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totally not racist that you’d go around saying all these black and brown people are too narcissist and feeble minded to link up hands with the most racist empire that was build on idpol
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skipmyseashells posted:I’m not the one saying america is the vanguard and that every non white leftist is a feeble minded CIA op
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Feb 15, 2022 22:14
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Crowsbeak posted:I voted Kamala in 2020.
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Feb 15, 2022 22:21
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Yeah. That’s a lie. Comrade Caleb had her perfectly pegged in his wonderful book about her. You should all listen to his interview with Twink Revolution. Crowsbeak has issued a correction as of 22:34 on Feb 15, 2022 |
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Feb 15, 2022 22:25
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Crowsbeak posted:Got news for you. Most poc unlike you touch grass. So they’re quite strong minded. Now if you chose to touch grass all would be fine. change your name to vaushbeak
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Feb 15, 2022 22:27
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skipmyseashells posted:change your name to vaushbeak  . Shouldn’t Vaush be right up your alley? He also appeals to shut ins like yourself. Also Vaush I believe called a great Marxist Leninist like Caleb a nazi for supporting Russia and Syria in their opposition to American imperialism.
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Feb 15, 2022 22:37
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Crowsbeak posted:Yeah. That’s a lie. Comrade Caleb had her perfectly pegged in his wonderful book about her. You should all listen to his interview with Twink Revolution. i would rather die
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Feb 16, 2022 00:24
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[mad about a read settlers thread in 2022] touch grass,
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crowsbeak dude just take the L and move on
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Feb 16, 2022 01:20
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Crowsbeak posted:Also, idpol is for the feeble minded and narcissists. Either way it shows why the USSR should be celebrated for its mental health system. the ussr explicitly made the self-determination and autonomy of oppressed nations a top priority in its governance. you'd know that if you actually read a single word of lenin's or even stalin's, which you and the jingoistic morons you worship clearly haven't. you have no idea what you're talking about because, as already stated, you're a big fat phony.
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Feb 16, 2022 01:33
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R. Guyovich posted:the ussr explicitly made the self-determination and autonomy of oppressed nations a top priority in its governance. you'd know that if you actually read a single word of lenin's or even stalin's, which you and the jingoistic morons you worship clearly haven't. you have no idea what you're talking about because, as already stated, you're a big fat phony. Remind me did it say that all Russians are inherently evil devils who were incapable of revolution? I think some people not named Lenin or Stalin may have said that... Actually Lenin has a essay excoriating people who said they were incapable of revolution. Maybe you shouldn’t be a phony. And also touch grass. I mean as always the fact none of you actually talk to regular people is readily apparent.
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Feb 16, 2022 01:54
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Crowsbeak posted:Remind me did it say that all Russians are inherently evil devils who were incapable of revolution? I think some people not named Lenin or Stalin may have said that... Actually Lenin has a essay excoriating people who said they were incapable of revolution. Maybe you shouldn’t be a phony. And also touch grass. Not to pile on but when you talk to "regular" people what do you talk about?
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Greg Legg posted:Not to pile on but when you talk to "regular" people what do you talk about? Let’s see here. I talk about family life. How prices are too high. We talk about how maybe it be nice if the CTC that Trump did allow should be permanent and how America has its own problems and should let the Ukrainians and Syrians sort themselves out. Also movies, best arrows to buy. And the insane price of ammunition. Plus next date we’ll go target shooting.
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10% of sid’s career goals are against philly that’s crazy
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Crowsbeak posted:Let’s see here. I talk about family life. How prices are too high. We talk about how maybe it be nice if the CTC that Trump did allow should be permanent and how America has its own problems and should let the Ukrainians and Syrians sort themselves out. Also movies, best arrows to buy. And the insane price of ammunition. Plus next date we’ll go target shooting. 
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Crowsbeak posted:Let’s see here. I talk about family life. How prices are too high. We talk about how maybe it be nice if the CTC that Trump did allow should be permanent and how America has its own problems and should let the Ukrainians and Syrians sort themselves out. Also movies, best arrows to buy. And the insane price of ammunition. Plus next date we’ll go target shooting. You think the people you're arguing with here don't talk about these things with other people? I'm assuming your response was in good faith and I'm asking with the same.
