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Kinda interesting how nearly every country has this mythology of organised crime that 'used to be respectable'.
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thrawn527 posted:I watched some of his testimony, but I had to turn it off. Either he turned up to the thing drunk, or he’s such a hardcore drinker that he has permanent drunk voice now. It’s probably the latter.  Shame on you!
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Apr 21, 2022 04:16
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I have both of those too but I’ve never hit my wife
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Apr 21, 2022 05:00
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CelticPredator posted:I have both of those too but I’ve never hit my wife Based on tapes of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard played during the trial today and testimony from police and medical experts neither has Johnny Depp.
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Apr 21, 2022 05:06
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logger posted:Based on tapes of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard played during the trial today and testimony from police and medical experts neither has Johnny Depp. go gently caress yourself
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Apr 21, 2022 05:08
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Idk both seem like scum to me.
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Apr 21, 2022 05:11
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logger posted:Based on tapes of Johnny Depp and Amber Heard played during the trial today and testimony from police and medical experts neither has Johnny Depp. lol, the same Johnny Depp that sued The Sun when they called him a wifebeater, and lost against a tabloid with its reputation in the gutter in a British court where the person doing the suing has the inside track? That Johnny Depp?
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Apr 21, 2022 05:14
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Finding out Amber Heard is apparently besties with Eve Fartlow was a real lol moment.
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Apr 21, 2022 16:17
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moonmazed posted:go gently caress yourself I'm sure Depp did some awful things as well but he's right that the tape played in court shows that his ex is an abuser and likely lied about a bunch of things. 100% agree they both seem like scummy people really. It's at a point where I dont think it even needs to be in this thread it's just two really hosed up people just being awful to each other, judge should just order them both to give $5 million each to charity and gently caress off out of court forever. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Apr 21, 2022 |
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Apr 21, 2022 22:19
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It's gonna be hard to ever know everything that went down between Depp and Heard. But the tapes make it pretty clear that Heard abused Depp, because she openly admits to doing so on the tapes, and calling him a baby for not being okay with it. Whether Depp also abused Heard depends on whether you believe Heard. It's definitely possible, maybe even probable. Lord knows he's a scummy rear end in a top hat. But I'm personally confident in saying that Heard is an abuser. A confident yes on one side is not a confident no on the other. I'm not saying I've now wiped the slate clean on Depp or anything. But I will now say I wouldn't be surprised to see Heard recast in the next Aquaman movie. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Apr 21, 2022 |
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Apr 21, 2022 22:28
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Kinda interesting how nearly every country has this mythology of organised crime that 'used to be respectable'. Historically they've provided access to things that are illegal and shouldn't be illegal. Like the Stonewall gay bar with the famous riot was a mob run joint because they were the only people that would provide space for a bar that people could be openly gay and dress in drag and what not. They of course also provide access to things that are illegal for very good reasons.
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Apr 21, 2022 22:33
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Skwirl posted:Historically they've provided access to things that are illegal and shouldn't be illegal. Like the Stonewall gay bar with the famous riot was a mob run joint because they were the only people that would provide space for a bar that people could be openly gay and dress in drag and what not. During one of the recent earthquakes in Japan, the Yakuza were being written up a lot for being genuinely helpful and doing things that the gov't wasn't quick enough or prepared to do.
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Apr 21, 2022 23:35
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The Yakuza might be a special case since they sprang up as a direct result of the what the US did to Japan in the war. (Not excusing the hosed up poo poo they did/do.) They do seem to be dying out entirely since the average age of a member is in the 60s these days.
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Apr 21, 2022 23:43
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Kinda interesting how nearly every country has this mythology of organised crime that 'used to be respectable'. I don't quite know how true this is, but I've been told that many of the ethnic mafias in the US (Italian, Jewish, Irish, etc) sprang up around immigrant communities as a way to help each other out when you couldn't be certain if or how the government would. You could see how that kind of organization could be potentially life saving in the right circumstances, even if they're still very harmful on net.
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Apr 22, 2022 00:20
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Detective No. 27 posted:The Yakuza might be a special case since they sprang up as a direct result of the what the US did to Japan in the war. (Not excusing the hosed up poo poo they did/do.) They do seem to be dying out entirely since the average age of a member is in the 60s these days. Um, no? Yakuza go back to the 17th century.
