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FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014



The color scheme of my high school which had probably been last renovated in the 70s (before I went there in the late 90s). Same flooring for sure.

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namlosh
Feb 11, 2014

I name this haircut "The Sad Rhino".
So, are we talking ALL computers? Or just PCs?

It seems like the old computers were just aping the color of lab equipment like the power supplies and such from the 60s. I have a HP 6113A on my desk from 60-something and the faceplate is the exact same light beige color.

As for PCs, the IBM 5150 came out and set the standard… many of the rest were “clones”. And if you want people to believe your computer is a clone of the 5150 then it better be the same color at least.

Funny enough though, my dad started a tech company in the early 80’s and we had an IBM “Industrial” model pc. It was gray, not beige at all, so I don’t think it was as set in stone as everyone thinks.

But I haven’t done a lick of research so I may be completely off

YerDa Zabam
Aug 13, 2016



I always assumed that the dude in Cathode Ray Dude was a dude called Ray. Nope.
That fact that his name is the same as an old joystick I have somewhere is very fitting though.

He reveals it at the start of his 100,000 sub celebration stream. It's great that he's climbing in popularity, he seems like a very good egg. A 9+ hour stream is well out of my range though, jeez

-edit- Heh, after watching about 5 minutes, I might well end up watching loads of this. The guy is a treasure, and it looks different to 99% of streams

YerDa Zabam fucked around with this message at 07:41 on May 8, 2022

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


The most refreshing thing about the way CRD presents things is they will straight up say "I can't verify this, I don't know who to contact and there's no information online, but this is how logically I think it would work". Lots of other tech people seem to veer towards just stating things they've guessed as truth and not really being open that they didn't base it on research.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
His videos seem long for me to watch too often. Still, I enjoyed that one with the mystery Beta tape I think it was with sprite animations.

Prescription Combs
Apr 20, 2005
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Haha wow what a blast from the past. I bought one of those off craigslist way back for a few hundo to play games, mostly to stay awake, on a lovely graveyard shift job. Wish I would have kept it for the novelty, oh well..

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


My dad had a very low end Acer laptop (with a Sempron CPU) but it obviously used the same case as that, without the red accents, and to this day it's the crappiest computer in terms of build quality that I have ever touched.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

Adolf Glitter posted:

I always assumed that the dude in Cathode Ray Dude was a dude called Ray. Nope.
That fact that his name is the same as an old joystick I have somewhere is very fitting though.

He reveals it at the start of his 100,000 sub celebration stream. It's great that he's climbing in popularity, he seems like a very good egg. A 9+ hour stream is well out of my range though, jeez

-edit- Heh, after watching about 5 minutes, I might well end up watching loads of this. The guy is a treasure, and it looks different to 99% of streams

Towards the end of the stream he said he will cut it into the individual segments and repost them separately (maybe on his second channel) which as someone who watched the stream I would highly recommend simply because there were a lot of adorable technical issues/stream breaks and stuff. Nothing ruinous, just saves you skipping through the loading bits.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Former Human posted:

I expect James Bond to bust through the ceiling, tear that place up, and sexually assault seduce the token young lady staffer.

Nothing 'token' about her presence; women made up a far greater proportion of computer programmers back then than they did after the mid-80s.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Klyith posted:

That fits, 1970s IBM had a loosened tie and a bottle of booze in the design office:





bring back the corporate aesthetic with the disco porn groove background track

As promotional pictures for the System/360, I'd guess these are from the 60s, not the 70s.

njsykora
Jan 23, 2012

Robots confuse squirrels.


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Nothing 'token' about her presence; women made up a far greater proportion of computer programmers back then than they did after the mid-80s.

Yeah if I remember the history, programming the computer was considered unskilled manual work (because paper tape), hence it fell to women to basically make the computer do what the men wanted it to. You see this in old footage of Bletchley Park and Colossus too.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

njsykora posted:

Yeah if I remember the history, programming the computer was considered unskilled manual work (because paper tape), hence it fell to women to basically make the computer do what the men wanted it to. You see this in old footage of Bletchley Park and Colossus too.

I think it's the other way around: programming was considered unskilled mostly because women were the ones doing it.

And women were programmers due to WW2. During the war tons of women got employed as computers ("person who computes") -- women got the job because labor shortage. They did much of the first programming during war and post-war, it was very similar work. But as programming became more important they got squeezed out, particularly in the education system.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

As promotional pictures for the System/360, I'd guess these are from the 60s, not the 70s.

Tried to do a reverse image search
https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/system360/impacts/
IBM's website doesn't date the photos, though one of the advertisements they show does say 1964 on one website I found. The movies they mention the 360 being in are 70s films. :shrug:

edit: It does say "last spring" the 360 was introduced. Those aren't the same photos there exactly but look to be the same series.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

Kia Soul Enthusias posted:

Tried to do a reverse image search
https://www.ibm.com/ibm/history/ibm100/us/en/icons/system360/impacts/
IBM's website doesn't date the photos, though one of the advertisements they show does say 1964 on one website I found. The movies they mention the 360 being in are 70s films. :shrug:

edit: It does say "last spring" the 360 was introduced. Those aren't the same photos there exactly but look to be the same series.


