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Serperoth posted:They missed put by not calling it Coordinated Universal Normalised Time UTCN? The joke is that the abbreviation for Coordinated Universal Time (or Temps Universel Coordonné in French) was a compromise between English and French members of the orgs that decide this sort of stuff - such that it doesn't match either of them so, like all good compromises, everyone left unhappy.
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Serperoth posted:They missed put by not calling it Coordinated Universal Normalised Time Ah, so it would've been acronymed as UTCN edit: drat, beaten!!! Curse you, new page!!
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Mar 13, 2022 22:42
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Custom code or manually massaging data to account for the time difference is what it comes down to. Or just ignore it. That's part of the reason it happens in the middle of the night on a weekend, it mostly just doesn't make a difference. I worked night shift through a few time changes and they would play hell with the internal tools we used. It was always a nightmare having to run logs around those times because either you got corrupted data or everything was duplicated.
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Mar 14, 2022 00:46
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:All that aside, abolish the foolishness of daylight savings time. It's one of those little wins like getting rid of pennies. WE TRIED. The European parliament got a majority in favour of getting rid of it. Then everyone started fighting about whether any country should be permanently in their summer time or permanently in their winter time, and every country demanded that all of their direct neighbors are in the same timezone as themselves, for making international business stuff easier. But that's literally not possible if you're talking about a whole continent. Then the parliament shelved it, saying "we will spend time further researching this". Maybe some intern somewhere is looking into it. Maybe they just permanently shelved it and are hoping people will forget.
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BonHair posted:Using Unix time? But seriously, either throw out one of the duplicate hours or just have double stats for one hour of one night? Or embrace timecube. Not Unix, TAI. GPS time is another option; it has a fixed offset with TAI. Unix inserts UTC leap seconds and those gently caress everything up. Sagebrush posted:the number of actual seconds, incidentally, not the fake number with leap seconds used everywhere else  Unix time prioritizes simple arithmetic over accuracy.
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Presenting regions by bounding them in driving routes.  https://twitter.com/patricklsimpson/status/1503540821894877188 It’s satire. I think.
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Platystemon posted:Presenting regions by bounding them in driving routes. lol, poo poo, dude i have no idea anymore, honestly
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Carbon dioxide posted:WE TRIED. Obviously they are trying to find a way to stack all the euro countries vertically in the same time zone.
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Mar 15, 2022 12:20
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Just have one global timezone, what do we need a bunch of them for
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I much prefer the interpretation of "removing timezones" as having a single global timezone where everybody starts and ends work at the same time and finally unshackle ourselves from the tyranny of the sun
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Mar 15, 2022 19:38
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It's easy. Anybody in the same city uses solar time. If you're coordinating with anyone outside the city you use internet time. If it's absurd for a New Yorker and a Londoner to go to work at the same time, it's absurd for a North Dakota and a Floridian to go to work at the same time. Everybody pretending like this is obtuse is ignoring the fact everyone communicating across time zones has an astrolabe in their pocket and everyone else is already using solar time. Time zones were only effective up to the point we can't calculate the local solar time for any point on earth instantly based on a universal heartbeat from the internet or GPS. Give it up time zoners, your time is limited.
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Mar 15, 2022 20:14
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I mean yes, obviously swatch internet time is the best solution.
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Mar 15, 2022 20:16
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Let's compromise and just kill daylight savings It's bullshit and nobody wants it but it keeps shambling along for some reason. I don't even know who would lobby for it to stay, software companies that exclusively deal with programming around DST?
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Yeah I read that and its dumb, the solution either way is you Google it. Also it's very funny that this uses "you have to reach out to a person unprompted" as the example and completely ignores the more common situation where you're trying to set up something at a specific time between people on a bunch of different time zones. It's way easier to get "Ok, we'll all meet at 2" rather than having to go "ok so thats 2 for me, what time is that there" and have everyone convert between their timezones Edit: DarkHorse posted:Let's compromise and just kill daylight savings Good news https://twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1503797632745025542?s=20&t=yODAQthCq5txKKvGYn8bFg Piell has a new favorite as of 21:45 on Mar 15, 2022 |
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Serperoth posted:They missed put by not calling it Coordinated Universal Normalised Time  Apparently, Curtin University of New Technology got further than they should have before they went with Curtin University of Technology
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Carbon dioxide posted:UTCN? Do the French measure time in Fahrenheit or Celsius?
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zedprime posted:It's easy. Anybody in the same city uses solar time. If you're coordinating with anyone outside the city you use internet time. If it's absurd for a New Yorker and a Londoner to go to work at the same time, it's absurd for a North Dakota and a Floridian to go to work at the same time. this is the current system in use
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Carthag Tuek posted:this is the current system in use Example today noon in Pensacola, Florida, a city in central daylight time, is 12:57 PM. Noon in Odessa, TX, another city in central daylight time, is 1:58 PM. (Also lol at the evil time butcher DST ruining solar noon further, one of these cities had a nearly accurate solar noon not 3 days ago.) Using city is perhaps asking for similar errors but the "perfect" 1 hour time zone is 15 degrees longitude while cities, even including metropolitan areas, are very rarely wider than a degree of longitude which would give errors of 4 minutes in solar noon which would probably be hard to comprehend without a sundial. So ok sure that's still time zones but at a variable width of <1 degree it's a more continually integrated time zone on the path to pure ideal solar chaos where everyone's phone is independently geopositioning and getting the right solar time at all moments. It's all very sane and normal, if you would just read my manifesto...
