BSD thread for the 2 goons who still use BSD

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Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Armitag3 posted:

No they're bsd cringe

# ? Jan 29, 2022 03:15

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# ? Apr 27, 2024 06:34

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Armitag3 posted:

No they're bsd cringe

loving ow, my tummy hurts from laughing.

# ? Jan 29, 2022 07:09

AlbertFlasher: Feb 14, 2006; Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band

Bumping the bsd thread. Linux thread is getting too much attention. Not enough love for bsd.

# ? Mar 25, 2022 15:58

Silver Alicorn: Mar 30, 2008; 𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮

I like the concept of BSD

# ? Mar 25, 2022 16:53

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

I too like the concept of bad software development

# ? Mar 25, 2022 17:00

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

BSD is easy and fun to work on

# ? Mar 25, 2022 20:58

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

distributing software in the manner of berkeley is the only way for software to truly be free

# ? Mar 25, 2022 21:10

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

free as in eh, this'll do

# ? Mar 25, 2022 21:16

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

lol

# ? Mar 25, 2022 23:06

moonshine is......: Feb 21, 2007

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

free as in eh, this'll do

this but with paid development too

# ? Mar 26, 2022 01:31

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

free as in if it breaks you get to keep both parts

# ? Mar 26, 2022 01:49

moonshine is......: Feb 21, 2007

free as in when it breaks you're not even sure what to do with the parts, and you're kind of amazed that assembled they make a half working thing.

# ? Mar 26, 2022 03:48

Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

free as in mattress

# ? Mar 27, 2022 17:26

matti: Mar 31, 2019

anyone to know which release of BSD first implemented the NLS api? (catopen/catgets/catclose/gencat)

i am bad at googling

# ? Apr 14, 2022 19:29

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

looks like it was specified in XPG4 which was in 1992. FreeBSD's man page archive shows it was introduced in FreeBSD 2.0.5 and NetBSD/OpenBSD 2.0

# ? Apr 14, 2022 19:35

matti: Mar 31, 2019

im slightly surprised X/Open standardized it before it was even added to System V

edit: no i am just drunk. or maybe not. enough reading standards today

matti fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Apr 14, 2022

# ? Apr 14, 2022 20:16

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

Kazinsal posted:

looks like it was specified in XPG4 which was in 1992. FreeBSD's man page archive shows it was introduced in FreeBSD 2.0.5 and NetBSD/OpenBSD 2.0

1995-06-10 and 2004-12-09/1996-10-18 respectively, according to /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree.

# ? Apr 14, 2022 20:18

matti: Mar 31, 2019

quote:

National Language Support (NLS) is the localization interface specified by POSIX. NLS is part of the X/Open Standard Interface (XSI) option. NLS was originally developed by Hewlett-Packard for HP/UX. It was first standardized in 1987 by version 2 of the X/Open Portability Guide. AT&T added NLS to its System V Release 4 in 1988. NetBSD gained support for NLS in 1996.

you got to have a drink after writing that paragraph

# ? Apr 14, 2022 20:28

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

matti posted:

you got to have a drink after writing that paragraph

i need a drink after reading it

# ? Apr 14, 2022 20:28

matti: Mar 31, 2019

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

i need a drink after reading it

i would not get into the history wank but it explains a lot why the api is lovely as it is

# ? Apr 14, 2022 20:31

matti: Mar 31, 2019

quote:

The purpose of NLS is retrieval of locale-specific strings. In its core are message catalogs. Message catalogs are files created by the gencat utility. The input to gencat are message text files. The following creates a message catalog for the fi_FI.UTF-8 locale:

$ mkdir fi_FI.UTF-8
$ gencat fi_FI.UTF-8/hello.cat /dev/stdin
$set 1
1 Moro, maailma! 🏒^D

(FreeBSD/Darwin/macOS gencat has a defect where you can not use the - operand to signify standard input.)

