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stealie72 posted:Not sure exactly why but this made me giggle like an idiot. He posted somewhere that he was having a rough time with 2020/21 but wants to continue. I was kinda shocked to learn that, he's so talented and Inward Empire is so good that I figured he'd finally been scooped up by someone to make something. e: For the new page, Dan Carlin has released a 6 hour podcast on slavery, someone needs to report back if it's as dire as everyone assumes.
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uPen posted:He posted somewhere that he was having a rough time with 2020/21 but wants to continue. I was kinda shocked to learn that, he's so talented and Inward Empire is so good that I figured he'd finally been scooped up by someone to make something. IIRC he is or was a grad student so it may be broader professional life that's draining his ability to make Inward Empire.
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Yeah I'm curious if he has another deranged rant like with the end of the Pacific series, all the better if someone wants to take one for the team and share with the thread.
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Appoda posted:Yeah I'm curious if he has another deranged rant like with the end of the Pacific series, all the better if someone wants to take one for the team and share with the thread. I will certainly listen to it just not any time soon.
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Appoda posted:Yeah I'm curious if he has another deranged rant like with the end of the Pacific series, all the better if someone wants to take one for the team and share with the thread. I still can’t believe that strange take of his made it out into the world. You’d think he’d be a little more careful about handling that sort of subject more tactfully. Gonna be wild to see how these other episodes come out. I’ll wait till a brave goon clears it for us.
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buglord posted:I still can’t believe that strange take of his made it out into the world. You’d think he’d be a little more careful about handling that sort of subject more tactfully. Gonna be wild to see how these other episodes come out. I’ll wait till a brave goon clears it for us. "Listen folks, Nazi Germany killed SO many people, they were bound to have gotten a few genociders put down along the way. Who knows, maybe they would've been even worse than Hitler! I'm just asking, what if there's a silver lining to this whole Holocaust business." Just an astonishing ten minutes of audio.
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I'm not saying slavery was good. BUT
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I did like Dan Carlin's WWI series, specifically the parts where he talks about how people felt about the war leading up to and during the whole thing. Are there any history books/podcasts that focus on people's thoughts and feelings during that time and not just the battles? Something like This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War. (Not WW1 I know.)
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Poilu: The World War I Notebooks of Corporal Louis Barthas is a fantastic book that has a recent new translation from French to English that I would highly recommend for personal memoirs/feelings from the French perspective, which is often oddly absent from the English speaking world that tends to relate the British, German, or Russian perspective and barely mention the French perspective. Also A World Undone is just an incredibly broad scope WWI history that kind of touches on the same thing, but has a large focus on battles as well.
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Violet_Sky posted:I did like Dan Carlin's WWI series, specifically the parts where he talks about how people felt about the war leading up to and during the whole thing. Are there any history books/podcasts that focus on people's thoughts and feelings during that time and not just the battles? Something like This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War. (Not WW1 I know.) There’s a pretty great book recommendation/request thread in TBB, I reckon some folks there might have good pointers
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There's also The Sleepwalkers, which is all about how the July Crisis was actually perceived by people who actually lived and steered it.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Lawman 0 posted:I'm gonna listen to it and report back, wish me luck. I'm diving in too!
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uPen posted:e: For the new page, Dan Carlin has released a 6 hour podcast on slavery, someone needs to report back if it's as dire as everyone assumes. Not it! I dropped out after his WWI episodes, they - weren't good.
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Extreme Boomer Content warning here.
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Appoda posted:Yeah I'm curious if he has another deranged rant like with the end of the Pacific series, all the better if someone wants to take one for the team and share with the thread. I'm only familiar with the WWI series. What did he say?
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The thing that stood out most to me was how Carlin marveled at the term quadroon, barely looked into it, then used it himself
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Lawman 0 posted:edit: jesus christ Carlin. You’re doing god’s work here son, don’t give up.
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Spoeank posted:The thing that stood out most to me was how Carlin marveled at the term quadroon, barely looked into it, then used it himself https://twitter.com/HardcoreHistory/status/1501035651885535234
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How do you extensively research slavery in the Americas and not read about the complex legal framework that the French and Spanish had for denoting race mixing?  The term "octaroon" really sticks in my mind.
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Just like Dan Carlin I am also not a historian, and only learned of the term quadroon from watching Archer a few years ago. Unlike Dan Carlin, I'm not presenting a 5 hour podcast on slavery.
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Mar 8, 2022 19:14
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stealie72 posted:Just like Dan Carlin I am also not a historian, and only learned of the term quadroon from watching Archer a few years ago. Same but also I think that episode is at least ten years old lol
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Grondoth posted:I'm only familiar with the WWI series. What did he say? As he was wrapping up Supernova in the East, he went on this tirade about how the holocaust might have prevented more genocides, or something. It's really weird. When I get home, I might clip the audio and upload it for everyone's listening displeasure.
