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if you're an economist on a vicky game you're exiled to st. helena when development ends so that nobody can learn your secrets
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Jazerus posted:if you're an economist on a vicky game you're exiled to st. helena when development ends so that nobody can learn your secrets Nah, if we've learned anything from EVE-Online you return home to become Prime Minister to oversee the worst economic crisis in your lifetime because anything else wouldn't be a challenge! 
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Raenir Salazar posted:Nah, if we've learned anything from EVE-Online you return home to become Prime Minister to oversee the worst economic crisis in your lifetime because anything else wouldn't be a challenge! Or go from Team Fortress 2 to Greece's economics ministry as the euro crisis hits!
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Mar 13, 2022 18:13
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https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1504110237992701964
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Seems weird that the goods (sulfur) would be imported from somewhere where it has a high price to one where it has a low price.
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Mar 16, 2022 16:31
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Presumably in this scenario the texans want sulfur to make gunpowder, what with the war.
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I too do not understand how any of that works out. e; economics working as designed. Fellblade fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Mar 16, 2022 |
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Mar 16, 2022 16:38
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Presumably in this scenario the texans want sulfur to make gunpowder, what with the war. Shouldn't the price be higher though in the Texan market? Otherwise the importer is taking a huge loss.
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Mar 16, 2022 16:55
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Buying the dip on sulfur is always a sure bet
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I thought the tooltip is pretty clear. The current price in texas is 50 while the current price in the USA is 53. Texas needs sulfur bad, but it looks like the USA also badly needs it as both markets have high prices. USA's price is higher but it might still be the best option for Texas. The tooltip then shows that after the import deal the price of Sulphur in texas will drop by half down to 25 and the price in the USA will go up. This is an extremely good deal for the USA but Texas wouldn't be doing it unless they had a fairly critical need to get its domestic price for sulfur down. Specially if they're using that resource for military needs as part of an upcoming war plan, they're not going to get to be too picky about prices.
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Baronjutter posted:I thought the tooltip is pretty clear. The current price in texas is 50 while the current price in the USA is 53. Texas needs sulfur bad, but it looks like the USA also badly needs it as both markets have high prices. USA's price is higher but it might still be the best option for Texas. The tooltip then shows that after the import deal the price of Sulphur in texas will drop by half down to 25 and the price in the USA will go up. This is an extremely good deal for the USA but Texas wouldn't be doing it unless they had a fairly critical need to get its domestic price for sulfur down. Specially if they're using that resource for military needs as part of an upcoming war plan, they're not going to get to be too picky about prices. But why would the price in Texas drop below the price in America, wouldnt that price (plus transportation inefficiencies) be an effective floor for the price after importation? Or is that market price difference coming out of the state's coffers as part of the import deal.
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Arrath posted:But why would the price in Texas drop below the price in America, wouldnt that price (plus transportation inefficiencies) be an effective floor for the price after importation? Or is that market price difference coming out of the state's coffers as part of the import deal. I think the read there is, due to Texas buying up the sulfur via the import deal, it decreases the domestic price (added supply, lower price to clear) and increases the foreign (American) price (reduced supply, higher price to maintain). Basically, it becomes cheaper in Texas due to the contract being in place and slightly more expensive for America, though presumably America benefits in some way (lump sum payment, upkeep, supply of an alternative good, or simply it's the long game of increasing the size of industries of which sulfur is a component). It's a little unclear exactly what it means at present, but this is my best guess.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I think the read there is, due to Texas buying up the sulfur via the import deal, it decreases the domestic price (added supply, lower price to clear) and increases the foreign (American) price (reduced supply, higher price to maintain). Basically, it becomes cheaper in Texas due to the contract being in place and slightly more expensive for America, though presumably America benefits in some way (lump sum payment, upkeep, supply of an alternative good, or simply it's the long game of increasing the size of industries of which sulfur is a component). So, the Texan government's buying sulphur and then dumping it on the market at a loss so they can get more ammo made?
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Mar 16, 2022 20:32
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Well it wouldn't be a Vicky game if people understood what the gently caress is going on with the economy.
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kw0134 posted:Well it wouldn't be a Vicky game if people understood what the gently caress is going on with the economy. It's more historic this way too. "Poking at a black box based on vibes" is basically the economic policy that saw Britain return to the gold standard in the 1920s
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In the late 1910s and early 1920s Norway enacted what has come to be known as "parity politics" (paripolitikk), which involved deliberately deflating the currency because wartime inflation was bad for people who had saved up money, and temperance was a virtue, and virtuous behaviour should not be punished. Turns out, deflation is extremely bad for your economy, especially if a large chunk of your municipalities have previously taken out huge loans to pay for hydroelectric dams. Oh and I think they also wanted to do it to restore the currency to its prewar state, so they'd be able to reintroduce the gold standard, like the Brits. Good ideas all around. Luckily these policies had died out by the end of the decade just in time for oh my god what just happened to the stocks
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Mar 17, 2022 03:34
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Friend Commuter posted:So, the Texan government's buying sulphur and then dumping it on the market at a loss so they can get more ammo made? That's the part I'm not sure about. There's a lot of ways they could do it, it could be that they're guaranteeing a certain quantity ordered, which isn't necessarily buying at a loss but could cause a loss if it goes unused. Another way to think about it is as a state subsidy to the import, which reduces the business cost of the sulphur, increasing the quantity demanded by things such as ammunition factories. If the means of economic trading are moddable, if import contracts could be conducted in a huge variety of ways, Vicky 3 could truly be the best economic sandbox.
