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Midjack posted:Someone finally made it!  Another inductee to the Old Ones thread.
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discoukulele posted:Question, though - when we saw Londo and G'Kar's deaths in the time jump episode awhile back, Londo said that Centauri Prime had been destroyed because of Sheridan's 12-year campaign. Is the implication that Sheridan launched an attack because of the attempt on his son (the Keeper gift)? In this episode, someone mentions "the incident with his son". Now you've seen the whole show, you can ask these questions in the TVIV thread. We'll be able to answer them in more detail and with less hesitation there, so pop across and join us.
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Jedit posted:Now you've seen the whole show, you can ask these questions in the TVIV thread. We'll be able to answer them in more detail and with less hesitation there, so pop across and join us. TVIV thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3785889 This is the one with all spoilers all the time so if you're still watching through for the first time you may want to stay out of there.
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Midjack posted:TVIV thread: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3785889 Don’t hold off if you’re worried about Crusade spoilers though because nobody talks about Crusade
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Is there a DS9 blind watch thread? I wasn't able to find it. If not, I might start one if there's any interest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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discoukulele posted:Is there a DS9 blind watch thread? I wasn't able to find it. If not, I might start one if there's any interest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm sure people from the star trek threads would be interested in reading it
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I stumbled on this thread and was inspired to watch, and I'm really glad I did. It's one of the last few big scifi shows I haven't seen yet and I'm in love. Not quite as much as I love TNG, or as strongly as I attached to SG-1 in my first viewing last year, but it's still got me up at 6am binging it  Just finished season 1, episode 10 "Believers" (as in, the titles are rolling right now lol), and while I really like the episode, I realised something -- most of these sci-fis have morals, hell, most of the bab5 episodes have some kind of moral, but I'm not even sure what this one would be. Maybe something like "You cannot take the authority of fate" or "Lol those hardcore religious types really are hosed up eh?" which doesn't really fit with the theme of the show !
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alexandriao posted:I stumbled on this thread and was inspired to watch, and I'm really glad I did. It's one of the last few big scifi shows I haven't seen yet and I'm in love. Not quite as much as I love TNG, or as strongly as I attached to SG-1 in my first viewing last year, but it's still got me up at 6am binging it The moral of the story in Believers is basically “this ain’t Star Trek kids”. Nothing about the resolution is clean, or simple, or satisfying. If it was a Trek episode (especially TNG) it’d’ve been all three. The point is to hammer home as hard as possible that “Babylon Five is a place where sometimes bad things happen for no good reason and that’s just how it is.”
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Chevy Slyme posted:The moral of the story in Believers is basically “this ain’t Star Trek kids”. Nothing about the resolution is clean, or simple, or satisfying. If it was a Trek episode (especially TNG) it’d’ve been all three. The point is to hammer home as hard as possible that “Babylon Five is a place where sometimes bad things happen for no good reason and that’s just how it is.” That's valid, and I can get why they would want to communicate that ("We're using the trappings of trek but please don't push us into the same wheelhouse") but I think the episode was a fair bit more satisfying than a fair few of Trek's. It went about as well as I'd expected from the beginning, the telegraphing was pretty clear, and the doctor's speech about being expected to be god, and this time, taking the authority was well framed overall
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I really liked episode nine's resolution where the Vorlons just swoop on in and blow up the immortal fucker up with a "hi, yeah you're not ready for that, bye now". Very satisfying and it surprised me how opposed I am to immortality. Like, maybe I would like to be immortal, but immortality for one is unfair and horrific. Immortality for everyone denies societal change and ensures fractionation and stagnation.
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alexandriao posted:That's valid, and I can get why they would want to communicate that ("We're using the trappings of trek but please don't push us into the same wheelhouse") but I think the episode was a fair bit more satisfying than a fair few of Trek's. It went about as well as I'd expected from the beginning, the telegraphing was pretty clear, and the doctor's speech about being expected to be god, and this time, taking the authority was well framed overall It's also an episode that establish that Franklin always consider himself to be in the right. He's not out of touch, it's the patients that are wrong.
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Alhazred posted:It's also an episode that establish that Franklin always consider himself to be in the right. He's not out of touch, it's the patients that are wrong. More on the believers Franklin is legally wrong. Is he morally right or wrong can be debated. Factually he is correct and parents and their culture is poo poo, but it isn't our place to 'fix it'. Alien species aren't subjects to human laws/morality when dealing with their own people. Which is a necessary for a neutral station to work. Human alliance isn't USA and can't force their cultural values on aliens. Aliens want to kill their young? As long as it doesn't disrupt the functioning of the station.  Narns doing Narn things? Not our problem. Narns and Centauris having disagreement? That's a problem.
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alexandriao posted:I stumbled on this thread and was inspired to watch, and I'm really glad I did. It's one of the last few big scifi shows I haven't seen yet and I'm in love. Not quite as much as I love TNG, or as strongly as I attached to SG-1 in my first viewing last year, but it's still got me up at 6am binging it My friend... have I got some good news for you.
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adhuin posted:More on the believers Is that true? Either part.