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buglord posted:You’re doing god’s work here son, don’t give up. Halfway through and Carlin really shouldn't have bothered because he's totally unprepared to talk about this because of history boomer brains.
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Appoda posted:As he was wrapping up Supernova in the East, he went on this tirade about how the holocaust might have prevented more genocides, or something. It's really weird. When I get home, I might clip the audio and upload it for everyone's listening displeasure. Yeah it was basically this. It’s pretty tortured logic. I don’t think it was meant maliciously, just pretty shockingly ignorant for being a history podcaster. I get not everyone can be a historian but you’d think he’d consult some people before throwing it out into the wild.
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What I'm really saying that Carlin needs a sensitive editor to look over his script with a big red marker and a novelty sized thesaurus. Maybe a big book of analogies to draw from too.
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this sounds extremely cringe. Thank you Lawman
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buglord posted:Yeah it was basically this. It’s pretty tortured logic. I don’t think it was meant maliciously, just pretty shockingly ignorant for being a history podcaster. I get not everyone can be a historian but you’d think he’d consult some people before throwing it out into the wild. This is what bugs me the most. He can't hide behind his "Not a historian!" if you've been doing this for as long as he has and is as presumably well-read as he is. At some point, you're doing history and should try to do it well. I'm sorry, but the dude is actually kind of a historian. Turns out he's becoming a pretty poo poo one though.
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buglord posted:this sounds extremely cringe. Thank you Lawman  But yeah he desperately needs and has needed someone to run this by and make sure that A: it's not full of bullshit (like ghosts of the ostfront) B: he treats the subject matter with care. The thing that bothers me the most here is that he is trying to do B but slips up constantly. Edit:  thanks for your baby conception of Marxism Carlin.
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+1 for "Dan Carlin is a gobshite"Violet_Sky posted:I did like Dan Carlin's WWI series, specifically the parts where he talks about how people felt about the war leading up to and during the whole thing. Are there any history books/podcasts that focus on people's thoughts and feelings during that time and not just the battles? Something like This Republic of Suffering: Death and the American Civil War. (Not WW1 I know.) What sort of people are you interested in? WWI is very well-served for personal accounts from various angles, and particularly in the last 10 years or so, we've started to get some great-quality stuff in translation from people who wrote in other languages.
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Anyways what did everyone think about the new fall of civilizations podcast?
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Dan Carlin's "I'm not a historian" mantra is one of the most pitiful examples of intellectual cowardice that I can think of.Lawman 0 posted:Anyways what did everyone think about the new fall of civilizations podcast? I enjoyed it
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External Organs posted:Same but also I think that episode is at least ten years old lol Edit: Lawman 0 posted:Halfway through and Carlin really shouldn't have bothered because he's totally unprepared to talk about this because of history boomer brains. Lawman 0 posted:Edit: stealie72 fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Mar 8, 2022 |
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Appoda posted:As he was wrapping up Supernova in the East, he went on this tirade about how the holocaust might have prevented more genocides, or something. It's really weird. When I get home, I might clip the audio and upload it for everyone's listening displeasure. Don't forget him both sides-ing Japanese internment with "well hey people were scared so can you really say the program wasn't justified?"
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Just more on Fall of Civilizations actually -- One thing that came to mind as I was listening to the most recent one is that I think that I would prefer if they carved them up into 40 minute chunks with a bit more review and signposting in between and then slow-released them on the feed over a few weeks. Just a minor personal preference, but sometimes I find that because I can't listen to 3+ hours in a go that I sometimes lose the thread of things at times.
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CommonShore posted:Just more on Fall of Civilizations actually -- I found the most recent one significantly harder to follow than previous ones, I think it's because the lead in to the content is so long that when it actually starts on the primary topic it's easy to miss and then get lost.
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I guess most of us probably have less background knowledge on the history of South India as well, so if you miss something it's easier to get lost (unlike say the fall of Byzantium or the Inca where most of us have at least a rough idea of how it's going to start and end).
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I love the long episodes but I'm also the kind of person who waits for a whole season of an episodic podcast to come out then binges it all in one go.
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Cockblocktopus posted:I love the long episodes but I'm also the kind of person who waits for a whole season of an episodic podcast to come out then binges it all in one go. I like long episodes as well but I do think making it more episodic can help not fall into the trap Carlin fell onto. Where long episodes were rambling messes that were as long as some books with less info
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Sydin posted:Don't forget him both sides-ing Japanese internment with "well hey people were scared so can you really say the program wasn't justified?" The funny about that is that he brings it up and then immediately undercuts his own both-sidesing with "Well they didn't do it in Hawaii, where most Japanese-Americans actually live. I'm just asking questions"
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