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PokeJoe posted:are places really that desperate? Maybe I should stop ignoring those architect and principal recruiters before you do this, check the jobs the principal ones are advertising. 9/10 it’s for node.js or react. but ymmv
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I bit on a few of those recently and those rounds of interviews are coming to a close this week. Some MANGA interviews coming up next week.. I'm at a place in my life where selling my soul for ridiculous sums of money and then bouncing in four years when options vest seems really attractive. Before those I started interviewing at 6 places, 2 places seem pretty sucky but I went thru the interviews anyway just to get the practice. I guess what I'm saying is I'm happy I responded to the Senior Staff Engineer (Front End) jobs because I got practice explaining to product managers times I "took a risk and it didn't work out" even if I wouldn't really want that job. zombienietzsche fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jan 20, 2022 |
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A friend of mine went to a bootcamp in her mid-20s and went from 70 ->95 -> 135k at the same company over the past 4 years I've been telling her she could probably jump and make way more but she works for one of the food delivery things and gets 10 free meals a week and full remote plus 80% of your meals paid for and delivered is a hell of a benefit
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Not a Children posted:A friend of mine went to a bootcamp in her mid-20s and went from 70 ->95 -> 135k at the same company over the past 4 years 10 free meals a week is what, extra 5k over 135k base? that is a hell of a benefit indeed, but maybe in a slightly different connotation
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cinci zoo sniper posted:10 free meals a week is what, extra 5k over 135k base? that is a hell of a benefit indeed, but maybe in a slightly different connotation
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this really highlights the difference between different regions when it comes to comp. i started in dc and went 55k -> 75k -> 120k -> pittsburgh -> 150k base comp over 8 years. i'd probably be making double or more if i was in sf or ny or something. but then i'd have to live in sf and no loving thank you
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jesus WEP posted:an hour of your day not spent cooking is a bigger bennie than the 5k don’t cook every day and prepare some advance meals? either way, this is a rubbish benefit - get generic 10-30% annual cash bonus, so 3-9 times more than what they’re getting in food, and then spend 5k out of that on food if you must
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stuff that’s not hard cash or equity usually is there to literally just smokescreen that you could actually be getting paid instead
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takeaway is terrible for your health
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jesus WEP posted:an hour of your day not spent cooking is a bigger bennie than the 5k the comparison should be what it would cost to just pay for those same deliveries, in which case if you really use all 520 a year it is probably a bit low, but, eh, i'd have to agree it seems a kind of dubious benefit since i doubt you *should* (or even want) to eat 10 delivery meals a week. real easy to start liking this kind of benefit, which is why companies keep offering them, but all the more reason to remind oneself that they are invariably way worse than just getting a bit more cash.
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Her company's whole thing is that they're "balanced" meals so like 600-800 cals each. Eat 2 a day and it's supposed to be a calibrated diet. All microwave or meant to be eaten cold, with the containers meant to go into recycling. She mostly lived on carry-out and stir-fry before that, so for her it's a good deal. She could easily be making dozens of $k more but she's happy with the WFH, no-scheduled-hours, barely-any-food prep life cinci zoo sniper posted:don’t cook every day and prepare some advance meals? either way, this is a rubbish benefit - get generic 10-30% annual cash bonus, so 3-9 times more than what they’re getting in food, and then spend 5k out of that on food if you must I've said this in so many words but hell she's happy so I'm happy for her I love cooking but sometimes I wish my company would just shove calories in my face so I didn't have to think about it
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i mean, all the reasons other than not paying for food she could no doubt pay for with a fraction of a raise are perfectly fine.
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I enjoy cooking and the time spend doing it
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the comparison should be what it would cost to just pay for those same deliveries, in which case if you really use all 520 a year it is probably a bit low, but, eh, i'd have to agree it seems a kind of dubious benefit since i doubt you *should* (or even want) to eat 10 delivery meals a week. If you live in SF or NYC your kitchen probably sucks--or you may not even have one--so the appeal is bigger there.
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ultrafilter posted:If you live in SF or NYC your kitchen probably sucks--or you may not even have one--so the appeal is bigger there. "the comparison should be what it would cost to just pay for those same deliveries", i am not telling anyone who doesn't feel like it to cook, just don't count getting the food for free as a bigger benefit than what it would cost to pay for exactly the same thing (and people very often do attach themselves to that kind of stuff to an extent way beyond the monetary value).
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if the meals are pre planned they're worth more than the cost of the food delivery though
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Corla Plankun posted:if the meals are pre planned they're worth more than the cost of the food delivery though when i say "cost of those same deliveries" i don't mean cost of transport, i mean total cost of making the food be a thing you own in your house. i apparently expressed this in a very bad way, because i don't think it is a fundamentally complex idea.
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I understand logically that the meals are probably worth less than the cash that could be had elsewhere, but if I were in her position I'd find it really hard to leave
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Asleep Style posted:I understand logically that the meals are probably worth less than the cash that could be had elsewhere, but if I were in her position I'd find it really hard to leave yeah, if she likes the job and the real benefits (money, wfh, tasks, etc.) then cool on all that, people often get real stupid about some pretty worthless benefits though.
