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Why would Ditko script anything if they were using the marvel method?
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Dawgstar posted:I do wonder how much of Amazing was Ditko writing in Objectivist lunacy and Stan making it something the average person would want to, you know, read. IIRC Stan did that occasionally, Ditko's original dialogue in the student protest comic was even Randier than what they ended up publishing
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Apr 1, 2022 23:48
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ruddiger posted:Why would Ditko script anything if they were using the marvel method? Did you ever hear the story about how, when Kirby turned in the pencils for the first issue of the Galactus trilogy, Stan Lee was surprised to see a silver guy riding a surfboard in the story, since they had never discussed such a character?
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Apr 1, 2022 23:50
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Suleman posted:IIRC Stan did that occasionally, Ditko's original dialogue in the student protest comic was even Randier than what they ended up publishing Wasn’t that one of the reasons he left the book?
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Apr 2, 2022 00:28
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bobkatt013 posted:Wasn’t that one of the reasons he left the book? Being told "no" is the usual reason Objectivists get angry, yes.
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Apr 2, 2022 08:08
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Davros1 posted:Did you ever hear the story about how, when Kirby turned in the pencils for the first issue of the Galactus trilogy, Stan Lee was surprised to see a silver guy riding a surfboard in the story, since they had never discussed such a character? And Kurby sometimes, but not always, wrote some loose dialog around the panels to explain what was going on which Lee would sometimes use.
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Apr 2, 2022 12:05
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Yeah, it's never sat well with me that the artist never got any writing credit under the Marvel Method when they're responsible for the pacing, structure, and dialogue cues... at the bare minimum, and usually much more than that. Any other medium would call that part of the writing process. It would be nice to have had an approach like how movies and TV have separate story (or "written by") and screenplay credits, but I guess we're taking about the 60s, after all.
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Apr 2, 2022 15:26
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After The War posted:Yeah, it's never sat well with me that the artist never got any writing credit under the Marvel Method when they're responsible for the pacing, structure, and dialogue cues... at the bare minimum, and usually much more than that. Any other medium would call that part of the writing process. They did in the late 60s and early 70s. Lots of early 70s comics credit both the penciller and the writer for the story. Honestly in a lot of cases the crediting seems better than some modern comics.
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Apr 2, 2022 17:45
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Davros1 posted:Did you ever hear the story about how, when Kirby turned in the pencils for the first issue of the Galactus trilogy, Stan Lee was surprised to see a silver guy riding a surfboard in the story, since they had never discussed such a character? Yep. I think Lee’s version of the story was that he saw it in the concept art. But it’s pretty much accepted that it was when he saw the actual pages.
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Apr 3, 2022 02:59
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Jordan7hm posted:They did in the late 60s and early 70s. Lots of early 70s comics credit both the penciller and the writer for the story. I guess the fact that I mostly only have Volume 1s and 2s of various collections is showing... 
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Apr 3, 2022 07:44
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We should go back to writers being credited with providing the "words" for comics and nothing more. 
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Apr 3, 2022 11:51
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JordanKai posted:We should go back to writers being credited with providing the "words" for comics and nothing more. Like Mark Evanier's contributions to Groo. He's credited as wordsmith in most of the collections I've read. He doesn't write the story or come up with the plot, just finds the words to fit vvvv Could be. I would have to deal with a comixology reload to check. B33rChiller fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Apr 4, 2022 |
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Apr 3, 2022 16:12
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Isn't Evanier credited with a different thing every issue?
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Apr 3, 2022 23:26
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bobkatt013 posted:Wasn’t that one of the reasons he left the book? I think the final straw was that Lee wanted the Green Goblin’s identity to be an existing character, while Ditko thought he should be “just some guy.” I don’t know if that’s an Objectivist thing or because Ditko didn’t understand melodrama, but whatever the reason Stan turned out to be right.
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Apr 4, 2022 01:04
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Splint Chesthair posted:I think the final straw was that Lee wanted the Green Goblin’s identity to be an existing character, while Ditko thought he should be “just some guy.” I don’t know if that’s an Objectivist thing or because Ditko didn’t understand melodrama, but whatever the reason Stan turned out to be right. I think you could do something interesting with "Peter's worst enemy has nothing to do with him as a person" but it's a pretty thin story compared to the tremendous amount of story Norman Osborn brings.
