Clarste posted:

The power creep in this game is ridiculous and has always been ridiculous. I remember getting Mistrare as my first 5* like halfway through the main story and suddenly I was playing a completely different game. And now I don't even use her because Crystal damage has limited utility!

Marluxia posted:

Currently looking at the backlog of boss simulator trials to do, and wishing there were updated guides on youtube with the latest characters to trivialize it....

CompeAnansi posted:

I'm still so far behind. I'm on like chapter 56 or something and bogged down in the grasta grinds. I have a hard time pushing through story mode because there are so many side quests.

Stickman posted:

I honestly wouldn’t bother grinding grasta. The main story doesn’t require it and it’ll come over time if you just run daily Garulea dungeons without going out of your way to grind. Definitely don’t try to outfit everyone, either, just move stuff around to whatever team you’re currently using for the content that needs grasta.

CompeAnansi posted:

Ah yeah, good point. I can just keep using my cards there and then I don't need to grind. As for progressing the story, I've been using Mana VC + Tiramisu's flat dmg nuke to speed through story/farming because it gives me a consistent 200k AoE nuke for 3 mana.

Have any of the more recent characters trivialized story content more than that? Most of the stuff I've seen is better against bosses because although the damage is absurd, the mana costs are also high which means you cannot consistently use them through the billions of random encounters you face when clearing maps. Maybe the units with preemptive skills (e.g., Tsubame AS) could work for mana less farming?

The VC nukes don't work anymore because they don't do enough dmg to kill lvl 75+ mobs (unless I missed something) and, anyway, I'd really prefer to not have to swap units from the backline. Having to move Mana every fight is the main reason I'm looking at alternatives.

Evil Fluffy posted:

This game's unwillingness to download updates will never cease to amaze me. So many times I think about logging in to play another chapter or two and just... can't, because after taking 10+ minutes to verify it asks me to download an update and then sits at 0% forever.

Marluxia posted:

That happened to me with a lovely phone, and as far as I can tell, it is actually downloading at 0%, it's just not updating the progress properly.

Clarste posted:

I have Necoco but I don't have any Elemental Zones so she's kind of useless lol.

Edit: In unrelated news, today I learned that Another Zone can't activate in Serge's dual slash/magic zone.

Marluxia posted:

That happened to me with a lovely phone, and as far as I can tell, it is actually downloading at 0%, it's just not updating the progress properly.

Nakar posted:

If you get through all his various quests, the free character Gariyu can set a Fire zone with his AS. Or you can do the boss rushes and get a grasta that gives anybody a skill to set a Fire zone, but that's potentially quite a bit harder. Unfortunately, most of the free zone setters set weapon type zones instead of elemental ones.

One thing about Necoco is that while she definitely benefits most from elemental zones, her move that buffs party Crit Rate/Damage works in any zone, so she can help out a bit in a Slash team. Definitely way, way better with elemental stuff though.

Evil Fluffy posted:

Looks like this was it, i let it sit while watching TV and it eventually updated. Used some 10 pull ticket I had and got a 4* Dewey (assassin fist) who can upgrade to 5*. Decided to tyr for Eva and the first multiple was a lot of nothing, just dupes and a couple new 3-4 star things. The second pull slightly better:


Not sure how I should set my team. Last time I played my team setup was Suzette(dragoon), Melina( I think it's her AS at 5* and OG form at 4*), Morgana, Mighty(both 5* styles), with Joker and Mariel(hierophant) in reserve. Joker for the swap in AOE for clearing fights faster, iirc. I have a handful of other 5* units like AS(?) Shion.

Evil Fluffy posted:

Clarste posted:

Seriously though, is anyone else having a bug where all dialog is in Japanese even though it's set to English? It's kind of annoying. I can read Japanese (slowly) but I actually kind of like the translation in this game.

Clarste posted:

It's not subtle. You'd see it by talking to any innkeeper, reading a sign, etc. I'm playing on PC if that matters. I even tried reinstalling and it didn't help.

Stickman posted:

Hismena AS hits like a truck and her valor self-heal is super useful if you're stall-healing mid-dungeon. Eva's also a beast and pretty much works with anything, especially if you can arrange speeds so she goes first (to maximize the likelihood of extra hits). Hismena AS + Suzette + Eva + Melina AS or Morgana for healing (and crits when Melina AS' manifest releases) will throw out a ton of damage even without zones or other support. Once you get some more units you can throw in some better synergies, but they'll carry you through most of the story content all by themselves.

Marluxia posted:

Every Very Hard AD, accessed with red keys, and the Garulean ADs, accessed with green keys, have a chance to drop the item that you can use to unlock AS forms of the characters. You need five of a character's particular "treatise".

There's also a vendor in the Spacetime Rift that sells two copies of those treatises for everyone. So an option is to keep doing those ADs daily waiting for three drops of the "Felis Circulus Treatise", and then buy the last two at that vendor. You'll also need 5 chant script as usual.