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Apr 22, 2022 01:05
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Schwarzwald posted:I don't quite know how true this is, but I've been told that many of the ethnic mafias in the US (Italian, Jewish, Irish, etc) sprang up around immigrant communities as a way to help each other out when you couldn't be certain if or how the government would. Probably true to a point, although the Italian mafia actually originated in Italy before being imported to the US,* unlike the Jewish and Irish mobs, which originated in the US and were then exported to Ireland and Israel. * Actually, it's slightly more complicated than that. The Italian-American mafia started as the American offshoot of the Sicilian Mafia, but it merged with both independent Italian-American groups and American offshoots of the Camorra and 'Ndrangheta. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Apr 22, 2022 |
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Apr 22, 2022 01:08
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Detective No. 27 posted:The Yakuza might be a special case since they sprang up as a direct result of the what the US did to Japan in the war. (Not excusing the hosed up poo poo they did/do.) They do seem to be dying out entirely since the average age of a member is in the 60s these days. The Japanese government got real tired of the yakuza and began cracking down on them about 10 years ago. I imagine that certain people felt the kickbacks weren't worth the trouble for some reason. If you are identified as yakuza you are now akin to an untouchable. Most just joined other gangs, since they're not allowed to have a bank account or own a cellphone. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/japan-yakuza-crime-gangsters/2021/10/17/556a255c-2b0a-11ec-baf4-d7a4e075eb90_story.html
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Apr 22, 2022 02:12
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Silver2195 posted:Um, no? Yakuza go back to the 17th century. And had a lot to do with the social discrimination experienced by burakumin.
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Apr 22, 2022 02:18
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Kinda interesting how nearly every country has this mythology of organised crime that 'used to be respectable'. It's because lots of people like to say things like "my uncle Jimmy's boss knows a guy in the mob, and if you give me any guff I'll tell him!" Then they feel like a big man, like they can sick some goons on you if you don't do what they say. Don't do this, in reality criminals don't really like it if you go around talking about them and the crimes they do.
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Apr 22, 2022 02:52
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Bill Murray is in the news https://twitter.com/deadline/status/1517224201249243137 and twitter is currently full of reminders that he has not been all sunshine in the past https://twitter.com/citybureaucrat/status/1517268568789856256 https://twitter.com/bendreyfuss/status/1517291859877392385 though there are of course plenty of people just yelling “YOU CAN’T CANCEL BILL MURRAY!”
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Apr 22, 2022 02:56
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Chevy Chase also has a decades long reputation of being a colossal dickhead.
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Apr 22, 2022 04:44
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Articles about this news keep bringing up Drew Barrymore’s response to the Lucy Liu incident and it’s just so lovely. She two-sides it by praising Liu for her bravery and then explaining away how Murray was just a comedian going through one of their usual moody phases. It must feel so isolating to speak up about a beloved Hollywood legend and then have your costar more or less downplay the whole thing.
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Apr 22, 2022 05:35
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Vegetable posted:Articles about this news keep bringing up Drew Barrymore’s response to the Lucy Liu incident and it’s just so lovely. She two-sides it by praising Liu for her bravery and then explaining away how Murray was just a comedian going through one of their usual moody phases. It must feel so isolating to speak up about a beloved Hollywood legend and then have your costar more or less downplay the whole thing. Barrymore produced it so she was more like her boss.
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Apr 22, 2022 05:41
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deoju posted:Chevy Chase also has a decades long reputation of being a colossal dickhead. Famously. Something something, let them fight.
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Apr 22, 2022 08:11
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Vegetable posted:Articles about this news keep bringing up Drew Barrymore’s response to the Lucy Liu incident and it’s just so lovely. She two-sides it by praising Liu for her bravery and then explaining away how Murray was just a comedian going through one of their usual moody phases. It must feel so isolating to speak up about a beloved Hollywood legend and then have your costar more or less downplay the whole thing. To be fair I think that's how Liu sort of explains it now as well. The two did make up years later. There's always PR involved in these things though, so it becomes easier to frame it as someone having a 'moment' instead of trying to drag anything out in public. Murray has always had this reputation, it's just been easy to forget it because it was all pre the current love of him. I assumed that he cleaned up his act because so many people seemed to enjoy working with him - and maybe he did - but old habits and all that.
