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lightpole posted:They've been trying to cancel them but there is debate about the president having the ability to do so. In the meantime they have been using the extensions and expanding forgiveness a bunch. My preference is to expand schooling to 16 years with 13-16 in college or tech school. Just canceling them is good but what about the people that come after? Pull a Republican. Just loving do it and dare them to take it to the courts. Show some god drat spine and start fixing things, maybe people will see a purpose to voting for them. Also make the other guys fight to reinstate student loan debts. Force them to put their names out there as the "Yes we will fight to make your life shittier because gently caress you" types to someone that isn't a targeted minority.
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Apr 26, 2022 22:39
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bird food bathtub posted:Pull a Republican. Just loving do it and dare them to take it to the courts. Show some god drat spine and start fixing things, maybe people will see a purpose to voting for them. Also make the other guys fight to reinstate student loan debts. Force them to put their names out there as the "Yes we will fight to make your life shittier because gently caress you" types to someone that isn't a targeted minority. Very much agree. One side already hosed decorum, why does the other want to stay with a proven failed ideology? They're playing to win, you need to be too. The gloves already came off 6 years ago, dems are trying to box nicely in a street brawl
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Apr 26, 2022 22:44
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Every day the Republicans are treated as if they were they Loyal Opposition is another day the Republic is closer to dying.
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Apr 26, 2022 23:18
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Even if all they did was zero-out or subsidize the interest moving forward, that would be huge. Owing 50k is one thing, but owing it at 5% - 10% interest is vile.
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Apr 26, 2022 23:57
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bird food bathtub posted:Pull a Republican. Just loving do it and dare them to take it to the courts. Show some god drat spine and start fixing things, maybe people will see a purpose to voting for them. But...if they do that and it WORKS, then those pesky voters that never contribute in meaningful amounts to campaigns or PACs (oh god the DNC hates their non-paying voter base SO MUCH) are gonna want them to do it again! For free! 
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Apr 27, 2022 00:11
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BIG HEADLINE posted:But...if they do that and it WORKS, then those pesky voters that never contribute in meaningful amounts to campaigns or PACs (oh god the DNC hates their non-paying voter base SO MUCH) are gonna want them to do it again! For free! If they gave us housing and healthcare and debt forgiveness they could tax me at 70% and skim 10% off the top and I wouldn’t give a gently caress. It would be very easy for me to be ok with being robbed blind.
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Apr 27, 2022 00:14
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boop the snoot posted:If they gave us housing and healthcare and debt forgiveness they could tax me at 70% and skim 10% off the top and I wouldn’t give a gently caress. can i have your money
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Apr 27, 2022 00:15
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drat if they forgive student loan debt this is going to be so unfair to everyone who paid theirs off such as boomers who got masters degrees when they cost $473 and you could still smoke around babies indoors in public
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Apr 27, 2022 00:36
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maffew buildings posted:drat if they forgive student loan debt this is going to be so unfair to everyone who paid theirs off such as boomers who got masters degrees when they cost $473 and you could still smoke around babies indoors in public Already heard this multiple times. Also thats the anti intellectualism party so its not like they see fewer college grads and poorer education overall as a bad thing.
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Apr 27, 2022 00:46
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i've heard it from the democrat voting older millenials making six figures i know since they already paid theirs off, also very cool. just the coolest brain havers in this country.
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Apr 27, 2022 00:48
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But how are you gonna pay for it?  What I don't understand about the "America first" types is how they actually reject putting Americans first like by spending American tax dollars on...Americans.  I like the idea of adding grades 13-16 but colleges really need to be reigned in. Don't write them a blank check, lord knows it's gonna go straight to the sports departments. I would love to see something done about for profit colleges as well. Any credible certification granting courses can be absorbed by community colleges.
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Apr 27, 2022 00:53
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maffew buildings posted:drat if they forgive student loan debt this is going to be so unfair to everyone who paid theirs off such as boomers who got masters degrees when they cost $473 and you could still smoke around babies indoors in public You can still smoke around babies indoors. It's not like they can stop you
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Apr 27, 2022 00:54
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Wrong Theory posted:I like the idea of adding grades 13-16 but colleges really need to be reigned in. Don't write them a blank check, lord knows it's gonna go straight to the sports departments. I would love to see something done about for profit colleges as well. Any credible certification granting courses can be absorbed by community colleges. I like the idea of creating a federal program for vocational apprenticeship by federally accrediting trade schools (and passing laws to prevent We-B-A-Skools from conning the government out of money). To make up the educational deficits of COVID, expand the community college system so that high school students can make up the slack by going to "pre-college." In some states you can go from CC to a four-year state school (contingent on your GPA) and transfer in as a Junior. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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Apr 27, 2022 00:59
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Honestly, cancelling student loans seems like a fart in the wind unless public universities can be free for students going forward. A debt jubilee every so often is not a reasonable or predictable way to run things.