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Apr 4, 2022 01:21
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Plus, they already did that gag in an early issue - I want to say Electro or the Beetle - where Spider-Man's all excited to unmask the villain only for it to just be some random criminal and he realizes "Oh, yeah, there's no reason he'd be anyone I know."
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Apr 5, 2022 10:00
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Angry Salami posted:Plus, they already did that gag in an early issue - I want to say Electro or the Beetle - where Spider-Man's all excited to unmask the villain only for it to just be some random criminal and he realizes "Oh, yeah, there's no reason he'd be anyone I know." Lex Luthor and Flash get mind swapped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bfBhIM5tb4 For extra fun Michael Rosenburg played Lex Luthor in Smallvile and Flash in JLU.
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Apr 5, 2022 10:18
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Angry Salami posted:Plus, they already did that gag in an early issue - I want to say Electro or the Beetle - where Spider-Man's all excited to unmask the villain only for it to just be some random criminal and he realizes "Oh, yeah, there's no reason he'd be anyone I know." Ditko wanted to do it again with the Master Planner but Lee said, "That's boring. He's Doc Ock." And that might be the actual breaking point between Lee and Ditko.
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Apr 5, 2022 16:26
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yeah "the villain isjust be some dude" can be s satisfying twist in the right story or a good punchline but neither of those incidents were the place for it like if you don't do it right then it comes off as just wasting the reader's time wondering who it could be
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Apr 5, 2022 21:18
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I remember they pulled that twist for one episode of one of the many many many many many Scooby-Doo remakes. Velma is making a little speech explaining how she deduced the villains identity as she pulls off the mask and it's...some guy that hasn't show up before. The people who had been getting victimized by him certainly recognized him and reacted with horror and betrayal that their life long friend would try to hurt them so, but the entire time Velma is just flipping her poo poo because how the gently caress was she supposed to figure out it was this no name nobody that hadn't even been mentioned before? It was hilarious, but using it in a serious story sounds, uh....really loving disappointing without a very specific setup.
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Apr 6, 2022 10:55
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Madkal posted:At this point it feels like ComicsGate is just the same five guys grifting each other over and over and over again. So when are they getting into NFTs?
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Apr 7, 2022 10:13
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Flytrap posted:I remember they pulled that twist for one episode of one of the many many many many many Scooby-Doo remakes. Velma is making a little speech explaining how she deduced the villains identity as she pulls off the mask and it's...some guy that hasn't show up before. The people who had been getting victimized by him certainly recognized him and reacted with horror and betrayal that their life long friend would try to hurt them so, but the entire time Velma is just flipping her poo poo because how the gently caress was she supposed to figure out it was this no name nobody that hadn't even been mentioned before? In a serious story, 'the mysterious mastermind is someone we've never met before' is simply an intro for an all-new member of the rogues' gallery. Whether it works or not basically depends on how compelling your new character is - done right, you get a nice kick of 'oh poo poo, this is a completely new and alien threat for the heroes to deal with, and hey, this new dude is actually pretty cool/enjoyably hateable'. For example, if the Master Planner turns out to be Doc Ock, then he's a known quantity who Spider-Man has already fought and formulated tactics against, so revealing his identity significantly reduces his threat. If it's some brand-new criminal who's embedded himself in the New York underworld from absofuckinglutely nowhere, then that's an entirely fresh brand of scary. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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Apr 7, 2022 15:26
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Darth Walrus posted:In a serious story, 'the mysterious mastermind is someone we've never met before' is simply an intro for an all-new member of the rogues' gallery. Whether it works or not basically depends on how compelling your new character is - done right, you get a nice kick of 'oh poo poo, this is a completely new and alien threat for the heroes to deal with, and hey, this new dude is actually pretty cool/enjoyably hateable'. Also depends on the set up. No one will care that the Master Planner is someone brand new if you don't set up their identity as a plot point or mystery to be solved.
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Apr 7, 2022 16:19
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Yvonmukluk posted:So when are they getting into NFTs? It seems like war news has taken up enough of oxygen in the room that the NFT hype machine can't function properly so a lot of them are cratering in price, so probably soon.