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Apr 22, 2022 08:17
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On the subject of UK pedophiles, there's also (allegedly) Arthur C. Clarke.
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Apr 22, 2022 22:48
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DrVenkman posted:To be fair I think that's how Liu sort of explains it now as well. The two did make up years later. There's always PR involved in these things though, so it becomes easier to frame it as someone having a 'moment' instead of trying to drag anything out in public. People have always loved Bill Murray so it's not exactly hard to imagine that Lucy Liu downplayed the incident herself because making too big a deal of it would have hurt or possibly even ended her career. Hollywood is a graveyard of the careers of women who tried to standup to predatory and/or abusive men.
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Apr 22, 2022 23:07
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CPL593H posted:People have always loved Bill Murray so it's not exactly hard to imagine that Lucy Liu downplayed the incident herself because making too big a deal of it would have hurt or possibly even ended her career. Hollywood is a graveyard of the careers of women who tried to standup to predatory and/or abusive men. Anyone described as "difficult to work with" I now just assume means "doesn't comply"
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Apr 22, 2022 23:39
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starkebn posted:Anyone described as "difficult to work with" I now just assume means "doesn't comply" yeah, same. idk when it clicked for me either but it really shouldve been sooner
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Apr 22, 2022 23:43
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Appears to be the case with Mira Sorvino and Ashley Judd. At the very least, it cost them roles in Lord of the Rings.
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Apr 23, 2022 00:43
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edogawa rando posted:Appears to be the case with Mira Sorvino and Ashley Judd. At the very least, it cost them roles in Lord of the Rings. Weren't both of them specifically named as people who effectively told Harvey Weinstein to suck a railroad spike
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Apr 23, 2022 02:07
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MonsieurChoc posted:On the subject of UK pedophiles, there's also (allegedly) Arthur C. Clarke. I get the impression that that was just homophobic fearmongering, which was a pretty common element of gaybashing back then (and now once again, yeehaw).
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Apr 23, 2022 02:14
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I get the impression that that was just homophobic fearmongering, which was a pretty common element of gaybashing back then (and now once again, yeehaw). https://www.vice.com/en/article/bjxp5m/we-asked-people-what-childhood-moment-shaped-them-the-most The first story here, by Peter Troyer is about Clarke. (CW for pedophilia)
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starkebn posted:Anyone described as "difficult to work with" I now just assume means "doesn't comply" The only person who I've ever heard the opposite for that was Katherine Heigl who got no end of attempts to make her a movie star or show lead. It's a crazy mess because there was so much toxicity coming out of Gray's Anatomy it's hard to tell what was and wasn't true. pentyne fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Apr 23, 2022 02:41
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Weren't both of them specifically named as people who effectively told Harvey Weinstein to suck a railroad spike That's the one.
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Apr 23, 2022 03:07
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starkebn posted:Anyone described as "difficult to work with" I now just assume means "doesn't comply" Chevy Chase. Jared Leto. Etc. The likelihood is that someone with a strong enough reputation for being a dick is probably a dick. Just not all of them. People believed it when they were warned Judd was difficult because it was a plausible lie. There are a lot of difficult people in that industry and it's a problem that productions do actually have to consider. Blanket assumptions are something you shouldn't allow yourself to fall into because that's exactly what the people who believed Judd & Sorvino were difficult did. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Apr 23, 2022 |
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Apr 23, 2022 06:30
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Chevy Chase. Jared Leto. Etc. Now give a non-male example.
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Apr 23, 2022 12:23
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I've heard Julia Roberts was a holy terror on the set of Hook. No idea if that counts of if she was a victim of at least one creepy exec at any point. I'd imagine it would have been big news if she came out and said "such-and-such bloke did stuff at me," but I don't recall that happening at any point - not that I'm dismissing it either.
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Apr 23, 2022 12:46
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I think it's a safe assumption if a young actress was labeled "difficult" in the 90s/00s it's cause she didn't want to gently caress Weinstein or someone like him. idk if that "trick" is as common now but it wouldn't surprise me
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I mean dealing with constant abuse and creepy powerful men is likely to make a person a bit 'difficult'. Where difficult means assertive and firm and asserting boundaries.
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