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That DICK! posted:Past Jurati is gonna take over the Botany Bay and the final season is against Mecha Khan and his Robotic Superhunks. That's actually a drat good "what-if" style plot hook. What if the Borg got ahold of augments and were even more physically and mentally dangerous, etc.
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Wee Bairns posted:That's actually a drat good "what-if" style plot hook. What if the Borg got ahold of augments and were even more physically and mentally dangerous, etc. if it's anything like the mercs last episode, assimilation would make them LESS dangerous
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May 4, 2022 07:02
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But they CAN hit. Elnor can't hit
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Charity Porno posted:like Mars Needs Moms, Satan Needs Star trek
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Charity Porno posted:like Mars Needs Moms, Satan Needs Star trek 
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Cojawfee posted:But they CAN hit. Elnor can't hit She get mad She assimilates Elnor He takes a swing but HE CAN'T HIT
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It doesn't make sense to me that RLM wouldn't watch Lower Decks because of all the self-references. All of the references mentioned in Lower Decks aren't even really that bad because it's totally more believable to me that all of the accomplishments/knowledge of the Federation would of course be used in classes/training for the new Starfleet recruits and the ensigns like Boimler would worship these heroes like Tom Paris and Riker who they heard/read about while growing up. It's why his dynamic mixed with Mariner's apathy for that stuff makes such a good combo even though it comes so naturally to her as she continually resists acknowledging that she would already be at Captain level if she didn't keep sabotaging herself. Mariner's inner struggles alone are far more interesting than anything I've seen so far in Picard. I also like Lower Decks because we get far more alien diversity thanks to not needing live-action practical/special effects.
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May 4, 2022 11:07
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In the first couple of lower decks episodes sometimes characters are randomly shouting star Trek references for seemingly no reason so that might be turning them off. It improves a lot by the end of the season.
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May 4, 2022 11:15
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SyRauk posted:It doesn't make sense to me that RLM wouldn't watch Lower Decks because of all the self-references. RLM are often funny but they are also up their own asses a lot so they think they're too cool for that Trek cartoon for kids
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May 4, 2022 11:17
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Mike doesn't even play video games, he's a boomer born a generation late and is the type that would prob prefer if people called him instead of texting on the phone. I could see Rich watching it, though.
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May 4, 2022 11:27
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DaveKap posted:I also appreciate that Allison Pill, Annie Wersching, and Madeline Wise are the best actors on this show... and it's entirely possible none of them will show up again. HD DAD posted:Apparently Allison Pill will not be in season 3. Then you've got the inevitable non-return of John de Lancie and Ray Karnes as well and basically nobody good is left from the first 2 seasons of Picard. BTW concerning Lower Decks and The Orville and the fact RLM won't watch them, it's because they are sadly, in the end, mediocre in comparison to the best Trek. They're fantastic sci-fi tv shows relatively to what we get nowadays but there's still so many easy-to-find nitpicks to make in them that the weariness Mike has for space sci-fi just makes all that grate even harder than normal. I can't blame him but I certainly think his inability to separate NuTrek from old Trek, which Rich is able to do, is a him problem. That said, even the best space sci-fi we have now, The Expanse, is unfortunately easy to pick apart because of various production-related issues. I'm not sure what high-quality space sci-fi does exist that you couldn't nitpick. I'm supposed to be in bed. Someone do me a favor and tell me... what was the best space-based science fiction TV to come out in the past decade? DaveKap fucked around with this message at 11:51 on May 4, 2022 |
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I wouldn't blame anyone for not watching LD after the first 3, I certainly didn't. They were truly awful. I trust they did actually get better based on the response and I'll probably check it out eventually, but a comedy cartoon just isn't something I have much enthusiasm for at the moment. One day.
