5s, 6/6s and 8/8s (some of which may be resurrected)”. Also, “shoot your opponent for 5 damage every other turn” - it’s not like the priest just sits there and does nothing except play removal. I played a lot of DR priest last month and just crafted the quest. I'd agree with this, it's more a testament to the power level of the other deck that you need to drop 5 chunky minions 4 or 5 turns in a row to get past a lot of the other decks in play.
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Olpainless posted:That heal priest looks fun. It's hilarious, check my posts upthread for a list and pls report back if you make it better.
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MuLepton posted:Quoting this, but this is not to disagree with you, orange. I just don’t know why people would say that deathrattle priest has no win condition. It’s clearly “punch your opponent in the face with 5/5s, 6/6s and 8/8s (some of which may be resurrected)”. Also, “shoot your opponent for 5 damage every other turn” - it’s not like the priest just sits there and does nothing except play removal. Fat taunt minions on turns 5/6/7 isn't a good enough wincon in modern Hearthstone. It used to be, but with the current meta everyone can either remove them all or beat you over the top with combo. The only decks that consistently lose to that game plan are... face Hunter, probably Shaman, and occasionally Paladin if you really tech for that matchup with silence and weapon removal. Literally every other meta deck doesn't care about your big stuff unless they drew horribly. The reason people call it misery Priest is because you're basically grinding to be the last man standing with a meaningful minion and/or removal. It's a wholly reactive deck, you really have no proactive plays unless you run N'Zoth (which is very, very slow) or the resurrection card (which is even slower than N'zoth somehow). I agree that it's a perception thing mostly, but it's a bit justified because the deathrattle deck doesn't play a single minion until they're on 5 mana (or got really lucky before that). Once they do put down minions, it's one at a time and since they're taunt/deathrattle you're basically forcing the opponent to trade into you instead of ever being the aggressor. Druid also has a similar reactive deck using their hero, but because of it's ramp it tends to be a lot more explosive once it actually flips the switch. Basically, Priest plays about one card per turn and in the current meta that's extremely miserable for everyone involved.
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Today I learned that Grey Sage Parrot does not care about spells with reduced cost. Playing it after a discounted 4 mana Arcane Overflow will repeat that instead of the 9 mana spell from the turn before. Yes, this may very well have always been the case with regards to discounted cards, but I found out today.
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mcbexx posted:Today I learned that Grey Sage Parrot does not care about spells with reduced cost. Playing it after a discounted 4 mana Arcane Overflow will repeat that instead of the 9 mana spell from the turn before. someone lethal'd me the other day in wild with those big parrots, potion of illusion and the time warp spell. Just by taking like 6 turns in a row and bopping me with the 4 attack parrots over and over again. It is a really cool card that I wish got way more support in the standard format.
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GTO posted:I played a lot of DR priest last month and just crafted the quest. I'd agree with this, it's more a testament to the power level of the other deck that you need to drop 5 chunky minions 4 or 5 turns in a row to get past a lot of the other decks in play. The power creeping of sets this year was pretty rough. Otoh thief rogue, while likely needing a nerf (gnoll), isn't as pure RNG bs like lyra. And Poison Rogue never stopped being viable!
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Starsfan posted:someone lethal'd me the other day in wild with those big parrots, potion of illusion and the time warp spell. Just by taking like 6 turns in a row and bopping me with the 4 attack parrots over and over again. It is a really cool card that I wish got way more support in the standard format. Yeah I got done by that once. It would suck to play against regularly but it was cool to see.
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This morning was atrocious for RNG and facing overtuned decks. There needs to be a round of nerfs for fast decks with unlimited gas. And they need to do something about coldarra drake and scabbs hero. Sure, you don't lose your turn when they spam their hero power, but their turn lasts for 5 minutes each time (at least).
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How did the Rogue get coldarra drake? If they used Lady Prestor then honestly good on them.
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victorious posted:How did the Rogue get coldarra drake? If they used Lady Prestor then honestly good on them. In standard this happens via Swashburglar
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Nah, it was with cerathine. And no, not good on them, just BM spamming their hero power for nothing.
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Amoeba102 posted:Nah, it was with cerathine. And no, not good on them, just BM spamming their hero power for nothing. Lmao that's even better. Best Ive done is a Lady Prestor deck with Demon Hunter, hoping for a Coldarra to combo with Felfire Deadeye for infinite damage hero powers.
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Couldn't you also get it from Wand Thief -> font of power?
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I was sitting there patting my cat, and they were wasting time when they were in a very dominant position. I said Coldarra drake in the core set was a wasted slot for mage. And it was, because it only enables degenerate stuff for other classes that get lucky generating it.
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fanny packrat posted:Couldn't you also get it from Wand Thief -> font of power? You could. There are a few ways to get it in rogue.
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It turns out from a recent interview with Dean that there's nobody behind the wheel for arena balance currently, since the guy who oversaw micro-adjustments recently left to join second dinner, and his pet project was a program that calculated and adjusted the arena meta which nobody now has access to 
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Beasteh posted:It turns out from a recent interview with Dean that there's nobody behind the wheel for arena balance currently, since the guy who oversaw micro-adjustments recently left to join second dinner, and his pet project was a program that calculated and adjusted the arena meta which nobody now has access to holy poo poo 
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what do you expect from a small indie company
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This dumb Zoo/Heal Priest deck makes me so happy: https://hsreplay.net/replay/vXpfzvLoDP2FazPKgGAac2 ### ZooPriest # Class: Priest # Format: Wild # # 2x (1) Crimson Clergy # 2x (1) Gift of the Naaru # 2x (1) Imprisoned Homunculus # 1x (1) Inner Fire # 2x (1) Lightwarden # 2x (1) Northshire Cleric # 2x (1) Power Word: Shield # 2x (1) Shadow Word: Devour # 2x (2) Bless # 2x (2) Holy Ripple # 2x (2) Lightwell # 2x (2) Luminous Geode # 2x (2) Upgradeable Framebot # 2x (3) Stormpike Aid Station # 2x (4) Lightsteed # 1x (4) Xyrella # AAEBAZ/HAgL4AtTtAw7lBJ0G8gz3DJH7AtOlA7C6A/rjA6LoA4SjBIajBImjBIqjBPO2BAA= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone Such a cheap Wild build for so much fun.
