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What was the last great Savage match? I’m thinking it’s one of the DDP ones from 1997 but anything after that?
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CopywrightMMXI posted:What was the last great Savage match? I’m thinking it’s one of the DDP ones from 1997 but anything after that? It's the Las Vegas death match with DDP. Everything he did after that is really bad. No one is sure why his body just completely fell apart and he would then spend half of 98 on the shelf. On a completely unrelated note on the same night as the Las Vegas death match he did this. https://twitter.com/WCWWorldwide/status/1499087407072874497
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Mar 22, 2022 17:58
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CopywrightMMXI posted:What was the last great Savage match? I’m thinking it’s one of the DDP ones from 1997 but anything after that? vs. Harvey the Wonder Hamster on the Weird Al Show.
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Mar 22, 2022 18:09
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CopywrightMMXI posted:What was the last great Savage match? I’m thinking it’s one of the DDP ones from 1997 but anything after that? Bonesaw vs The Human Spider
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Mar 22, 2022 18:19
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Silly Burrito posted:Bonesaw vs The Human Spider Another cinematic match apologist, now we've gotta hear about how great the Boneyard was too!!!
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Mar 22, 2022 18:22
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MassRafTer posted:It's the Las Vegas death match with DDP. Everything he did after that is really bad. No one is sure why his body just completely fell apart and he would then spend half of 98 on the shelf. Jesus Christ, he's lucky he didn't do a double Sid Vicious.
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Mar 22, 2022 19:29
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I always remember that elbow drop he gave Little Naitch when Savage's hips were gone so the guy on the mat got all of it. It seemed like they'd have to get a broom and dustpan to collect Robinson.
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Mar 22, 2022 22:27
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Dawgstar posted:I always remember that elbow drop he gave Little Naitch when Savage's hips were gone so the guy on the mat got all of it. It seemed like they'd have to get a broom and dustpan to collect Robinson. He cracked several vertebrata and had a collapsed lung from it.
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Mar 22, 2022 23:01
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Silly Burrito posted:Bonesaw vs The Human Spider What a professional went out putting over the new talent.
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Mar 22, 2022 23:55
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Dawgstar posted:I always remember that elbow drop he gave Little Naitch when Savage's hips were gone so the guy on the mat got all of it. It seemed like they'd have to get a broom and dustpan to collect Robinson. Didn't that lead to WCW "outlawing" the elbow drop? I think they did a similar thing with Kevin Nash after he nearly paralyzed The Giant with a jackknife powerbomb.
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Mar 23, 2022 21:04
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I can't remember when it was, but that definitely happened. I remember hearing some interview with Kevin Nash where he said he didn't want them to ban the move because he didn't want anyone saying he didn't beat Macho fair and square.
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Mar 23, 2022 21:33
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BrigadierSensible posted:This is kinda petty/niche question: I just recently watched a recap on YouTube of the HHH vs Batista feud and the way HHH and Flair become total dweeb rear end losers was very funny IMO.
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Mar 24, 2022 08:54
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So I keep reading that Will Osprey is a huge piece of poo poo. What did he do?
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Mar 24, 2022 16:20
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Elephant Ambush posted:So I keep reading that Will Osprey is a huge piece of poo poo. What did he do? Reportedly blackballed a female wrestler from the biz for calling out one of his sex creep friends, and has generally been a dumb idiot regarding #speakingout.
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Mar 24, 2022 16:55
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bartok posted:Didn't that lead to WCW "outlawing" the elbow drop? I think they did a similar thing with Kevin Nash after he nearly paralyzed The Giant with a jackknife powerbomb. To be fair to Nash Giant asked for that powerbomb and based it of the fact that Nash had done it easily before. Nash told him "Yeah that was before you spent a year eating hotdogs and drinking milk backstage, you're 75 pounds heavier now" and Giant told him to try anyway for a question: what simple move does everyone judge a wrestler by? Mine is the clothesline. Lazy clotheslines are my pet peeve.
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Mar 24, 2022 19:32
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Critical posted:To be fair to Nash Giant asked for that powerbomb and based it of the fact that Nash had done it easily before. Nash told him "Yeah that was before you spent a year eating hotdogs and drinking milk backstage, you're 75 pounds heavier now" and Giant told him to try anyway Mine is how you link stuff together, I love wrestlers where its not clear where one move stops and the other starts.
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Mar 24, 2022 19:38
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Critical posted:for a question: what simple move does everyone judge a wrestler by? Mine is the clothesline. Lazy clotheslines are my pet peeve. Collar & elbow tie-up. Really can't stand a lazy tie-up, or when you transition immediately from a lazy tie-up into a lazy side headlock. Make me believe you're actually doing something.
