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Chairman Capone posted:If you can find it, I'd love to read it. It's gotten kinda hard to find the completest version of it, but here it is, sadly only in stardestroyet.net bbs forum: http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=122169. The author's website is now only found on internet archive http://web.archive.org/web/20110709075711/http://www.domuspublica.net/index.html, where the thinking that led to the New Order in Power is found under Analysis. As I see it, it's the most complete attempt at making sense of the whole Imperial system in its complexity and contradictions. Very ambitious and full of tiny details from sourcebooks and obscure short stories. Advisory: The New Order in Power is a fanwork; it might be extensively sourced and footnoted (in Legends, this predates the Disneying), but still adds its own sometimes idiosyncratic creation, heavy on the greco-roman and european stylings.
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Arc Hammer posted:The redeeming thins about Revelation is that Invincible is somehow even worse. The positives -The fight between Jaina and Jacen was pretty cool -Boba Fett was in it to a minimum and he couldn't go back to Mandalore at the end as a final FU to Traviss I have to assume Negatives -Most everything else -Admiral Dala takes over and becomes a #girl boss of the galaxy Good God why did people call Kylo a ripoff of Cadus again? Did they just kinda blank all the gross stuff out and remember the interesting fall to Darkness stuff?
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Feb 9, 2022 02:33
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I think most people didn't actually read (or remember) the books and just know the character as "Han & Leia's Son turned to the dark side".
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Feb 9, 2022 20:53
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Han's son uses a legal loophole to become space president, forms the space SS to attack undesirables, and bribes his dead brother's ex girlfriend with time travel sex to go and sexually assault his underaged cousin after assassinating a foreign head of state.
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Feb 9, 2022 21:45
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“I am a genius” -Troy Denning
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Feb 9, 2022 21:48
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And he was inspired to do so by a space bdsm dominatrix cyborg nazi.
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Feb 9, 2022 21:58
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setting aside the time travel sex this all does sound somewhat like kylo ren. and also assuming snoke was into space bdsm
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Feb 9, 2022 22:04
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Jazerus posted:setting aside the time travel sex this all does sound somewhat like kylo ren. and also assuming snoke was into space bdsm Dude, Snoke walks around his flagship in a golden bathrobe what do you think?
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Feb 9, 2022 23:38
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I was watching these neat videos from 2010 with Timothy Zahn and Aaron Alliston talking about Star Wars writing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqbs1A7Wd0gPt 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_mPrG9hdLMPt 2
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Feb 11, 2022 20:12
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Did any of the old Legends material for the Clone Wars discuss the immediate aftermath of Geonosis? There had to have been a brief period of mass mobilization for the Grand Army. It rushed headfirst into Geonosis and won a major tactical victory, but that's hardly the best way to plan for a full scale galactic war, especially when the rest of the Republic was in no way ready to suddenly start pumping out a war machine to support the Grand Army.
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Feb 13, 2022 02:15
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Well given that they had enough kit to arm, equip, transport, and support the invasion it seems pretty likely that Rothana Heavy Engineering were on board and building stuff. Presumably nobody did any forensic accounting before the Republic fell outside of the Clone Commando books, and nobody wanted to do much of it afterwards.
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Feb 13, 2022 02:31
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at a minimum ol sheevy p must have had kuat drive yards (of kuat (owned by kuat of kuat)) working on star destroyers for years before the whole thing kicked off
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Feb 13, 2022 02:35
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It’s one thing if you just have the operation of Kamino pumping out clones. It’s in the middle of nowhere and most people don’t even know it exists. All the other stuff is a gigantic arms buildup that would have been noticed by someone but you’re just expected to suspend your disbelief.
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Feb 13, 2022 02:39
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I suppose we're intended to just trust that the whole thing was funded quietly and since the Republic let everyone buy their own system defence fleets and mercenary armies then Rothana Heavy Engineering just assumed it was for one of those.
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Feb 13, 2022 02:51
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As far as I can see, the only sources that touch on it in any detail are the Chronology, Jason Fry's Guide to Warfare, and Traviss's Order 66 book where they uncover that one of Coruscant's moon's is secretly housing a gigantic postwar occupation force. The Chronology and Warfare books briefly state that the early months of the war were very tough because the Republic's shipbuilding industry hadn't fully come online yet, so the original Geonosis army was stretched thin covering vital areas while the Seps dug into their bases in the Outer Rim.