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Greg Legg posted:You think the people you're arguing with here don't talk about these things with other people? I'm assuming your response was in good faith and I'm asking with the same. Considering they follow me to other threads. I used to do that. When I didn’t actually try to have a normal life. Also. R.’s posting style reveals this. Also Maupin is a true Marxist Leninist. As true as The Man of Steel.
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Crowsbeak posted:Remind me did it say that all Russians are inherently evil devils who were incapable of revolution? I think some people not named Lenin or Stalin may have said that... Actually Lenin has a essay excoriating people who said they were incapable of revolution. Maybe you shouldn’t be a phony. And also touch grass. much like i suspect you've invented people who tolerate your presence in daily life, you've crafted an imagined version of your enemies based on half-remembered summaries of texts you haven't read stalin wrote a seminal text about the need to combat great russian chauvinism! the bolsheviks were not demanding a kinder gentler version of the russian empire! you are incredibly stupid!
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There's nothing more sweaty and online than trying to be the normie whisperer and lecturing people about how things are in the Real World. I get the feeling that the sarcastic mentioning of the first world being the vanguard is mainly aimed at Crowsbeak. Regardless, its a sentiment that could be aimed at my previous comments. Perhaps I don't have enough faith in third-world anti imperialist movements to succeed. It's just hard to see how the material advantages of, for example, the US over Latin America can be overcome without internal movements that are sympathetic to foreign socialist causes in the US. In order for these internal movements to affect US foreign policy in any substantive way; they have to acquire power of some sort. Which means appealing to people in the US. Seeking to address issues like healthcare, environmental devastation, and rent-seeking isn't just throwing a few treats at the labor aristocracy. If these goals are pushed by a movement with a consistent ideology that connects these domestic issues to the issues that oppressed populations in other parts of the world faced, it could be a way of building solidarity against international capital and the present world system of imperialism. Even if genuine socialism can only be built in the periphery, at least at first, it'd be easier to build socialism in say Bolivia or Venezuela without the constant threat of sanctions and coups.
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R. Guyovich posted:much like i suspect you've invented people who tolerate your presence in daily life, you've crafted an imagined version of your enemies based on half-remembered summaries of texts you haven't read Nowhere does he in “on the National Question” call on the Russian Nation to be destroyed. I am formally fir a federation of many peoples. But then Settlers and it’s adherents treat an entire potion of the people as a irredeemable body of bloodthirsty demons. Meanwhile we have the posts of this piece of CIA lies that shows nothing but contempt for the entirety of Americans whatever their ethnicity. I mean such contempt outside of being anti materialist, also belies a utter cluelessness about the real world. Not that I would suspect anything more from the dupes of a psyop.
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Crowsbeak posted:But then Settlers and it’s adherents treat an entire potion of the people as a irredeemable body of bloodthirsty demons. Meanwhile we have the posts of this piece of CIA lies that shows nothing but contempt for the entirety of Americans whatever their ethnicity. I mean such contempt outside of being anti materialist, also belies a utter cluelessness about the real world. Not that I would suspect anything more from the dupes of a psyop. no they don't. again, you haven't read it and you have no idea what people believe because you're just regurgitating stuff youtubers and twitch streamers told you.
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you dumb motherfuckers don't even know who developed the idea of a labor aristocracy in the first place.
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R. Guyovich posted:no they don't. again, you haven't read it and you have no idea what people believe because you're just regurgitating stuff youtubers and twitch streamers told you. I have. It’s full of errors like it’s suggestion in the 17th century the majority of forced labor were Africans. The evidence available in the 1980s already proved that to be a lie. But then I don’t expect a feeble minded person like yourself to actually doublecheck anything. Also was not aware that Bernard Bailtn and Kevin Phillips had streaming Channels. Could you kindly link them. I think many of your fellow feeble minded types could learn much from them. Also labor aristocracy , something that was dying in the 1980s and is non existent now. Wow R. Maybe you should look at Saint Louis, or Baltimore, or Youngstown and tell me where the Labour Aristocracy is...