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Mar 24, 2022 19:42
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Strikes are a big part of it for me. Some people, even smaller wrestlers, are just phenomenal with throwing elbows or kicks. But if you're not a good striker, or you pull your punches too much, trying to be a striker anyway just looks weak by comparison. Believable pins and kickouts do a lot for me as well. Not to say every pin should be a big deal and have an epic last second kickout, but some people get really lazy with them. One of the ones that particularly bugs me is whenever someone pins an opponent with a rollup, and then visibly pushes the pinned wrestler away on the 2 count so they can roll out of it. It really breaks the immersion.
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Mar 24, 2022 20:53
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was listening to old WOR mailbags (I jumble them all up but I think this one was from 2009?) and Dave is talking about unions in wrestling, and he said New Japan had a union. does anyone know if this is still the case? Or even ever was? I’ve never heard of anything like that
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Mar 24, 2022 21:02
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I think that was a joke about the NJPW/UWFi angle
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Mar 24, 2022 21:06
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sticklefifer posted:Strikes are a big part of it for me. Some people, even smaller wrestlers, are just phenomenal with throwing elbows or kicks. But if you're not a good striker, or you pull your punches too much, trying to be a striker anyway just looks weak by comparison. Agreed on strikes. Nothing takes me out of a match faster than awful worked punches. The 10 Punch Corner spot, in particular, lends itself to some stupid/unbelievable strikes from some wrestlers. Or someone who throws forearms that look like they’re just sorta shoving their arm in their opponent’s face. Edit: here’s some classic bad punches, 3:00-onward, 4:20 for the good stuff https://youtu.be/A95M1uCdruc BodyMassageMachine fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Mar 24, 2022 |
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Mar 24, 2022 21:38
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CombineThresher posted:Reportedly blackballed a female wrestler from the biz for calling out one of his sex creep friends, and has generally been a dumb idiot regarding #speakingout. The blackballing thing got walked back later in some complicated and dramatic “oh no we never meant to imply that was Will getting her pulled from the show, our bad” thing from the promotion in question that I can’t remember all the details about because it was a mess. Edit: found something about it He remains a dumb idiot regarding pretty much everything though.
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Mar 24, 2022 21:47
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he's british it's a safe bet to just write him off
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Mar 24, 2022 21:48
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Did Will Ospreay ever say "I did not have Pollyanna blackballed"?
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Mar 24, 2022 22:57
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Kosmo Gallion posted:Did Will Ospreay ever say "I did not have Pollyanna blackballed"? quote:I would like to clear up that I’ve never been part of any group trying to “blacklist” anybody, to my knowledge she retired in 2016 while my post was is 2017. I’ve never spoken to any promoter about not having her on or around shows. I won’t lie to people and say we got along because we didn’t, thats normal in wrestling, some people will rub you the wrong way. From this article, in which he also says some of the Dumb poo poo people dislike him for.
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Mar 24, 2022 23:04
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I don't know if he deleted the tweet but his apology to Pollyanna was probably the worst apology ever. It was two lines about her, and the rest was a self-hagiography about how much respect he had for women now and how much he had helped them.
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Mar 25, 2022 00:39
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What are some examples of matches akin to the RVD-Cena match where one guy is just 100% blasted by the crowd the entire time? I know Cardona's recent run has had some general reactions similar, though I haven't seen any of the actual in-ring stuff yet.
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Mar 25, 2022 04:43
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FakePoet posted:What are some examples of matches akin to the RVD-Cena match where one guy is just 100% blasted by the crowd the entire time? Bubba Ray Dudley at ECW Heatwave '99 springs to mind immediately. He could whip crowds into a near-riot state at his peak. New Jack in SWM as well, though it's hard to point to a single instance. Both for problematic reasons though; Bubba would say misogynist & homophobic stuff at the crowd, New Jack leaned heavily into the race-baiting.
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Mar 25, 2022 05:32
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sticklefifer posted:Bubba Ray Dudley at ECW Heatwave '99 springs to mind immediately. He could whip crowds into a near-riot state at his peak. New Jack in SWM as well, though it's hard to point to a single instance. Both for problematic reasons though; Bubba would say misogynist & homophobic stuff at the crowd, New Jack leaned heavily into the race-baiting. I think Buh Buh's heat generating ability is hugely overrated in retrospect because at the time Dudley's promos were "lol did you hear what they said" not "WOW WHAT HEAT!" They were poo poo kids in high school laughed at, not got genuinely angry at.