You access message catalogs with three functions declared by the <nl_types.h> header:

catopen
catgets
catclose

The preceding message catalog can be used in the following manner (sans error handling):

setlocale(LC_ALL, "");
nl_catd messages = catopen("hello", NL_CAT_LOCALE);
puts(catgets(messages, 1, 1, "Hello, world!"));
catclose(messages);

The code behaves like this:

$ export NLSPATH=./%L/%N.cat
$ ./hello
Hello, world!
$ LC_MESSAGES=fi_FI.UTF-8 ./hello
Moro, maailma! 🏒

Message text files

here is rest of my garbage so far. i sorta want to make a thread for technical writing

# ? Apr 14, 2022 20:45

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

# ? Apr 14, 2022 20:50

matti: Mar 31, 2019

hello.cat is actually a file that prints goatse onto your terminal using ANSI escape codes

# ? Apr 14, 2022 21:14

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

matti posted:

hello.cat is actually a file that prints goatse onto your terminal using ANSI escape codes

so that's where the eris free network message of the day comes from

# ? Apr 14, 2022 22:03

matti: Mar 31, 2019

quote:

anyone to know which release of BSD first implemented the NLS api? (catopen/catgets/catclose/gencat)

i looked into this (re: message catalog internals):

quote:

Alfalfa Software developed a public domain message catalog implementation between 1990 and 1991. NetBSD added the implementation in 1994. FreeBSD added it from NetBSD in 1995. Mac OS X inherited it from FreeBSD. According to developer Kee Hinckley's LinkedIn, it has also been used by some Linux distributions in the past.

NetBSD used the implementation until 1996. FreeBSD used it until 2005. macOS still uses it in a form (see below).

and also into this:

quote:

The macOS message catalog implementation is from FreeBSD. macOS uses the Alfalfa Software message catalog format, except:

- int32_t replaces long.
- The byte order is always big-endian.
- The message structure never has padding bytes.

Apple made the changes to the format in 2006 and 2007 (Libc-391.4.3 and Libc-498).

e: whoops quote the not edited my original post:

matti fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 21, 2022

# ? Apr 21, 2022 19:10

matti: Mar 31, 2019

thats some good ancient source code spelunking

matti fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Apr 21, 2022

# ? Apr 21, 2022 19:13

Mr. Crow: May 22, 2008; Snap City mayor for life

What is everyone's thoughts on bastille?

# ? Apr 21, 2022 19:39

matti: Mar 31, 2019

i meant to say that the alfalfa message catalog format is fun

the implementation mmap()'s a file and then re-uses the on-disk structures at runtime by replacing some offsets with pointers. also lol that apple still ships that code

# ? Apr 21, 2022 19:54

Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

OpenBSD 7.1 is out, new major features are apple silicon support, improved SMP performance, wireless improvements (including initial support for ac)

# ? Apr 21, 2022 21:49

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

sick

kinda wish I had a reason to run freebsd

# ? Apr 21, 2022 23:38

Radia: Jul 14, 2021; And someday, together.. We'll shine.

Kazinsal posted:

OpenBSD 7.1 is out, new major features are apple silicon support, improved SMP performance, wireless improvements (including initial support for ac)

woah, apple silicon support?

# ? Apr 22, 2022 01:28

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

Mr. Crow posted:

What is everyone's thoughts on bastille?

kinda odd they named their secure os after something that was famously stormed by the common rabble

# ? Apr 22, 2022 02:55

BobHoward: Feb 13, 2012; The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Lady Radia posted:

woah, apple silicon support?

asahi linux has an initial release out too

they've been swapping info and bsd is borrowing hector martin's m1n1 bootloader iirc

# ? Apr 22, 2022 06:58

Qtotonibudinibudet: Nov 7, 2011; Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Lady Radia posted:

woah, apple silicon support?

i mean, it's OpenBSD, the os committed to maintaining successful builds on architectures that haven't existed since like the 80s

now, as to who will _use_ this in practice idk

probably mostly my weird french coworker who unironically ran openbsd as his regular laptop os for daily use

# ? Apr 22, 2022 07:10

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

and macOS 12.1 added a raw image mode for booting alternative operating systems so no one even has to build their bootloader as a Mach-O binary

# ? Apr 22, 2022 07:42

matti: Mar 31, 2019

e: im grumpy

matti fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 22, 2022

# ? Apr 22, 2022 08:22

BlankSystemDaemon: Mar 13, 2009

be interesting to see how the driver licensing works out

or whether it does

# ? Apr 22, 2022 08:23

matti: Mar 31, 2019

e: im grumpy

matti fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 22, 2022

# ? Apr 22, 2022 08:30

matti: Mar 31, 2019

e: im grumpy

matti fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 22, 2022

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# ? Apr 27, 2024 06:34

matti: Mar 31, 2019

e: im grumpy

matti fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Apr 22, 2022

# ? Apr 22, 2022 08:35

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