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unwantedplatypus posted:There's nothing more sweaty and online than trying to be the normie whisperer and lecturing people about how things are in the Real World. sorry no, material analysis says otherwise, the people of the us have to stop benefiting from brutalizing the rest of world before they will really be able to oppose capital. that people en-mass will come to some moral conclusion to cut their own throats is delusional, and is exactly why you can't expect the tzar or congress or goldman or whomever to fix anything otoh, if you grant that fall of the us empire is a prerequisite, you know so that the revolutionaries are not contained or murdered, the space opens up for revolution in the former imperial core precisely because it has ceased to be the imperial core
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if russia, of all place, could be a place that sparks socialism around the world i'm not going write off anywhere. but that's after losing wars and multiple aborted revolutions so not today and not via tepid reform
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The brutalization of the third world and the mass incarceration of predominantly PoC Americans are inter-related phenomena. Similarly the commodification of healthcare internally is related to denying healthcare internationally to protect pharmaceutical company profits. I think its interesting that your go-to example of who I think will save us are examples of the ruling class; when I explicitly mentioned internally oppressed populations. It's a misrepresentation of what I said. Cutting one's throat is an act of suicide. I don't think dismantling empire is comparable. It would mean less consumption, yes; but less consumption on a societal scale is not equivalent to suicide on a personal scale.
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Brain Candy posted:if russia, of all place, could be a place that sparks socialism around the world i'm not going write off anywhere. but that's after losing wars and multiple aborted revolutions so not today and not via tepid reform Russia was a non-industrialized peasant economy that had not gone through a previous liberal revolution. The material conditions are incredibly different; though of course them being different does not rule out a revolution for the US eventually.
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Crowsbeak posted:Also labor aristocracy , something that was dying in the 1980s and is non existent now. Wow R. Maybe you should look at Saint Louis, or Baltimore, or Youngstown and tell me where the Labour Aristocracy is... you're referring to internal colonies that are superexploited in much the same manner as the third world, and disproportionately count the oppressed nationalities of the united states in their populations. the tendency of the rate of profit to fall means the share of imperialist superprofits is narrowing, wealth is flowing upward and more people are falling out of the petit bourgeoisie. that phenomenon doesn't disprove anything lenin said about the labor aristocracy, it confirms it! as does your post! you're inadvertently making my case for me! i hate to sound like a broken record but you are stupid!
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unwantedplatypus posted:The brutalization of the third world and the mass incarceration of predominantly PoC Americans are inter-related phenomena. Similarly the commodification of healthcare internally is related to denying healthcare internationally to protect pharmaceutical company profits. yes they are, abstractly, and only visibly after a political education how does this unwantedplatypus posted:Which means appealing to people in the US. Seeking to address issues like healthcare, environmental devastation, and rent-seeking isn't just throwing a few treats at the labor aristocracy. translate into dismantling the extraction mechanism that has previously been used to buy off these issues? isn't that at the end of the day the core of the sanders message, a return to a partnership between capital and labor. that the money hose that fueled the suburbs and cheap college gets turned back on? unwantedplatypus posted:I think its interesting that your go-to example of who I think will save us are examples of the ruling class; when I explicitly mentioned internally oppressed populations. it was intended to provoke; i think you are making a mistake based on a desire that reform is possible quote:Cutting one's throat is an act of suicide. I don't think dismantling empire is comparable. It would mean less consumption, yes; but less consumption on a societal scale is not equivalent to suicide on a personal scale. in the long run you are right of course, it is wiser to dismantle the empire. but that doesn't make actual human beings embedded in a framework that values numbers rising immediately do it. or do you think people generally not being communists in the first world is merely a matter of education? in no way i am claiming some moral defect, rather that people are molded to the system they find themselves in. that, in addition, a desire to not have the system in which they reside to some degree of success collapse is normal and should be anticipated
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Crowsbeak posted:All the while declaring the people who you’re too afraid to leave your basement to meet
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Brain Candy posted:yes they are, abstractly, and only visibly after a political education Brain Candy posted:political education Sanders never focused on foreign policy and is not a socialist. These issues could be pushed by a movement that focuses on political education, and has an outspoken and consistent political ideology connecting internal issues to the issues of the global south.