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Vitruvian Manic posted:Is that true? They wanted a cure that didn't touch the body. So, yeah. Factually he was right, and they did want him to act like and perform the function of a minor god. They just didn't want to cede over that godly authority Alhazred posted:It's also an episode that establish that Franklin always consider himself to be in the right. He's not out of touch, it's the patients that are wrong. From my own (disabled) interactions with medical staff, I'm pretty sure most GPs have a god complex on some level or another, and given common representations of doctors in other science fiction shows, it's what the audience expects of their doctors somewhat, too. It's nice to see it made explicit. Winifred Madgers posted:My friend... have I got some good news for you. I had tried to get into this before! The Trek thread just wouldn't shut up about it, so I pulled down the first three seasons and it just didn't take. Turns out, I needed to watch The Gathering first to get a grip on the characters. It didn't really work for me without that first episode !
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Now that's interesting, often people will say that The Gathering, being a pilot and also not very good, isn't strictly necessary. A lot of the relevant material is covered again, well enough, in S1 proper. But I'm glad it worked for you, and now you have very good things coming.
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alexandriao posted:They wanted a cure that didn't touch the body. So, yeah. Factually he was right, and they did want him to act like and perform the function of a minor god. They just didn't want to cede over that godly authority In episode 2 we see souls leaving a physical vessel when it is opened. So I'm not sure why, in universe, cutting someone open releasing their soul is an unreasonable (let alone straight up wrong) belief to have.
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I just finished season 1. I hope that commander guy figures out what happens to him, that felt really sad that he almost had a chance to, but it was snatched away but lovely earthers  . So far my favourite race is the Vorlons, barring Londo as a character. The Vorlons just going "haha gently caress you. nah ur not ready for that" or just generally being mysterious motherfuckers is played really well, and how can anyone not take delight in Londo? He acts it so well that it's contagious!Not sure why season 2 is starting on a totally different dude. I forget sometimes that there's a year between these seasons back in the day, and so there was room to refresh people before picking up plot threads. I liked a lot of these stories. Also, are the station port guard rails in E:D an deliberate callback to this show?
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alexandriao posted:Not sure why season 2 is starting on a totally different dude. Behind the scenes stuff. O'Hare was severely mentally ill and was barely able to keep it together in the first season. He had to leave the show to deal with that.
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Grand Fromage posted:Behind the scenes stuff. O'Hare was severely mentally ill and was barely able to keep it together in the first season. He had to leave the show to deal with that. oh I know I heard they had the entire story planned out in advance, how did that affect it? edit: I just went over and read his Wikipedia page. drat. He was so loving good at it too. This show seems to have collected drat good actors with health problems. alexandriao fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Feb 22, 2022 |
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alexandriao posted:oh This isn't really the thread for the heavy duty spoilers it would take to answer that question.
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Ehhh, ok. I'll keep it on the backburner. I'll probably be finished with the show by next month so it's not a long wait
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The vague but accurate answer is JMS knew that TV production involved things like actors leaving and when he planned out the show, he put in what he calls trap doors. Every character could be replaced if the actor left/got fired/whatever. The ones you can easily see in the show are the ambassadors--G'Kar, Londo, and Delenn all have aides because if any of them left, the aides could be promoted to ambassador.
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Grand Fromage posted:The vague but accurate answer is JMS knew that TV production involved things like actors leaving and when he planned out the show, he put in what he calls trap doors. Every character could be replaced if the actor left/got fired/whatever. The ones you can easily see in the show are the ambassadors--G'Kar, Londo, and Delenn all have aides because if any of them left, the aides could be promoted to ambassador. While I haven't read the key book, I do wonder about trans Delenn becoming Lennier transitioning out of devotion to Delenn and doing a strange parody of a levirate marriage.
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The hiatus is over -- my viewing partner is back in town and we're picking up with the start of season 3! s03e01 - Matters of Honor
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Powered Descent posted:s03e01 - Matters of Honor This is always hits me every time I rewatch.
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CainFortea posted:This is always hits me every time I rewatch. dun dun DAAAAH dun dun DAAAAH
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Vitruvian Manic posted:DS9 is good but different -- more constrained and more Trek (with all the good and bad and baggage that entails). What's Lexx?
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Habibi posted:What's Lexx? Fifty bucks, same as in town.
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Habibi posted:What's Lexx? The show that gives a new meaning to 'toilet rim'
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Powered Descent posted:s03e02 - Convictions I am pretty sure those are all empty containers that the lurkers took to use for themselves
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Extremely mild non-plot spoiler about Brother Theo relating to other religions: There is a later episode where he calls in some help from his God Squad buddies of a rabbi, a baptist minister, etc. It's great.
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Vitruvian Manic posted:If you are looking for a similar-but-different (albeit inferior) high to B5, I'd recommend Farscape. Okay, we have to fight now. Nobody talks smack about my space muppets.  Seriously though, Farscape is very good but a much different vibe from B5. It's also a Jim Henson Company show, so the production value is really high, especially for the alien characters. ...And I'm going back to my non-interference. Everyone enjoy their blind watch! Except you. 
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