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Apr 27, 2022 02:25
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It's the barest loving minimum the Biden admin could do but the gooey center of politics is worried about optics as they're about to get boat raced in the midterms
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Apr 27, 2022 02:25
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Honestly, cancelling student loans seems like a fart in the wind unless public universities can be free for students going forward. A debt jubilee every so often is not a reasonable or predictable way to run things. The patricians won't like it if the plebs don't line up every morning for their patronage.
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Apr 27, 2022 02:25
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Irish Joe still owes me $600
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Apr 27, 2022 02:32
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Nick Soapdish posted:Irish Joe still owes me $600 
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Apr 27, 2022 02:51
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Honestly, cancelling student loans seems like a fart in the wind unless public universities can be free for students going forward. A debt jubilee every so often is not a reasonable or predictable way to run things. I'm not making an argument against cancellation, just one for coupling it to a proper fix. And if no fix is possible, sure, let's get something rather than nothing.
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Apr 27, 2022 02:52
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Nick Soapdish posted:Irish Joe still owes me $600 Javelins ain't free
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Apr 27, 2022 03:03
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TCD posted:Javelins ain't free
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Apr 27, 2022 03:09
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Cugel the Clever posted:This has always been my fear. Actually addressing the root of the problem seems to go completely unmentioned for sake of trumpeting the sexier debt cancellation, understandably, but, if debt cancellation goes forward on its own, I don't see the more foundational fix having any political legs until the next batch of debt-burdened students grows to sufficient size to be politically worth rescuing. College prices will continue to go wild because we'll keep shoveling money into a system that knows it can keep asking more. This is where I'm at. So cancel debt but figure out a way to ensure at least two more years of schooling with preferably 4. Nick Soapdish posted:Irish Joe still owes me $600 If you qualified for every relief check you also got a note on the final one saying the initial $600 + the $1400 was the $2000.
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Apr 27, 2022 05:01
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Honestly, cancelling student loans seems like a fart in the wind unless public universities can be free for students going forward. A debt jubilee every so often is not a reasonable or predictable way to run things. Cugel the Clever posted:This has always been my fear. Actually addressing the root of the problem seems to go completely unmentioned for sake of trumpeting the sexier debt cancellation, understandably, but, if debt cancellation goes forward on its own, I don't see the more foundational fix having any political legs until the next batch of debt-burdened students grows to sufficient size to be politically worth rescuing. College prices will continue to go wild because we'll keep shoveling money into a system that knows it can keep asking more. nevermind that the first take is wrong (there are plenty of people who are currently, right now, drowning under student loans), this is a "perfect is the enemy of the good" thing. don't try and tie some all-encompassing "fix everything" package together, you'll never win. ram through whatever poo poo you can, as fast as you can, and use that momentum to solve more problems all of this arguing is worthless because here's what the democrats have currently done: nothing. do something. anything e: not that it matters. none of us are capable of getting the democrats to do anything when their continued finances rely on them not doing anything
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Apr 27, 2022 05:03
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lightpole posted:This is where I'm at. So cancel debt but figure out a way to ensure at least two more years of schooling with preferably 4. Well if you look at this note i spray painted on the hoosic street bridge i'm short 5.3 million dollars from my previous tax returns if we're paying by that logic
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Apr 27, 2022 06:41
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lightpole posted:This is where I'm at. So cancel debt but figure out a way to ensure at least two more years of schooling with preferably 4. We can’t even cancel the student debt we have and you want to throw more hurdles in the way? “We already paid so don’t cancel it” is now “they will have to pay so don’t cancel it” I know this isn’t exactly what you’re saying but it’s still an lol-worthy pendulum swing. Two sides of the same stupid coin. Don’t couple it with poo poo. Just get it done ffs.