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Feb 13, 2022 02:57
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Honest question, I always get a twinge of confusion reading Zahn when he presents Stormtroopers as the "cream of the crop" of Imperial troops, an Elite fighting force. I know there are some Stormtrooper regiments like the 501st who even in the Lucas-canon are considered top-notch, but I feel like this Zahn-take goes counter to how Stormtroopers are portrayed in the movies; hapless dime-a-dozen soldiers with scary armor. I know that in the movie we mostly only see them when they're up against the protagonists so they're going to lose, but besides the opening to ANH we don't really see Stormtroopers kick butt and take names at any other time, so I'm not sure how Zahn can justify his interpretation.
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Feb 14, 2022 01:13
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It’s a contradiction present in the original trilogy as well. They’re supposed to be the premiere fighting force in the galaxy but when they’re up against the main characters who all have plot armor they fail miserably. Zahn tries to keep the idea that they’re something to be feared, and makes sure to mention that there’s less elite Imperial soldiers. But most other authors just use Stormtroopers as generic bad guy henchmen.
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Feb 14, 2022 01:44
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Honest question, I always get a twinge of confusion reading Zahn when he presents Stormtroopers as the "cream of the crop" of Imperial troops, an Elite fighting force. I know there are some Stormtrooper regiments like the 501st who even in the Lucas-canon are considered top-notch, but I feel like this Zahn-take goes counter to how Stormtroopers are portrayed in the movies; hapless dime-a-dozen soldiers with scary armor. I know that in the movie we mostly only see them when they're up against the protagonists so they're going to lose, but besides the opening to ANH we don't really see Stormtroopers kick butt and take names at any other time, so I'm not sure how Zahn can justify his interpretation. Not that I disagree with the overall point but they're pretty effective on Hoth as well.
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Feb 14, 2022 01:56
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These blast points too accurate for sandpeople. Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise. Meanwhile Sandpeople can snipe a podracer going 800km/h
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Feb 14, 2022 02:22
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Ben Kenobi, space racist
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Feb 14, 2022 02:27
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Arc Hammer posted:These blast points too accurate for sandpeople. Only Imperial stormtroopers are so precise. No, that just means Stormtroopers are even more accurate.
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Feb 14, 2022 03:13
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Zahn was working off Star Wars RPG sourcebooks that, iirc, had already established a bunch of Imperial military structure with elite Stormtroopers and whatever. He may have just shrugged and gone along.
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Feb 14, 2022 06:13
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Watching the original trilogy again these days I get the impression that the blocks of guys marching in black uniforms on the Death Star are intended to be "Imperial Army" type troops as well as naval gunners etc. I'm pretty sure they are wearing mostly the same uniforms as the troops on Mimban that we see in Solo, except for the helmets and the colour, because they were re-used for General Veers in ESB.
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Feb 14, 2022 11:30
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Maybe they're elite because they don't do a ton of drugs to cope with their PTSD and brain injuries and murder each other all the time like irl special forces. They're well adjusted and stable.
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In The New Rebellion, there's a plot point about a blanket amnesty of former Imperials that lets them join the New Republic. There's a part talking about the law that goes:quote:Leia had modified the election law with the help of her backers-no former stormtroopers could hold office, no Imperial of rank, no former Imperial governor-in short, no Imperial with access to power in the Empire could serve the New Republic. It always struck me how stormtroopers were grouped with moffs in terms of fanatical and elite Imperial officials.
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Feb 14, 2022 16:11
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Stormtroopers are the SS Divisions as opposed to the Imperial Army emulating the Heer. Stormtroopers are intentional terror troops and death squads committing war crimes, at least in the old Legends.
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Feb 14, 2022 18:30
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I wish that interpretation was supported by the OT because it actually is a good idea, but I think you only see what are considered by Legends as "Ground Troops" a few times, and never in a direct combat operation (Except in ROTJ?). I liked in Solo that it seemed to be a thing, with Solo being one of the PBI, but all the other movies just point the other way with Stormtroopers being the average grunt. Also, nearly done with Survivor's Quest, pretty good novel, but I feel that with each Zahn novel I read the number of traps, twists, and secret plots being used by characters just keeps increasing and increasing. After a while it starts distracting from the plot, and is a little tiresome.