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thief rogue decks are just loving broken in standard. 4/5 gnoll with rush playable on turn 2. no point in playing at the moment.
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Lum_ posted:thief rogue decks are just loving broken in standard. 4/5 gnoll with rush playable on turn 2. no point in playing at the moment. You almost never see the Gnoll in Wild come join the fun.
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Lum_ posted:thief rogue decks are just loving broken in standard. 4/5 gnoll with rush playable on turn 2. no point in playing at the moment. yes the rush Yeti is annoying but is it the card that is truly broken or is it the 1 mana sprint that has been plaguing standard since it's introduction?
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Starsfan posted:yes the rush Yeti is annoying but is it the card that is truly broken or is it the 1 mana sprint that has been plaguing standard since it's introduction? Remember when passage drew 5?
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Starsfan posted:yes the rush Yeti is annoying but is it the card that is truly broken or is it the 1 mana sprint that has been plaguing standard since it's introduction? Nah, Secret Passage is fine. In general, card draw opens opportunity, while mana cheat is usually the broken thing. The rush yeti is singlehandidly dictating the entire early game meta right now, as in which minions are worth even putting into your deck to play on turns 1-3.
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Any meta where you can drop 4/4+ of stats on 1 or 2 is problematic. Fun fact - in wild, i think one of the most problematic cards for pirate decks is parachute pirate for the same reason (also any cannon card should be played, not summon/attack)
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AnacondaHL posted:Nah, Secret Passage is fine. In general, card draw opens opportunity, while mana cheat is usually the broken thing. I mean.. the rush yet is cheated down 4 or 5 mana each time they play it, but isn't that also arguably true for secret passage? It's an effect that has historically been associated with 6 mana that can be played for 1. How is that not mana cheat? (albeit of an intrinsic nature instead of something the player is actively manipulating).
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You can't keep the cards that you draw with secret passage, you have to play them that turn or trade them away or whatever. I agree it's probably still a little too strong but that's the reason it's not really a 1 mana sprint. It demands a deckbuilding restriction.
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Starsfan posted:I mean.. the rush yet is cheated down 4 or 5 mana each time they play it, but isn't that also arguably true for secret passage? It's an effect that has historically been associated with 6 mana that can be played for 1. How is that not mana cheat? (albeit of an intrinsic nature instead of something the player is actively manipulating). Yea, Secret Passage technically isn't draw, it's more like "look at 4 cards, you may play them this turn, also you can't do anything with the cards you had in hand as a downside". So 5 cards at 1-mana was under-costed enough to effectively feel like "mana cheat", but when I said the term mana cheat before I really meant adjusting the actual mana cost of stuff.
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It's official, Alliance won the AV event. Have fun Alliance players who thought they were going to have a free diamond Drek deposited to their account.
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ferroque posted:You can't keep the cards that you draw with secret passage, you have to play them that turn or trade them away or whatever. The deckbuilding restriction is putting cards in your deck that you want to play the same turn that you draw them because they either draw more cards or create value? that's not too hard to do for rogue. **and I mean I know comparing it to sprint is kind of inaccurate because sprint is (obviously) costed too highly.. like nobody is putting sprint in their deck, or Hand of Gul'dan with no way to discard it. But the feedback from everyone about the Gnoll is "I wouldn't care if it came down on turn 3 or 4, just don't let it happen on turn 1 or 2.. and secret passage is the card that enables that, as well as basically being one of the top cards in every rogue deck that has ever existed. Like I would be shocked if secret passage wasn't the most played class card in the time it's been in rotation by a wide margin. 2nd is probably swindle... don't even know what else would even come close. Starsfan fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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Navaash posted:It's official, Alliance won the AV event. go horde free vanndar
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Funny, because I wish more Classes played like Rogue in general. It's by far the most interesting Class that has an established identity.
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Navaash posted:It's official, Alliance won the AV event. gently caress.
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Just had a mage "mirror", he got quest, I got a big spell mage. I won by never playing a minion and killed him with hero power + Mask of C'thun + Magister Varden Hero. I think I played exactly 5 cards the whole match. Easily the dumbest game I have ever played in all of Hearthstone, even surpassing any Warlock/Mage Quest mirrors. http://hsreplay.net/replay/YCNje8HYpAzyvZN7nbscTm mcbexx fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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So I was trying to complete the Rolling In Their Grave achievement for having minions die while Snowfall Graveyard is active and thought I'd give Dane's Wild Deathrattle deck a go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew936QAZUnk Turns out yeah, it's good: 
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Beasteh posted:It turns out from a recent interview with Dean that there's nobody behind the wheel for arena balance currently, since the guy who oversaw micro-adjustments recently left to join second dinner, and his pet project was a program that calculated and adjusted the arena meta which nobody now has access to it's a shame, he was the guy that posted legend winrates occasionally. would be nice if another data nerd showed up Quotey fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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