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Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer

Mix. posted:

just do what xiv does and add a bunch of skimpy outfits for the men too, problem solved :v:

Lost ark has beefcake outfits for the male classes, they're just not default gear like the cheesecake for many of the ladies.

It's dumb, but it's like they just set all the body sliders to 200% in character creation and locked them so you get martial artists running around in six inch heels and the like.

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Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


https://twitter.com/supercell/status/1501533775410470912

rip clash of clans in russia

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




Studio posted:

This didn't happen. They were removing some of the uh, more than inappropriate paintings (like the one of the intern, it's been posted here before), and players thought they'd also remove skimpy transmogs. Nothing ever popped up on the PTR showing any sort of sexy armor culling, unlike the paintings.

The patch also removed a bunch of the horniest joke and flirt emotes, as well as the /spit emote (supposedly because someone created a sub-mod on Burning Crusade Classic that made you automatically spam it at anyone who was riding the mount from the collector’s edition).

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



I thought they removed /spit because everyone was doing it in front of Afrasiabi's self-insert thing

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


CharlieFoxtrot posted:

I thought they removed /spit because everyone was doing it in front of Afrasiabi's self-insert thing

There were a lot of things there

Several of them were okay but also nothing more than rearranging furniture on little st James island

CBD Corndog
Jun 21, 2009



Reset the clock:

https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1501663965922971648

https://twitter.com/stephentotilo/status/1501664688433737733

Big 'the rules don't say that a dog can't play' energy.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
Oh no who could possibly have expected this :geno:

Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006


Big lmao at "None of our rules or written procedures say we do a sexism, so we don't do any sexism"

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Soonmot posted:

The game also has some skimpy stuff for male characters too.

They even recently added more in Endwalker!

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Shout out to the guy who had to comb through Sony's policies for this trial to make sure they didn't do the shockingly common thing of having sexism.txt written plainly somewhere in their legalese.

claw game handjob
Mar 27, 2007

pinch pinch scrape pinch
ow ow fuck it's caught
i'm bleeding
JESUS TURN IT OFF
WHY ARE YOU STILL SMILING
I feel like this is a new low for Square-Enix's non-mobile division.

https://twitter.com/TangoBun/status/1501898430284656643
https://twitter.com/TangoBun/status/1502063477812248576

According to people elsewhere, mithril expires in 5 months, just to add insult to injury. What a wild choice of game to drop this bomb on.

claw game handjob fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Mar 11, 2022

Hunter Noventa
Apr 21, 2010

secretly best girl posted:

I feel like this is a new low for Square-Enix's non-mobile division.

https://twitter.com/TangoBun/status/1501898430284656643
https://twitter.com/TangoBun/status/1502063477812248576

According to people elsewhere, mithril expires in 5 months, just to add insult to injury. What a wild choice of game to drop this bomb on.

Wow, I wanted to get that game because it would be cute as gently caress to play with the kids, but seeing that bullshit? No thanks.

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug
https://twitter.com/Vivi_Flynn/status/1502081727254122503?t=luV7hA81XDhKDH_c04LHtg&s=19

Lmao

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Pay2Pay

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

I can't wait for the Sterling video on this poo poo

E: also that is one legendarily terrible battlepass, zero rewards for whole blocks of levels right at the start

Somfin fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Mar 12, 2022

DC Murderverse
Nov 10, 2016

"Tell that to Zod's snapped neck!"

https://twitter.com/iggymaid/status/1502662994311925762?s=21

A thread. We don’t hear about the Japanese side of things but it kinda sucks to know that this is a problem everywhere no matter what

kliras
Mar 27, 2021
Most of the reviews go back to 2012-2016, but still a bummer that the working conditions were like that back then. And when you see something as busted as Elden Ring's release, you have to wonder how much of it is down to shoddy workplace conditions.

For reference, Dark Souls 1 came out in 2011 (PC 2012), and Dark Souls 3 in 2016.

Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

DC Murderverse posted:

https://twitter.com/iggymaid/status/1502662994311925762?s=21

A thread. We don’t hear about the Japanese side of things but it kinda sucks to know that this is a problem everywhere no matter what

Yeah, those job postings have been making the rounds for a while now. I hope there's some actual reporting done on it, interviewing Fromsoft employees or others in the Japanese game dev industry. It sounds real lovely but I'm also hesitant to make a fuss based on screenshots I can't read translated by internet strangers.

Like, its pretty well established that Japan is notorious for unpaid overtime and a glass ceiling for women so its very believable, but I want to base this on more than a vtuber's twitter.

Fruits of the sea fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Mar 13, 2022

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

CuddleCryptid posted:

Shout out to the guy who had to comb through Sony's policies for this trial to make sure they didn't do the shockingly common thing of having sexism.txt written plainly somewhere in their legalese.

Fees fees fees baby trebles all round :homebrew:

Stevefin
Sep 30, 2013

DC Murderverse posted:

https://twitter.com/iggymaid/status/1502662994311925762?s=21

A thread. We don’t hear about the Japanese side of things but it kinda sucks to know that this is a problem everywhere no matter what

Japanese work culture sucks really bad for mental or physical state of people in general, so not that surprising it also exists in their gaming companies, the big story is if the things that ubi and blizz stuff exists with all the sexual harassment and frat boy culture

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

DC Murderverse posted:

https://twitter.com/iggymaid/status/1502662994311925762?s=21

A thread. We don’t hear about the Japanese side of things but it kinda sucks to know that this is a problem everywhere no matter what

There is always bias with these things due to the voluntary survey method but looking around the websites that I can find information on it seems that this price point is for the absolute entry level and when taken on average the wages of developers tends to be roughly double that if not more.

It's still not good to pay $29k to someone right out of college, especially if you are headquartered in Tokyo, but it's not like every developer is barely scraping by.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I was looking at the average wage for artist jobs in the UK and was laughing, because "suggested" minimum wage" for juniors was about 12k higher than i usually see it offered for when looking across multiple studios.

So i'd guess its not entirely just "oh the only people doing this are entry level" because even the seniors were barely making above suggested junior level for the last few places i worked.

Falcorum
Oct 21, 2010

dogstile posted:

So i'd guess its not entirely just "oh the only people doing this are entry level" because even the seniors were barely making above suggested junior level for the last few places i worked.

From experience, there's also that in most cases if you started a company as a junior, no matter how many promotions you go through your salary in the end will still be very significantly less than if you came to that company as a senior. There's a reason most game companies try to sneak in "can't discuss salaries" into their contracts.

Falcorum fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Mar 14, 2022

haldolium
Oct 22, 2016



next up for toxic work environment, Moon Studios (ORI games)

https://venturebeat.com/2022/03/18/despite-its-beautiful-ori-games-moon-studio-is-called-an-oppressive-place-to-work/

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 19 hours!

lol

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Man :smith:

haldolium
Oct 22, 2016



And another bunch of abuse accusations surfaced today extending to Robin Hunicke and Annapurna (indirectly) from a story initially meant to cover already known stories about some indie devs

https://www.gamedeveloper.com/culture/funomena-co-founder-robin-hunicke-accused-of-workplace-emotional-abuse

original PMG video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPzZkx0cPs&t=1372s

quote:

In one instance, Hunicke allegedly said "[This employee] is struggling with their sexuality right now, so it makes sense that they're a little bit distracted." This apparently happened in a meeting with other co-workers.

Original_Z
Jun 14, 2005
Z so good

Apparently MS was aware of it which is why they stopped publishing their games:

https://wccftech.com/ori-moon-studios-oppressive-work-culture-microsoft-split/

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Most of this article is pretty soft stuff. I mean your boss not being clear about what they want isn’t cool but it’s also a universal problem. Lol at dedicating a whole section to an HR consultant saying “yeah creatives can be bad at giving feedback.” The truly bad stuff is buried by all these generic workplace problems.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Original_Z posted:

Apparently MS was aware of it which is why they stopped publishing their games:

https://wccftech.com/ori-moon-studios-oppressive-work-culture-microsoft-split/

It's kinda amazing that Microsoft apparently genuinely does care about toxic workplace issues considering their reputation for their own problems. Then again, maybe that's why, learning the problems of having a company at war with itself the hard way.

