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you know what'd be fun? if S3 was Picard getting the crew back together along with the new Jurati Borg Queen to help re-establish some of the civilizations the Borg previously assimilated It'd be kind of like that S3 Discovery arc we wanted but never got
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Cojawfee posted:There is no honor in misgendering someone.
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HD DAD posted:So, someone upthread brought up digging through Usenet to see what people were complaining about when TNG was airing. This is just a sampling of some stuff I found fun circa seasons 3-5, and it really shows nothing has changed - so let's have a little detour and dredge up some stuff from the Modern Star Trek threads of decade's past. 30 straight years of the internet being stupid and/or mad about Star Trek. Incredible.
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Charity Porno posted:It's no secret I think the complaints about nutrek here are often extremely exaggerated and often in bad faith but I don't see myself ever going back and watching either of these series in the future like I do TNG and DS9. That rulebook about Trek is so solid and explains what I love about Trek. As a friend (and people here) have said, nutrek feels like it's made for a completely new audience and does not want old fans around anymore. HD DAD posted:So, someone upthread brought up digging through Usenet to see what people were complaining about when TNG was airing. This is just a sampling of some stuff I found fun circa seasons 3-5, and it really shows nothing has changed - so let's have a little detour and dredge up some stuff from the Modern Star Trek threads of decade's past. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Apr 9, 2022 |
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I feel like I can map 90s opinions to posters in this very thread
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Our last real chance for geriatric TNG adventures. Don’t let us down, writers 
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DaveKap posted:As much as my posting may get lovely in this thread, I do hope that nobody sees me as complaining in bad faith. Typically folks here are good at catching me when I do it and I ask you keep doing so but gently caress so much of Disco and Picard is horrible for good reasons and I never want those good reasons to be considered bad faith. It's trying to be what modern prestige TV is. The problem is that it is bad at being that so they aren't satisfying anyone. I'm very much hoping SNW ends up being more like old Trek, which would be smart of the producers because no one but megafans were going to go as nuts for Pike as they did demanding he be given a show
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It’s just bizarre. It feels like the producers have been doing literally everything except old school episodic live-action Trek. Like they’ve been terrified of doing it for whatever reason.
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If I had to guess, it’s related to this:
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They likely remember how the previous management of the franchise doggedly stuck to an episodic formula when it was beyond tired and tanked the franchise
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Seemlar posted:They likely remember how the previous management of the franchise doggedly stuck to an episodic formula when it was beyond tired and tanked the franchise that's not really true though, Ds9 dipped after TNG and ENT dipped after VOY and they were both serialized following episodic series. I think it was more oversaturation
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I think people were just done with star trek which will probably happen again pretty soon here.
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I'd love to know how many viewers were turned off Enterprise entirely with the pilot, because it turned myself and most of my trekkie friends off immediately with the gratuitous t&a decon scene. I never watched another episode until it had been off the air for years.
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Does anybody make purely episodic non-comedy, non-police procedurals anymore? They probably stopped making episodic Star Trek because they almost completely stopped making episodic TV period.
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Lester Shy posted:Does anybody make purely episodic non-comedy, non-police procedurals anymore? They probably stopped making episodic Star Trek because they almost completely stopped making episodic TV period. No, but it's a spectrum. You can make shows that have 1 complete story per episode that also tie into a larger narrative (CW has perfected this formula with its DC superhero fare) and I think people want more of that. Even DS9 which was way ahead of its time from a serialized TV standpoint still had self-contained stories in most episodes. I mean imagine for a moment a season of Discovery where they were doing Federation outreach stuff for the newly un-burned galaxy and they kept hearing whispers of some anomaly that was wreaking havoc and then disappearing and each episode they had a story AND got some more information on it. Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Apr 9, 2022 |
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Charity Porno posted:I'd love to know how many viewers were turned off Enterprise entirely with the pilot, because it turned myself and most of my trekkie friends off immediately with the gratuitous t&a decon scene. I never watched another episode until it had been off the air for years. Honestly, it took me years to get over the theme song. It tainted the experience every time I tried to watch it when it first aired. Don’t think I watched it all the way through until like eight years ago.
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Enterprise really did go out of its way to put not just its own, but several other people's worst feet forward, and that was before it even started to get really bad.
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Charity Porno posted:No, but it's a spectrum. You can make shows that have 1 complete story per episode that also tie into a larger narrative (CW has perfected this formula with its DC superhero fare) and I think people want more of that. Even DS9 which was way ahead of its time from a serialized TV standpoint still had self-contained stories in most episodes. I know it's anime but I've been thinking about how well One Piece straddles this line. They have about a dozen ongoing, world shattering mysteries that have been very, very slowly dripping out for over twenty years, with so little progress that readers still don't know exactly what the title of the story even refers to. But, it still works, it's been the best selling manga for eleven consecutive years and running, because those mysteries are only happening in the background of self contained, gratifying adventures. Luffy fights the fish people, Luffy travels to the Sky Island and liberates people from a self proclaimed god, etc. You get to follow enjoyable, straightforward, relatively grounded stories with personal stakes, while the big important high stakes story with superweapons that can destroy the world kept mostly in the background.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Say what you will about Roddenberry, but he absolutely would have kiboshed Star Trek: Kirk. I want to print out #5 and staple it to some people's heads. And Discovery violates #8 basically every episode. chglcu posted:If I had to guess, it’s related to this: I'd love to see this chart along with ratings for basically all TV shows averaged in. I have a feeling it's not just Star Trek trending downward here.
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Lester Shy posted:Does anybody make purely episodic non-comedy, non-police procedurals anymore? They probably stopped making episodic Star Trek because they almost completely stopped making episodic TV period. feels like even when you do, you get some baby fart sized season.