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Apr 7, 2022 19:09
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Skwirl posted:It seems like war news has taken up enough of oxygen in the room that the NFT hype machine can't function properly so a lot of them are cratering in price, so probably soon. IIRC, it's not "war news" so much as that there's a lot of general crypto nonsense that previously came out of Russia and Ukraine, and that's been smacked up by the invasion and the subsequent sanctions. This was always a bubble, and the disruption seems to be hastening the pop.
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Apr 8, 2022 02:33
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Wanderer posted:IIRC, it's not "war news" so much as that there's a lot of general crypto nonsense that previously came out of Russia and Ukraine, and that's been smacked up by the invasion and the subsequent sanctions. This was always a bubble, and the disruption seems to be hastening the pop. I wouldn't be surprised to find that a lot of NFTs were bought early on by Russians to launder money. Pick them up, make them flavour of the month in the crypto set, then get out with at worst a small loss - it's a fairly reliable plan, given the idiots they're dealing with.
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Jedit posted:I wouldn't be surprised to find that a lot of NFTs were bought early on by Russians to launder money. Pick them up, make them flavour of the month in the crypto set, then get out with at worst a small loss - it's a fairly reliable plan, given the idiots they're dealing with. NFTs in general are a godsend for money launderers, in any nation. The art market was already known for its utility in that field, but the initial lack of regulation around NFTs made it much easier. You don't even need someone else; you can just swap an NFT back and forth between your alts a few times to inflate its worth before cashing out for a nominally cleaner paycheck. Now that it's been brought up, I'm not sure what kept the ComicsGate crowd from, as far as I know, jumping into this market. I suppose you could argue that this absolutely proves they're only in this for the culture war, or else that they don't really follow or understand the business side of the industry they're ostensibly disrupting. Either way, it does seem to have been their stopped-clock moment.
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Wanderer posted:Now that it's been brought up, I'm not sure what kept the ComicsGate crowd from, as far as I know, jumping into this market. I suppose you could argue that this absolutely proves they're only in this for the culture war, or else that they don't really follow or understand the business side of the industry they're ostensibly disrupting. Either way, it does seem to have been their stopped-clock moment. I almost want to put it down to technical knowhow. None seem that bright.
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Apr 8, 2022 22:47
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evs planned to make an ape but he couldn't finish it on time
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Apr 8, 2022 23:07
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site posted:evs planned to make an ape but he couldn't finish it on time i can't tell if this is real or not
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https://twitter.com/ArchieComics/status/1514642243042357254 Hahahaha
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Apr 14, 2022 22:52
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Not a fan of this latest Riverdale storyline
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Apr 15, 2022 04:22
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They rebranded the Afterlife With Archie Twitter account for this, sigh
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Apr 15, 2022 10:32
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Why now? When the tide has finally turning against the loving NFTs?
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Apr 15, 2022 14:47
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Samovar posted:Why now? When the tide has finally turning against the loving NFTs? If there's one thing Archie has been good at doing in the 21st century it's hopping onto a trend way after the fact.
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Apr 15, 2022 16:39
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https://twitter.com/comicsgateLs/status/1516183458401472518 Barney Gumble: "IT BEGINS!"
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/comicsgateLs/status/1516183458401472518 Mark Brooks is in the replies to this tweet saying he's pro-NFT. That's not something I wanted to find out today.  e: Maybe he's joking. I'm too worn out to detect sarcasm today. JordanKai fucked around with this message at 02:35 on Apr 19, 2022 |
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Apr 19, 2022 02:28
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Dawgstar posted:https://twitter.com/comicsgateLs/status/1516183458401472518 Oh god…. what if EVS is a goon? Someone check FYIAD and report back!!
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JordanKai posted:Mark Brooks is in the replies to this tweet saying he's pro-NFT. That's not something I wanted to find out today. I’m pretty sure he said that because EVS hates him, to dissuade the NFT frog from happening Note: I didn’t look into it beyond seeing Brooks’ original tweet
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Image.. why? https://twitter.com/ImageComics/status/1516874388569833473
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