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Corla Plankun posted:if the meals are pre planned they're worth more than the cost of the food delivery though Asleep Style posted:I understand logically that the meals are probably worth less than the cash that could be had elsewhere, but if I were in her position I'd find it really hard to leave why would you just not pay for them while having way more money. this is not rocket science
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Kernel Sanders posted:takeaway is terrible for your health not all takeaway is burgers, pizza or giant lumps of batter with some bits of fish in there
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which person makes more money. John, who is paid 135k per year and annually receives, via their employer, food worth 5k at retail pricing Mary, who is paid 200k per year and annually pays 5k to John’s employer for the same food that John eats
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The_Franz posted:giant lumps of batter with some bits of fish in there get a load of mr paleo over here
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maybe it is a very strange startup which sells exclusively to its own employees
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Plorkyeran posted:maybe it is a very strange startup which sells exclusively to its own employees yeah and they live on everest and there're no vaguely similar food delivery options available, which then also makes the food to have higher economic value than any potential compensation increase or career growth
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to be clear, it's perfectly fine to not care about maximizing the financial output of your career. but you do that by saying "i understand that for me making more money is definitely not important", not by pretending that you're getting a great career deal by receiving (often worthless) corporate swag at (almost always) a fractional value of equivalent compensation.
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Plorkyeran posted:maybe it is a very strange startup which sells exclusively to its own employees apex vc grift right there
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PIZZA.BAT posted:this really highlights the difference between different regions when it comes to comp. i started in dc and went 55k -> 75k -> 120k -> pittsburgh -> 150k base comp over 8 years. i'd probably be making double or more if i was in sf or ny or something. but then i'd have to live in sf and no loving thank you theres a reason why i use the word figgieland
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bob dobbs is dead posted:theres a reason why i use the word figgieland because you're a huge weirdo in that way?
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cinci zoo sniper posted:to be clear, it's perfectly fine to not care about maximizing the financial output of your career. but you do that by saying "i understand that for me making more money is definitely not important", not by pretending that you're getting a great career deal by receiving (often worthless) corporate swag at (almost always) a fractional value of equivalent compensation. Sometimes people don’t convey all the reasoning behind the complex decisions that they make. It seems pretty likely that this person just doesn’t want to leave their job and free food is one of the things they would really miss if they were to leave. It’s okay to not mix-max every life decision.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:because you're a huge weirdo in that way? that too but location makes a 2, 3, 4x difference
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tk posted:Sometimes people don’t convey all the reasoning behind the complex decisions that they make. It seems pretty likely that this person just doesn’t want to leave their job and free food is one of the things they would really miss if they were to leave. while we agree, what im leaning into is that “free food” is not “free”, and you’re guaranteed to be paying above market for it out of your invisible compensation cap, because your employee will price the sentimental value of it. furthermore, it most likely is not an exclusive commodity that’s difficult or impossible to replace for a lesser fraction of the compensation cap. it’s not a mature factor to base your career decisions upon, unlike simply enjoying your colleagues or projects
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the only benefits that are truly free are those that every single job is guaranteed to give you
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cinci zoo sniper posted:why would you just not pay for them while having way more money. this is not rocket science no, I get it, but spending the money feels bad, while getting it for free feels good
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cinci zoo sniper posted:while we agree, what im leaning into is that “free food” is not “free”, and you’re guaranteed to be paying above market for it out of your invisible compensation cap, because your employee will price the sentimental value of it. furthermore, it most likely is not an exclusive commodity that’s difficult or impossible to replace for a lesser fraction of the compensation cap. it’s not a mature factor to base your career decisions upon, unlike simply enjoying your colleagues or projects I very much disagree that making decisions based on factors that are important to you is not a mature thing to do.
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most times most places you are not and shouldnt be doing the beep boop homo economicus thing but when you're discussing compensation is definitely an important time to be beepin and boopin there is food which is not a commodity but its like, your mom baking you an apple pie, not the corporation giving you gift cards to doordash
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tk posted:I very much disagree that making decisions based on factors that are important to you is not a mature thing to do. sure, but it is dumb to make decisions based on what you think is important to you without very careful examination. otherwise the boss will just say "we're all family here" once a week and then go on to gently caress you over for the rest of your life using that hook.
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making more money elsewhere and becoming a customer seem like a simple solution to this problem? but i definitely get wanting to avoid doing tech interviews.
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tk posted:I very much disagree that making decisions based on factors that are important to you is not a mature thing to do. whats important about company paying for your hellofresh out of your pocket without telling, when you can pay yourself for your hellofresh and know how much you spend on it? im all for a lot of sentimental factors in career decision making, but this is literal gaslighting by employers, to include ballpits or comfort food as a compensation line item cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jan 20, 2022 |
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:sure, but it is dumb to make decisions based on what you think is important to you without very careful examination. otherwise the boss will just say "we're all family here" once a week and then go on to gently caress you over for the rest of your life using that hook. You’re always going to get hosed over. Stop chasing that dragon.
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