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Mar 25, 2022 05:42
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Ehh, depends on the crowd. In the ECW Arena, sure, it was all edgelord stuff. But he's provoked crowd attacks that security held back, gotten his tires slashed, had people take swings at him, etc.
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Critical posted:
The thing where people move in a half circle around the ring and go for a collar and elbow tie up. A lot of people look like they have no clue why theyre doing the movement beyond thats how they always have done it and so they look stiff and awkward during the circling part. Running to the rope or corner after being whipped to them is a close second.
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sticklefifer posted:Bubba Ray Dudley at ECW Heatwave '99 springs to mind immediately. He could whip crowds into a near-riot state at his peak. New Jack in SWM as well, though it's hard to point to a single instance. Both for problematic reasons though; Bubba would say misogynist & homophobic stuff at the crowd, New Jack leaned heavily into the race-baiting. I was at the ECW show at the Staten Island sportsfest that rioted, and man Gertner worked the crowd into an absolute frenzy. I mean when you piss people off to the point that they think it's a good idea to cheap shot Big Dick Dudley of all people, that's something. I'm trying to remember a wrestler who might have wrestled in CZW and ROH or at the very least in the east coast indies around 08-13. He was a really big guy, and the one thing I can definitely remember is that his tights had a curly mustache on it. I feel like his name might have been Sue, or some other common woman's name.
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Mar 25, 2022 10:57
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syzpid posted:I was at the ECW show at the Staten Island sportsfest that rioted, and man Gertner worked the crowd into an absolute frenzy. I mean when you piss people off to the point that they think it's a good idea to cheap shot Big Dick Dudley of all people, that's something. Marion Fontaine wore Care Bear tights with a big moustache. Was in Hybrid wrestling, was an old school wrestler with a comedy edge.
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It wasn't difficult to "whip the crowd into a frenzy" when you call them homophobic slurs and threaten to rape their wives and minor daughters in Philadelphia in the nineties.
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Ganso Bomb posted:Collar & elbow tie-up. Really can't stand a lazy tie-up, or when you transition immediately from a lazy tie-up into a lazy side headlock. Make me believe you're actually doing something. Case in point https://twitter.com/DaxFTR/status/1...ingawful.com%2F
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History Comes Inside! posted:The blackballing thing got walked back later in some complicated and dramatic “oh no we never meant to imply that was Will getting her pulled from the show, our bad” thing from the promotion in question that I can’t remember all the details about because it was a mess. That article is pretty bad. IWL never claimed that Will personally told them not to book Pollyanna. Original tweets: https://twitter.com/intwresleague/status/1274740500675862528?s=21 So it was always second hand. Here’s the tweet that people are taking as IWL changing their story: https://twitter.com/IntWresLeague/status/1316782193113477121 As far as I know, nobody has ever provided any explanation for why Gary Vanderhorne would decide to blackball Pollyanna on his own. It’s possible he was close to Scott Wainwright, but nobody’s ever said that while trying to defend Ospreay.
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Mar 25, 2022 14:00
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Hes right
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MassRafTer posted:I think Buh Buh's heat generating ability is hugely overrated in retrospect because at the time Dudley's promos were "lol did you hear what they said" not "WOW WHAT HEAT!" They were poo poo kids in high school laughed at, not got genuinely angry at. This is mostly true but the Heatwave crowd is ready to kill him by the time he's done. It'd be awesome if it wasn't such a gross segment.
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Critical posted:for a question: what simple move does everyone judge a wrestler by? Mine is the clothesline. Lazy clotheslines are my pet peeve. I would also say the dropkick and the vertical suplex. American wrestlers in the 80s didn't really define themselves with an arsenal of unique moves, but you can watch "Top 10 Moves of [Flair/Steamboat/Savage/Roberts]" and see how they all put a unique spin on the same moves. But for the most part I agree with what others have said: I'm into wrestlers who can actually tell a story with the setups and transitions. Like, I hate seeing chain wrestling that looks like the wrestlers are video game models acting out the same stock animations.
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Critical posted:To be fair to Nash Giant asked for that powerbomb and based it of the fact that Nash had done it easily before. Nash told him "Yeah that was before you spent a year eating hotdogs and drinking milk backstage, you're 75 pounds heavier now" and Giant told him to try anyway Probably the only thing I care about are forearm exchanges with no sound. If you are going to use a lot of forearms and they either look or sound weak I'm not going to be very excited.
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