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Piell posted:https://twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1503797632745025542?s=20&t=yODAQthCq5txKKvGYn8bFg How many people voted for this because they think DST somehow creates more daylight hours in a given day?
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The Merkinman posted:How many people voted for this because they think DST somehow creates more daylight hours in a given day? it was unanimous, so nobody? they're voting to get rid of springing forward/falling back, not the opposite
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Piell posted:Yeah I read that and its dumb, the solution either way is you Google it. Also it's very funny that this uses "you have to reach out to a person unprompted" as the example and completely ignores the more common situation where you're trying to set up something at a specific time between people on a bunch of different time zones. It's way easier to get "Ok, we'll all meet at 2" rather than having to go "ok so thats 2 for me, what time is that there" and have everyone convert between their timezones The GOVERNMENT isn't just stealing our MONEY, but also our TIME. WHERE DID THAT HOUR GO THAT WE JUST LOST, HUH???!?!
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flatluigi posted:it was unanimous, so nobody? they're voting to get rid of springing forward/falling back, not the opposite I'm wondering how many people went "hmm there is more sun when it is Daylight Saving Time, therefore it should always be Daylight Saving Time! We will get more sun in the Winter!"
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the problem with dst is the shifting twice a year, not the specific timeframe. i think you're making up someone to get mad at
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If you're going to make fun of people with really demented and weird views on time and sunlight you can at least stick to the guy posting obviously insane bullshit (me) instead of some strawman who thinks the government legislates the sun.
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DarkHorse posted:Let's compromise and just kill daylight savings Ooh, graphs.    The superiority of the third option is readily apparent. Getting up in the morning to go to work or school sucks. The marginal suckage of it being dark outside is comparatively insignificant. In fact, waking up when it is dark and then having the sun come up is better for your circadian rhythm. By contrast, having it be dark when you get done work sucks. Changing the clocks twice a year is dumb, but since whatever you pick is going to be arbitrary, pick the one that maximizes the daylight available to you when you have the opportunity to enjoy it and make use of it.
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I like it when it's dark when i start and i'm done work  i'm glad to live relatively far north
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Proposal: A simple and effective time standard to ensure all people can live with daylight hours grounded to reasonable day to day expectations. Outcome: Humanity declares war on the sun
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Outrail posted:Proposal: A simple and effective time standard to ensure all people can live with daylight hours grounded to reasonable day to day expectations. To be fair the sun declared war on us first.
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Outrail posted:Proposal: A simple and effective time standard to ensure all people can live with daylight hours grounded to reasonable day to day expectations. We're gonna have to get rid of that fucker anyway because we sure as hell can't stop pulling carbon out of the ground
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flatluigi posted:the problem with dst is the shifting twice a year, not the specific timeframe. i think you're making up someone to get mad at I assure you, lots of idiots are specifically in favour of abolishing DST, and lots of smart people are specifically in favour of permanently moving to DST. This is in no way just an argument about whether the clocks go back/forwards, though that is also an argument.
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Outrail posted:Do the French measure time in Fahrenheit or Celsius? They use thermidor 
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Alternate title: an infomercial actor tries to call Australia. There’s got to be a better way! zedprime posted:Using city is perhaps asking for similar errors but the "perfect" 1 hour time zone is 15 degrees longitude while cities, even including metropolitan areas, are very rarely wider than a degree of longitude which would give errors of 4 minutes in solar noon which would probably be hard to comprehend without a sundial. The eccentricity of Earth’s orbit means that solar days differ in length by up to about thirty SI seconds. The “mean” in “Greenwich Mean Time” is because all days are treated as the same length. Anyway, these extra long and extra short days cause an accumulated deviation in solar noon by plus or minus about fifteen minutes at different times of the year. The mathematical description of the deviation is given by the dramatically named “equation of time”.
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Platystemon posted:The eccentricity of Earth’s orbit means that solar days differ in length by up to about thirty SI seconds. The “mean” in “Greenwich Mean Time” is because all days are treated as the same length. having a kid rules because I know all of this bullshit
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Outrail posted:Proposal: A simple and effective time standard to ensure all people can live with daylight hours grounded to reasonable day to day expectations. i am all in favor of this. i hate that fucker
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So reading through this page, I think were all agreed the only reasonable option is to blow up the sun to end this debate once and for all?
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dr_rat posted:So reading through this page, I think were all agreed the only reasonable option is to blow up the sun to end this debate once and for all? Montgomery Burns was a visionary.
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jeebus bob posted:Montgomery Burns was a visionary. I refuse to hide like a worm. Kill the sun or die trying.
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It would save lives to stop loving with the clocks twice a year. In regard to which configuration should be the permanent one, however, time is arbitrary. If the problem is that the sun sets before work ends, then either as a society we are capable of enough self-determination to schedule work on the basis of the sun instead of the clock, in which case we should do that, or we are not, in which case we are already slaves to the machine and we might as well debate what time zone should be used in the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
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