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Mar 17, 2022 08:11
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https://twitter.com/PDXVictoria/status/1504503076224442370
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This economic system is starting to sound like some over complicated, impenetrable garbage. In other words, absolutely perfect
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Mar 17, 2022 20:54
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Friend Commuter posted:So, the Texan government's buying sulphur and then dumping it on the market at a loss so they can get more ammo made? Is this something that actually happened in the states? Seems like it would require export controls on Texas's part and still be easier money for smugglers
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The part that doesn't make sense to me is how the price in the texan market ends up at 25. That doesn't make any sense at all
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VostokProgram posted:The part that doesn't make sense to me is how the price in the texan market ends up at 25. That doesn't make any sense at all I still need to read the dd, but my only guess is the state eating the difference to help the industries out? If such a thing is possible.
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Mar 17, 2022 23:51
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im excited to be this confuse too when I play the actual game
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Could Texas be subsidizing sulfur? So the consumer pays 25 and the state pays extra? Or maybe theres a guaranteed shipment treaty, where X sulfur must be provided to texas, whether its profitable or not?
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It is realistic for Texas to be an economic basket case that goes bankrupt, btw  Are you a bad enough dude to salvage your racist failed state by piracy and slave smuggling? e: are you a bad enough dude to win the second revolution and found the República Popular Gay de Espacia y Texas? It's going to be amazing on release when we're all trying to found utopias and ending up becoming Stalins Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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VostokProgram posted:The part that doesn't make sense to me is how the price in the texan market ends up at 25. That doesn't make any sense at all The state subsidising the cost is the only option which barely makes sense, but even then locals would presumably buy it all and ship/smuggle it all back to the rest of America where it's 3x the price. quote:But lets assume that the trade is unprofitable, well that means there isn't profit to go to the trade centers, which means that they are conducting this trade at a loss. Now this loss may wash out in the many other profitable trades the trade center is conducting. Regardless to some degree this means that less profit is at the trade center, which means salaries are lower because profits are lower - if this was the only trade route well salaries would dry up - pops would look elsewhere for jobs and as a result of not being able to staff your trade center the trade route would not deliver goods. This seems wrong to me, the trade won't (irl) (outside of weird shocks) stop because people lose their jobs as traders, it'll stop because traders won't import goods which they know to be extremely unprofitable. They know they're better off sitting on their rear end all day then paying 80 and selling for 25. distortion park fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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Mar 18, 2022 07:42
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Victoria 3: We're all trying to found utopias and ending up becoming Stalins
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I'd like to aspire to be at least slightly less awful than Stalin, even with the need to be ever vigilant against the mutitude of enemies of the revolution
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It's a Paradox game, so the typical player here will bring the fruits of universal prosperity and equality to all the oppressed masses of the world. One way or another
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I hope that they get the balance of "hard but rewarding" right when it comes to overthrowing capitalism or whatever, otherwise it's going to take the fun out of it.
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I hope I feel like somewhat of a bad person regardless of what path, just with the option to go full "drat bro"
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:I hope I feel like somewhat of a bad person regardless of what path, just with the option to go full "drat bro"
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On that note I recommend that everyone play Suzerain, game's good
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distortion park posted:The state subsidising the cost is the only option which barely makes sense, but even then locals would presumably buy it all and ship/smuggle it all back to the rest of America where it's 3x the price. In this case, I think that the goal is the state buys subsidized sulphur to guarantee a supply, sells it cheap to ammo factories to encourages their construction and ensure that stuff gets made, and then factories sell the finished ammo back to the state for more profit than smuggling. The state gets robbed on both ends, but that’s what they get for being desperate.
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I think it would make way more sense for the price of ammo to go up because the state is buying and since the factories are selling for a higher price they can handle the higher sulfur prices. Subsidizing sulfur to get more ammo sounds wasteful because all of the other sulfur-using industries will benefit as free riders. Also ammo should be a basic requirement for Texas POPs like food and clothes. OctaviusBeaver fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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Mar 18, 2022 18:16
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Can't wait for the modern day mod where F150 King Ranch and Lift Kit are necessities for Texan and Dixie pops
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OctaviusBeaver posted:I think it would make way more sense for the price of ammo to go up because the state is buying and since the factories are selling for a higher price they can handle the higher sulfur prices. Subsidizing sulfur to get more ammo sounds wasteful because all of the other sulfur-using industries will benefit as free riders. *Maybe one slider to determine your max budget, another for determining your supply goal, just so you don't have to constantly fiddle with it to prevent your country from suddenly spending far more money than you intended to.
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RabidWeasel posted:On that note I recommend that everyone play Suzerain, game's good Correct. If you want a CYOA about guiding your fictional roughly 1950s European nation out of dictatorship, reforming its political and economic systems, deciding between alignment with the East or West vs staying nonaligned, and (end game possibility) possibly fighting off an invasion from your neighbor depending on your alliance and military choices, you’ll love Suzerain. I’m always a big cheater when it comes to these games, and played with unlimited budget and personal funds, and still had a great time without spoiling my sense of achievement.
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