Fame Douglas
Nov 20, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's kinda amazing that Microsoft apparently genuinely does care about toxic workplace issues considering their reputation for their own problems. Then again, maybe that's why, learning the problems of having a company at war with itself the hard way.

While I'm not going to read a Dean Takahashi article, I'd say they care about bad PR, just like any other company.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

It's a long article, once you get past the corporate statement and look at the individual developers speaking out about their experiences, it gets much clearer.

There's so many quotes I can pull, I had to edit it down.

quote:

Multiple people observed that Mahler would hire talented people to work at Moon Studio. When he introduced them, however, he revealed his own insecurities. He felt a need to trash the games that they worked on and point out why they were “poo poo games,” regardless of the stature or size of the studio that the workers came from.

quote:

“I think one of the worst things about the studio is that it was very toxic. Never mind how they treat each other. It’s how they treat other members of the studio,” said one game developer. “They argue with each other, using incredibly aggressive, vile, toxic language in the whole company group chat. It’s like you have a big office and like having a massive shouting match with the head of the company.”

quote:

The detachment that is possible in online conversations and audio chats over Skype enabled the founders to act more critical and abusive, developers alleged. It’s akin to how people behave on Twitter, where they feel more empowered to speak their minds and cut down others with short criticisms, multiple workers noted.
The place sounds like a total garbage fire when it comes to morale.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's kinda amazing that Microsoft apparently genuinely does care about toxic workplace issues considering their reputation for their own problems. Then again, maybe that's why, learning the problems of having a company at war with itself the hard way.

The ABK mess is proof enough that even if you're a soulless capitalist who doesn't care at all about the individual well-being of workers, letting your offices turn into a festering cesspool is a terrible idea because it's both extremely bad press if it goes public and is actively damaging to your ability to output products that make money. It also dramatically accelerates the progress of things you, the company, probably don't want, like unionization efforts.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
Capitalists are not exactly known for their long-term thinking

Original_Z
Jun 14, 2005
Z so good
Here are a few more indie studios:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDPzZkx0cPs

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


The Fullbright stuff with Steve Gaynor has been known about for some time. It’s a shame.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



I'm glad he at least copped to it and immediately stepped back. It's more than most seem to do at least.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Original_Z posted:

Here are a few more indie studios:

scroll up, chief:


haldolium posted:

original PMG video

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Kanos posted:

The ABK mess is proof enough that even if you're a soulless capitalist who doesn't care at all about the individual well-being of workers, letting your offices turn into a festering cesspool is a terrible idea because it's both extremely bad press if it goes public and is actively damaging to your ability to output products that make money. It also dramatically accelerates the progress of things you, the company, probably don't want, like unionization efforts.

Yeah, and it sounds like in some cases like in ABK it only gets that bad when it goes all the way to to the top.

Might also be a culture thing too. Microsoft isn't just making entertainment products, they make all kinds of poo poo that comes under serious business products for serious business people. They can put up with some necessary frippery from the people who make the games, but turning offices into pub crawls isn't something that looks good when you've also got the brand as the definition of boring omnipresent business software that needs to work. When you're already keeping an eye on your employees' behaviour with an often arbitrary standard of professionalism, it's probably not hard to punish discrimination along with that.

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Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




I wouldn’t be surprised if they also crunched the numbers and came to the conclusion that not treating harassment seriously is ultimately more costly than if they do. In addition to whatever sanctions might come from the California suits, ActiBlizz also took massive brand damage that’s going to take a lot of work to even somewhat fix, who even knows how much productivity was lost from morale and brain drain, and more besides.

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