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I do not believe that reform is possible in the first world under the present world system; at the very least, not reform through legitimate political pathways
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unwantedplatypus posted:Sanders never focused on foreign policy and is not a socialist. These issues could be pushed by a movement that focuses on political education, and has an outspoken and consistent political ideology connecting internal issues to the issues of the global south. in the world right now there is a almost-global pandemic because of a separation of cause from effect by two whole weeks. that you'd be able to convince people broadly that healthcare is intimately tied to the issues of the global south, in a manner that totally contradicts their current ideology and absent a massive cache of trust, is an absurd notion
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I feel deeply shameful that I never got past chapter 4 but asked some pretty dumbassed questions anyway; puttin in the time to make up for that. currently partway through chapter 4; it's cutting in a "hey stupid, think about it: regardless of the numbers, how loving monstrous does a society need to be to systemically annihilate entire groups of people just to take their land and destroy their social progress? that remind you of any group of people that maybe acted like that later on, around the early-to-mid 20c?" kind of way really highlights just how relatively frequently coordinated campaigns must have been carried out, by definition; regardless of any specific statistics mentioned, those massacres (sorry REMOVALS, wouldn't want to be offensive) had to have happened with at a frequency *at least* matching the population center density of what, 10k+ square miles, in the 1700s/1800s? even if we had no numbers, a fuckin monstrous campaign of a shameful people who refused to adapt or work when given the option of a new way of life that was obviously working, enough to make these fuckin nodicks jealous ...but it did give us del taco, so, who can say if america truly is a "demon cracker nation" Brain Candy posted:isn't that at the end of the day the core of the sanders message, a return to a partnership between capital and labor. that the money hose that fueled the suburbs and cheap college gets turned back on? yeah between settlers and other reading, these two thoughts in particular have been bouncing around inside my head for a while, with that bolded one being quite an uncomfortable thought without me being totally able/willing to articulate/investigate why pedantic labels aside like whether or not sanders is a socialist, it makes even the theoretical win of m4a/housing4all/education4all in cores feel extremely, extremely dirty because we already know what happens when that complacency happens what a lovely loving timeline, goddamn unwantedplatypus posted:I do not believe that reform is possible in the first world under the present world system; at the very least, not reform through legitimate political pathways I think BC is saying, and I loving hate that I'm typing this: if you actually made things better in the cores for the people living in them, you'd have even less likelihood to achieve reform outside of the cores, and if you're not considering the world as a whole (i.e. the necessity to improve non-core regions as a primary objective, i.e. to raise non-core quality of life because they are literally the most in dire need and their suffering is the source of core prosperity) you're kind of still... thinking like a settler 
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unwantedplatypus posted:I get the feeling that the sarcastic mentioning of the first world being the vanguard is mainly aimed at Crowsbeak. Regardless, its a sentiment that could be aimed at my previous comments. Perhaps I don't have enough faith in third-world anti imperialist movements to succeed. It's just hard to see how the material advantages of, for example, the US over Latin America can be overcome without internal movements that are sympathetic to foreign socialist causes in the US. In order for these internal movements to affect US foreign policy in any substantive way; they have to acquire power of some sort. Which means appealing to people in the US. Seeking to address issues like healthcare, environmental devastation, and rent-seeking isn't just throwing a few treats at the labor aristocracy. If these goals are pushed by a movement with a consistent ideology that connects these domestic issues to the issues that oppressed populations in other parts of the world faced, it could be a way of building solidarity against international capital and the present world system of imperialism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYR2TPFxrJE BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 07:35 on Feb 16, 2022 |
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