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Feb 14, 2022 19:06
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So they're doing a nu-canon version of The Courtship of Princess Leia, and surprise surprise it's a tie-in novel for the Disney theme park Star Wars hotel.. Not that CoPL was a great book or anything, but the stuff it introduced about Dathomir and Hapes was a huge part of the Legends continuity and is still being referenced all over the place, so it's a little disappointing that the story that laid all that groundwork is being replaced with a promo for the inevitable Disney Star Wars Wedding Package.
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Robot Style posted:So they're doing a nu-canon version of The Courtship of Princess Leia, and surprise surprise it's a tie-in novel for the Disney theme park Star Wars hotel.. quote:After a ceremony at the site of the victory celebration at the end of the film, the newlyweds depart for a honeymoon aboard the Halcyon starcruiser, the luxury vessel at the heart of the new Star Wars: Galactic Starcruiser experience at Disney World Resort. Okay, I've defended a lot about the new canon and Disney stuff. But the sentence I just quoted is just...too much. I'm gonna go throw up.
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the author at least seems to have taken "make leia and han actually have their chemistry from ESB" seriously, based on that interview, so maybe the core of the book will be solid despite being a luxury wedding ad
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On the other hand, it'll be fun to ask cast members which room Kylo Ren was conceived in and watch them deal with that.Crazy Joe Wilson posted:I wish that interpretation was supported by the OT because it actually is a good idea, but I think you only see what are considered by Legends as "Ground Troops" a few times, and never in a direct combat operation (Except in ROTJ?). I liked in Solo that it seemed to be a thing, with Solo being one of the PBI, but all the other movies just point the other way with Stormtroopers being the average grunt.  We kind of just have to assume that the protagonists always see the special forces because the protagonists are doing protagonist things and taking on the toughest jobs.
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What little I’ve seen about it says it’s surprisingly cheap looking for what you pay for it.
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Arquinsiel posted:On the other hand, it'll be fun to ask cast members which room Kylo Ren was conceived in and watch them deal with that. The correct answer is somewhere in the Falcon.
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fartknocker posted:The correct answer is somewhere in the Falcon. 
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thrawn527 posted:Okay, I've defended a lot about the new canon and Disney stuff. But the sentence I just quoted is just...too much. I'm gonna go throw up. It's funny how every single advertising campaign Disney has attempted for this has just crashed and burned, even among the most diehard YouTube Disney freaks. This is just the one thing that finally went over the line for Disney fan PR.
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Arquinsiel posted:On the other hand, it'll be fun to ask cast members which room Kylo Ren was conceived in and watch them deal with that. Yeah, that makes sense, and I can see the protags as having advantages over the Stormtroopers; A) they're good fighters themselves, and B) seems like the Stormtroopers are always ordered to capture not kill them (Although I was watching ROTJ again the other day with my son, and kind of had to ignore the really dumb moment during the Endor battle where some troopers stop and try to take prisoner Han and Leia, who are trying to break in to the bunker). I always liked the Snowtroopers. Thrawn527 posted:Okay, I've defended a lot about the new canon and Disney stuff. But the sentence I just quoted is just...too much. I'm gonna go throw up. Given that we already know the marriage crashes and burns, I feel nothing toward this book. I'll have to give Courtship a go sometime soon.
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Now of course so much of the EU was about fighting against various Imperial Remnant forces. So they probably dressed any schmuck they could in Stormtrooper armor in an attempt to maintain legitimacy.
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thrawn527 posted:Okay, I've defended a lot about the new canon and Disney stuff. But the sentence I just quoted is just...too much. I'm gonna go throw up. isnt the hotel cheap as gently caress looking and overly star trek looking? also do you get a complimentary roofie rape ray gun?
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Yeah, that makes sense, and I can see the protags as having advantages over the Stormtroopers; A) they're good fighters themselves, and B) seems like the Stormtroopers are always ordered to capture not kill them (Although I was watching ROTJ again the other day with my son, and kind of had to ignore the really dumb moment during the Endor battle where some troopers stop and try to take prisoner Han and Leia, who are trying to break in to the bunker). I always liked the Snowtroopers.
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Casimir Radon posted:Now of course so much of the EU was about fighting against various Imperial Remnant forces. So they probably dressed any schmuck they could in Stormtrooper armor in an attempt to maintain legitimacy. i think most of the remnant sourced their stormtroopers and officers from carida until kyp, uh, did the thing, which is when the remnant splintered for real into a bunch of disconnected warlords
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