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chglcu posted:If I had to guess, it’s related to this: If I'm reading that chart right, that means Emissary had the highest Nielsen ratings out of 80s/90s Trek. (Then All Good Things, then Encounter at Farpoint, then... I *think* that's Redemption II as that high point around where I think Season 5 starts?) I'm kinda curious just what the hell Voyager episode was that really low sub-2 dot. (I don't think that was Threshold?) EDIT: I just checked, it's Juggernaut. Why don't I remember this episode?
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nine-gear crow posted:Enterprise really did go out of its way to put not just its own, but several other people's worst feet forward, and that was before it even started to get really bad.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It still blows my mind that one of the studio execs apparently wanted to promote the music label by having random current bands on the show every week like it was goddamn SNL or something. I only found that out a couple of years ago when they released the two big '50 Year Mission' books. They spent months over the spring/summer of 2001 starting around the last few episodes of Voyager just absolutely flooding UPN with ads for Enterprise featuring Wherever You Will Go by The Calling. They got within a fingertip's width of actually doing it.
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Not sure what's funnier: Starfleet ordering Enterprise back to Earth every week to pick up the bands for their mess hall performances, or Enterprise flying around exploring normally but followed by an endless line of tour bus shuttlepods all spaced about a week apart
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DaveKap posted:That rulebook about Trek is so solid and explains what I love about Trek. As a friend (and people here) have said, nutrek feels like it's made for a completely new audience and does not want old fans around anymore. And yet they keep trying to draw them in with a constant sprinkling of winking references, trivia nods and now a whole series which is looking to be basically made of them. A welcoming pat on the back with one hand and a shove out the door with another.
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Snorb posted:If I'm reading that chart right, that means Emissary had the highest Nielsen ratings out of 80s/90s Trek. (Then All Good Things, then Encounter at Farpoint, then... I *think* that's Redemption II as that high point around where I think Season 5 starts?) The media Blitz around DS9's premiere was absolutely huge. TNG had really found its stride in popularity and it was firing on all cylinders, and had hit the M-F syndication strip threshold so it was airing in almost every US market every weeknight, plus a new episode on the weekends. If you weren't around, to give you an example, my mother, who has never been a sci-fi watcher at any point in her life LOVED TNG and watched it every night with me. Kids at school and not just the nerds would talk about it each week. poo poo was crazy popular. Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 07:05 on Apr 9, 2022 |
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nine-gear crow posted:They spent months over the spring/summer of 2001 starting around the last few episodes of Voyager just absolutely flooding UPN with ads for Enterprise featuring Wherever You Will Go by The Calling. They got within a fingertip's width of actually doing it. I remember being legit mad that wasn't the theme song once it was clear we were stuck with a pop song as the theme. Years later and now the theme song has grown on me, but I still think the Perfect Strangers theme would have been the best theme, it even works with the credits almost without any edits.
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Tars Tarkas posted:I remember being legit mad that wasn't the theme song once it was clear we were stuck with a pop song as the theme. Years later and now the theme song has grown on me, but I still think the Perfect Strangers theme would have been the best theme, it even works with the credits almost without any edits. I love the way that SF Debris just ruthlessly mocks that side of Enterprise by using Kryptonine by Three Doors Down as the intro theme of his reviews of Enterprise episodes. Or at least he did before he was forced to move all his stuff to YouTube after all his other hosting options all died on him 
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Tars Tarkas posted:I remember being legit mad that wasn't the theme song once it was clear we were stuck with a pop song as the theme. Years later and now the theme song has grown on me, but I still think the Perfect Strangers theme would have been the best theme, it even works with the credits almost without any edits. Hahaha The Leftovers uses that theme in a very appropriate way in one episode
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Wheeee posted:Thirty years from now people will be boggling at all the negative feedback for discovery, the nostalgic star trek of their childhoods, in between bickering about the sponsored content products featured in the latest 10 minute portrait oriented star trek episode They won't. TV is totally different now, not enough people are watching it for this to happen like it did with TNG and even TOS. I mean how many under 25s do you know that even watch broadcast TV and not 90% YouTube?
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The problem with nutrek isn't that trek is bad in the prestige TV 10 hour movie format, it is that what is being done in these particular shows is terrible for reasons long raked over. Like if they just don't fire the guy who made Hannibal then we get a very different show.
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i'm surprised voyager's ratings were that low when it was on. it must have picked up an audience over time in syndication, i suppose, because it's always been talked about as more popular than ds9 which going by those first air ratings, it definitely wasn't.
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Delsaber posted:Not sure what's funnier: Starfleet ordering Enterprise back to Earth every week to pick up the bands for their mess hall performances, or Enterprise flying around exploring normally but followed by an endless line of tour bus shuttlepods all spaced about a week apart Amusingly enough, Discovery actually could do this without much tonal shift
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roomtone posted:i'm surprised voyager's ratings were that low when it was on. it must have picked up an audience over time in syndication, i suppose, because it's always been talked about as more popular than ds9 which going by those first air ratings, it definitely wasn't. Voyager was on UPN which nobody watched
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Alchenar posted:Like if they just don't fire the guy who made Hannibal then we get a very different show. I would kill and eat an entire man to see a series of Star Trek done on the style of the Hannibal TV series.
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With mint frosting and a nice tea, Earl Grey, hot
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Confederation Picard's favorite drink should have been iced or cold brew coffee instead of hot coffee
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https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1512834392418308104?s=20&t=CYhMXFSb9UOJHkQmgCWtlA i've been pretty impressed with cosplayers for the shows. e: https://twitter.com/nateanite/status/1512835178959417344?s=21 xerxus fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Apr 9, 2022 |
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