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lower decks is real good i need more episodes why would they end season 2 like that why would they do that to me, personally
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DaveKap posted:I'm supposed to be in bed. Someone do me a favor and tell me... what was the best space-based science fiction TV to come out in the past decade? I mean, you already said it: The Expanse. The first 3 seasons were sublime, almost equal to BSG at its peak imo. I never saw it, but apparently Dark Matter was supposed to be a pretty good show? I've heard some people describe it as a 'better' Stargate Universe, and I'm someone who actually enjoyed SGU, so I should really get round to checking it out someday. On Lower Decks - I was also pretty down on the show at first, as animated comedies really aren't my thing anymore. But someone here suggested I give it another try and sure enough, once I got past the early eps I actually found it pretty drat watchable, and ended up zipping through both seasons in only a week (the fact that the episodes are pretty short and sweet helped immensely). I'm definitely onboard with the general view here that, low bar though this may be, it's currently the best Trek on offer (I haven't seen Prodigy, so I can't comment on that), and would encourage anyone who's been avoiding it because 'dumb cartoon lol' to give it more of a fair shake.
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Lower decks is a 25 min show that does a reasonably tight A-B plot, carries the optimism of trek, has a lot of genuine reverence and respect for trek, and is sometimes funny but not as funny as it thinks it is. It is the best Star Trek show in production. It is a middling TV show. There just isn't that much more to say about it. It is mostly entertaining. But I can't see Rich and Mike having much more to say once they've said that.
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I personally don't care what shows some youtubers watch, or don't watch, even.
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:I personally don't care what shows some youtubers watch, or don't watch, even. Pretty much. They're not your friends, it's just a job.
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Alchenar posted:Lower decks is a 25 min show that does a reasonably tight A-B plot, carries the optimism of trek, has a lot of genuine reverence and respect for trek, and is sometimes funny but not as funny as it thinks it is. It is the best Star Trek show in production. It is a middling TV show. Yeah, this pretty much sums up how I felt about it after finishing the second season. It's fun and watchable and I'll watch more of it, but I don't think it's as amazing as some people make it out to be. Even so, it is absolutely the best Trek right now, though that's more of an indictment of just how bad Disco and Picard are, and how disappointing it is that we couldn't have gotten a proper continuation of TNG-era Trek with the setting and general spirit of Lower Decks, but not in the form of an irreverent animated comedy that has to coast on constant references to Treklore for much of its humour.
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lower decks seems to require an open heart, and i traded my heart for power long ago....
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Elnor this season was like when shows have the female love interest be a 2D cutout object for the male lead, except as a prop for the other characters in aunts-and-uncles/nephew relationships, what with the the repeated hearkening back to Elnor at weird moments
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Elnor this season what like when a show has a female with a golden arm and she refuses to give up the golden arm even though it's making her sick (gold poisoning) and so she dies also the show is only 5 minutes long because audiences want "quick bites" (qui-bi) of content to enjoy.
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Elnor this season is what happens when a new show runner comes in and says “goddamn this person is useless, why was he created? Oh the actor’s under contract and we can’t just disappear him? poo poo, fine”.
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no one acts like or references their first season counterpart. i feel like they realized pretty quickly they'd introduced a lorebreaking mary sue character and its the one time they felt they had to show restraint. so he basically acts like a geordi character, a nice boy, a romulan samurai raised by nuns to never lie who picard loves, and he chops the freaking heads off his enemies but its whatever you know, he just wants to help out
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discovery was better than the expanse. expanse is boring as poo poo, i can barely remember why i liked it and i dont think anyone bothered finishing it, if amazon even got around to it. discovery is terrible but at least memorable. man i was hot taking before but come to think of it expanse does kind of suck lmao i thin ki stopped when they finally met inside the portal aliens or whatever that big mystery was and it turned out to just be boring and lame and who gives a poo poo
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That DICK! posted:no one acts like or references their first season counterpart. i feel like they realized pretty quickly they'd introduced a lorebreaking mary sue character and its the one time they felt they had to show restraint. so he basically acts like a geordi character, a nice boy, a romulan samurai raised by nuns to never lie who picard loves, and he chops the freaking heads off his enemies but its whatever you know, he just wants to help out Elnor doesn't actually do anything in season one, after his first episode he doesn't protect Picard from anything and then he leaves the crew to bodyguard Hugh, which he immediately fails at.