Evil Fluffy posted:

So with Eva at level 26-27 (others in the 40-41 range) and with a level 16 weapon I did Miglance castle (hard) and on a round where the boss was debuffed a bunch Joker crit for 4.5k two times Eva crit for 11k four times. Lunatic's 2x attack buff also stacks with the "attack twice if target is over 50% hp" effect?

I think one of her weaker rounds she still out damaged Suzette, who's level 41 and has a level 38 weapon and was using a 2x hit XL damage skill. I can only imagine how comically overkill she's going to be when she's actually at the same level as what she's fighting and has a similar level weapon.

Marluxia posted:

That sounds like a bug then... Try reaching out to support?

Evil Fluffy posted:

So with Eva at level 26-27 (others in the 40-41 range) and with a level 16 weapon I did Miglance castle (hard) and on a round where the boss was debuffed a bunch Joker crit for 4.5k two times Eva crit for 11k four times. Lunatic's 2x attack buff also stacks with the "attack twice if target is over 50% hp" effect?

I think one of her weaker rounds she still out damaged Suzette, who's level 41 and has a level 38 weapon and was using a 2x hit XL damage skill. I can only imagine how comically overkill she's going to be when she's actually at the same level as what she's fighting and has a similar level weapon.

Nakar posted:

(including Suzette, once her True Manifest weapon is unlocked)

Clarste posted:

Speaking of which, is there a list of characters with True Manifest weapons?

Nakar posted:

The way damage works in Another Eden is that you want to stack a ton of multiplicative damage boosting effects, and the way Eva's kit happens to work is that she can self-sufficiently create the circumstances that permit her to do that.

Quick example: Icicle Zorch has a baseline skill multiplier of 190%, which is pretty normal for an XL magic attack. However, she starts the battle in Copy Lunatic, which lets her use skills twice, so that effectively means she's doing 190% twice, or up to four times depending on whether she's hitting that 50% trigger. Additionally, the skill itself does four times as much damage in Lunatic, and each time she uses it she gains 30% INT up to a max of +75%. On top of that, the skill grants 100% Magic Critical Rate and applies Break when it hits (a debuff that doubles the damage of the next hit to strike the enemy). So what all of this means is that in the best-case scenario, Eva is actually doing roughly (1.9 {baseline} + 3.0 {Lunatic multiplier bonus}) * 1.5 {crit} * 2 {break} * 4 {Copy Lunatic + 50% trigger}, or around a 4680% multiplier, with each successive cast also ramping up her INT and increasing her damage that way. I'm not even counting her Mental Focus buff, which increases her damage based on how much Max MP she has, or things like Grasta that would increase elemental damage or Pain/Poison punish multipliers, or hitting a weakness, or Magic Zone, etc.

This is very good, but the thing is, many characters can actually get to something like this (including Suzette, once her True Manifest weapon is unlocked). It's all about how many of the multipliers you can stack. Eva's pretty good at stacking them on herself, but other than granting partywide Magic Crit Rate and the Break she leaves if spamming Icicle Zorch she's not giving everybody else a ton. This is fine if she's your primary damage dealer, as you focus your support on her, but some parties can do crazy damage while also buffing each other to insane heights, so she's not necessarily as busted as she appears. Plus a lot of her damage is conditional, which makes her great in fights where the boss is likely to be over 50% HP for a while and then gets burned down in a recovery phase (which is what the Murphy superboss in the Mythos was), but much less good in fights where you AF a boss down to a 50% stopper on the first turn and then have to start unleashing hell. Her Crystal damage output is also ironically better against things resistant to it than weak to it (which has its applications, as Murphy showed, but is not generally how you approach fights). And like all Lunatic characters she theoretically has a bit of a time limit once Lunatic runs out, but since she gets free start-of-battle Lunatic it impacts her a lot less than other characters.

Qylvaran posted:

It's a short list for now. Suzette, Mighty, and Shion.

Evil Fluffy posted:

Cool, that makes more sense and I think I'm 1-2 levels away from getting Zorch on her. I tried running a lvl 45 hard dungeon (mementos?) and ended up failing since the boss seemed to have about 5-6x as much HP as the level 40 dungeon boss did, which was unexpected considering the rest of the dungeon was pretty easy but had no drops other than chests on the map with decayed leaves or something, and it kept healing 34-35k hp every few rounds so i eventually lost due to attrition. It sounds like the damage from Zorch might've been enough to brute force through it all. Since she can stack crystal/water debuffs up to 4x (so 100% resist debuff?) with glint purge that would further push her damage with Zorch into the stratosphere I assume?

I take it these are super far into postgame grinding? Oddly enough I have all 3 of those characters.


e: Got Icicle Zorch, used it on round 2 against a royal guard in the Miglance (hard) dungeon, 31k damage first hit then 174k on the second and it died from about 60-65% hp with that second hit.