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Apr 27, 2022 11:28
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The bottle doesn't loving move. https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1519294614703951872?t=uWL_cklam3KuyhhuNIJY1A&s=19
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Apr 27, 2022 13:47
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boop the snoot posted:We can’t even cancel the student debt we have and you want to throw more hurdles in the way? They don't actually want to cancel student debt or address any of the other stuff they're pearl clutching over
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Apr 27, 2022 14:19
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lightpole posted:If you qualified for every relief check you also got a note on the final one saying the initial $600 + the $1400 was the $2000. https://youtu.be/KbDJJ782MfY?t=324 Irish Joe still owes me $600
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Apr 27, 2022 15:15
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boop the snoot posted:We can’t even cancel the student debt we have and you want to throw more hurdles in the way? I mean you could actually discuss it but instead we get to Proud Christian Mom posted:They don't actually want to cancel student debt or address any of the other stuff they're pearl clutching over So instead of considering it critically we just decide to put words in someone's mouth. This is a temporary bandaid that lasts until the next term and then what? Cancel the debt and then come up with free schooling. This doesn't even address the "do anything at all because they haven't done anything" people that want to ignore everything because it didn't happen today. The deferments alone are worth ~$5500 on average so far. Edit: Nick Soapdish posted:https://youtu.be/KbDJJ782MfY?t=324 NM its pointless we are just going to argue about $600 forever cause Dems have lovely messaging.
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Apr 27, 2022 15:23
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You call it a band aid. I call it a tourniquet. You don’t forego the tourniquet because you’re not prepped for surgery.
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Apr 27, 2022 15:26
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lightpole posted:NM its pointless we are just going to argue about $600 forever cause Dems have lovely messaging. While their messaging is lovely compared to the right wing hatred propaganda machine, they aren't making it any easier on themselves when the foundation of their messaging is "better things aren't possible". Maybe if they spent an election or two saying "We fixed <thing> for you. Vote for us and we'll do more of that." they would have a much stronger, more resonant message.
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Apr 27, 2022 15:30
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Noone wants to forgo the tourniquet but it lasts until the next semester and then the cycle starts all over. Instead we have "do anything" and are upset when anything is done cause it wasn't enough.bird food bathtub posted:While their messaging is lovely compared to the right wing hatred propaganda machine, they aren't making it any easier on themselves when the foundation of their messaging is "better things aren't possible". Maybe if they spent an election or two saying "We fixed <thing> for you. Vote for us and we'll do more of that." they would have a much stronger, more resonant message. If you don't like the better things aren't possible message then why wouldn't you support increased schooling for everyone with debt cancellation? The logic is baffling. Cancellation benefits the rich to the greatest degree. Poor and minorities will struggle to get 2 years of extra education and borrow less while the debt will impact them more. lightpole fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Apr 27, 2022 |
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Apr 27, 2022 15:33
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BIG HEADLINE posted:In some states you can go from CC to a four-year state school (contingent on your GPA) and transfer in as a Junior. I did this, saved me about 30K in the end. Pell grants were enough to pay for my CC and when I got to my 4-year state school, they still covered a significant chunk of my costs. Ended up leaving school with something like 22K in debt, paid it off within four years. All that said, it'd be nice to see more debt forgiveness come out. I've had my in-laws try to goad me that I paid my debt and that isn't it unfair that people who didn't will get a free pass? Nah, gently caress that. I don't give a poo poo.
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Apr 27, 2022 15:41
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If people think it isn't fair that they had to pay for school, then blame the fuckers who made them pay for it in the first place, not condemn everyone ever that has to go into debt to go to school. This is not a hard concept.
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Apr 27, 2022 15:44
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not caring here posted:If people think it isn't fair that they had to pay for school, then blame the fuckers who made them pay for it in the first place, not condemn everyone ever that has to go into debt to go to school. Borrowers are poor. Easier to target people with less resources to defend themselves. It’s why we get mad at immigrants for working for pennies, not the citizen that is paying them.
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Apr 27, 2022 15:48
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I just have a hard time believing the guy who has done like, none of the domestic stuff to make life less terrible will now do something to make life less terrible
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Apr 27, 2022 15:53
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Goddamnit, just kick the corpse of Albright in a loving hole already.
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Apr 27, 2022 15:56
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Goddamnit, just kick the corpse of Albright in a loving hole already. I thought she died months ago? why isn't she in the ground?
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Apr 27, 2022 15:58
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Lol Bill and Hillary Clinton are gonna speak at her funeral. Sure, drag out the sex pest and the idiot who only does damage to the Dems every time she comes out the woodwork.
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She croaked about two weeks ago and all the congressional vultures have to pick at her corpse for newsbite brownie points. E: lol. Saw Bill and Hilldawg were going to be attending too. Lmao.
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