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Khanstant posted:discovery was better than the expanse. expanse is boring as poo poo, i can barely remember why i liked it and i dont think anyone bothered finishing it, if amazon even got around to it. discovery is terrible but at least memorable. man i was hot taking before but come to think of it expanse does kind of suck lmao i thin ki stopped when they finally met inside the portal aliens or whatever that big mystery was and it turned out to just be boring and lame and who gives a poo poo Seasons 4-6 were pretty terrible and not worth making/viewing. The space Osama Bin Laden character and his son plot sucked up all the airtime and was unbearable to get through.
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lmao 6?! yeah ppl def stopped tlaking about it after 3-4 i figured that was it
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Alchenar posted:Elnor doesn't actually do anything in season one, after his first episode he doesn't protect Picard from anything and then he leaves the crew to bodyguard Hugh, which he immediately fails at. He stays behind on the cube to "hold them off" while soji and picard go through a teleporter. It doesn't make any sense because it's an instant teleport and they can all just walk through it, but they needed to contrive a reason for him to stay on the cube so that he can send a signal to seven and get her back to the cube for that plot to go into motion.
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Drunk in Space posted:I never saw it, but apparently Dark Matter was supposed to be a pretty good show? I've heard some people describe it as a 'better' Stargate Universe, and I'm someone who actually enjoyed SGU, so I should really get round to checking it out someday. Dark Matter was super good, and it also had my all-time favorite time loop episode in anything ever.
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Charity Porno posted:Dark Matter was super good, and it also had my all-time favorite time loop episode in anything ever. Dark Matter was terrible and Killjoys was the far superior show at the time. What's going on? Who knows?! Wait the one space-samurai guy does! Turns out there's an entire planet that's just Space Japan and he's the Space Japanese Emperor. Does any of this matter? No, because there was no world or character building to speak of outside of the android.
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Dark Matter was terrible and Killjoys was the far superior show at the time. What's going on? Who knows?! Wait the one space-samurai guy does! Turns out there's an entire planet that's just Space Japan and he's the Space Japanese Emperor. Does any of this matter? No, because there was no world or character building to speak of outside of the android. The Killjoys finale retroactively made the whole show worse. Turns out you do not have to hand it to every single character, especially the villains. All of s5 was pretty poo poo tbh.
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Dark Matter wasn't very good but I found the actors enjoyable in their roles and it felt enough like off-brand Stargate that I could roll with it. I thought it got cancelled right as it was starting to get interesting tbh.
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HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:Dark Matter was terrible and Killjoys was the far superior show at the time. What's going on? Who knows?! Wait the one space-samurai guy does! Turns out there's an entire planet that's just Space Japan and he's the Space Japanese Emperor. Does any of this matter? No, because there was no world or character building to speak of outside of the android. Yeah space Japan was cool sorry you don't like cool things
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I enjoyed Killjoys until the end where it must have been so bad that I completely forgot what happened, but I remember thinking it was stupid. Dark Matter was good until it got canceled. I liked it more than I did Killjoys at the time. Also what is this poo poo where The Expanse is bad? lol, yeah sure.
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People didn't like the Expanse post asteroid strike? Season 3 was the high point, but it was a solid show right through.
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Nobody said Expanse sucked. ...or maybe they did, there's a brief blank period in my internal security footage. Hold on, there's one camera on an independent system that may have caught-- Oh my god. What am I doing? Is that... That's not my blood, is it?
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I have read all 9 books of The Expanse and it has a very satisfying ending but I've been avoiding the show because it might tarnish the books and the opinions in here are telling me that was a good move. I understand why they wouldn't want to put books 7-9 on TV though, it gets a bit abstract.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:The Killjoys finale retroactively made the whole show worse. Turns out you do not have to hand it to every single character, especially the villains. All of s5 was pretty poo poo tbh. I don't know what you're talking about, Killjoys ended after season 3.
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Oyster posted:I have read all 9 books of The Expanse and it has a very satisfying ending but I've been avoiding the show because it might tarnish the books and the opinions in here are telling me that was a good move. I understand why they wouldn't want to put books 7-9 on TV though, it gets a bit abstract. What no the show is amazing and they re-do it to work with TV, it's not like...any other book to TV adaptation
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