My guess was based on System/370 being announced in 1970 and shipping in 1971. I guess theoretically those promo photos could have been produced in the 70s, but it still seems likely to me that they come from the 60s.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

My guess was based on System/370 being announced in 1970 and shipping in 1971. I guess theoretically those promo photos could have been produced in the 70s, but it still seems likely to me that they come from the 60s.

Yeah that's what I think based on that ad. Plus the file name includes 1964 :P

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



quote:

Hi,

Thanks for your note.

German DIN Standard authorty issued the color-related regulations in the
late 1970s. The specs didn't cite specific colors per se, but referenced
'luminance reflectance' percentages of surfaces in the immediate visual
field of the computer operator. The bottom line was that acceptable DIN
luminance reflectance percentages dictated lighter, pale colors such as
beige.

The purpose was to minimize high visual contrasts (such as black-white)
between white paper source documents and other physical elements in the
operator's immediate workplace visual field. The rationale was that
shifting between high contrasts would cause operator visual fatigue
issues. The research that drove this rationale was later found to be faulty
and the luminance reflectance standard as initially written was eventually
not enforced...but not before affecting the design of many products over
several years.

Note the stronger DIN luminance reflectance percentages applied to surfaces
at the computer desktop workstation, including furniture desktops, computer
monitors, keyboards and processor units in the operator's immediate visual
field. Walls, ceilings and floors in the immediate workstation area were
also affected to some degree

I have material in my archives that references the specific DIN workplace
luminance reflectance issue. However, I'm currently traveling and will not
have access to the data until June.

Once I return, I'll dig through the boxes and forward it to you.

Here's link to current German DIN Standards site:
https://www.din.de/en/about-standards/din-standards

Tom [Hardy, former design person at IBM]

On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 4:06 PM BlankSystemDaemon wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I apologize for emailing you out of the blue on what, for me, is a
> fine Saturday evening, but I'm insatiably curious and hope you can at
> least help me a little.
>
> In the first edition of "Thinkpad: A Different Shade of Blue", written
> Deborah A. Dell and J. Gerry Purdy, published September 1, 1999, on
> page 174, you're quoted as referring to a piece of (West) German
> workplace standard published in the late 70s that is being used as the
> primary source for why all computers during the 90s and early 2000s
> boom of the PC were beige.
>
> This despite the fact that as you correctly observe, both the IBM
> System/370 as well as newer systems like the later NeXT system had
> been a particular shade of what I'd call slate gray, and similar
> systems of the era like the DEC PDP systems coming in many different
> colours, all of which were sold in Germany during the 70s and
> throughout the 90s.
>
> Do you happen to have any memories of this standard, that could be
> used to try and find independent verification of the claim, so that
> you're not the sole source? Anything like a name or year, or even just
> which standards authority would've been responsible for it?
> I've previously tried tracking down independent verification for it
> including talking to Germans who worked in standards bodies in the
> 70s, as well as people who worked in the IT industry throughout the
> 70s and 90s, but without any luck.
>
> Hopefully you can shine some light on things.
>
> Yours,
> BlankSystemDaemon
(Bracketed text is mine)

I told Tom it wasn't pressing, but that I'd be happy to get forwarded either some material or names and other ancillary information even by June or July, so while it might drag out a bit, it's at least one step closer.

Meanwhile, I can keep myself harmlessly occupied by looking through the DIN Standards site, and maybe find a way to access the 50 year old material from a publishing house without having to pay through the nose for it.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


It looks like DIN 13721 could be a starting point, if you can find out what it superseded

Thanks Ants fucked around with this message at 18:58 on May 9, 2022

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Thanks Ants posted:

It looks like DIN 13721 could be a starting point, if you can find out what it superseded
Yeah, the prices of that one in particular is what made me conclude that it might be a good idea to spend some time trying to find out if there's a way to access standards from about that time, without having to fork over way more cash than I could even wish I had.

Zephirus
May 18, 2004

BRRRR......CHK

Thanks Ants posted:

It looks like DIN 13721 could be a starting point, if you can find out what it superseded

From finding a copy of that and what looks like a sensible Deepl translation, it looks like 13721 is just about measuring the reflectivity not setting the standards, I think DIN EN 12464-1 (and it's versions) are closer to the mark. Hopefully posting the summary isn't :filez:

quote:

National foreword
The European Standard EN 12464-1 has been prepared by Working Group 2 Lighting of workplaces of the
CEN/TC 169 Light and Lighting. The German contribution was made by the
Working Committee FNL 4 Indoor Lighting with Artificial Light of the Lighting Standards Committee (FNL).
(FNL) was responsible for the German contribution.
In Germany, lighting in workplaces has hitherto been dealt with in the DIN 5035 series of standards, with the withdrawn DIN 5035-1:1990-06 standard defining the terms and general requirements and the DIN 5035-2:1990-06 standard defining the general requirements.
and the standards DIN 5035-2:1990-09, DIN 5035-3:1988-09, DIN 5035-4:1983-02 and DIN 5035-
7:1988-09 set out the standard values for indoor and outdoor workplaces, the specifications for lighting in hospitals, the special specifications for lighting in teaching facilities and the specifications for lighting in rooms with monitors.
The standard also contains specifications for the lighting of rooms with VDU workplaces and workplaces with VDU support.
With DIN EN 12665:2002-09, the basic terms and criteria for specifying lighting requirements were defined at European level for the first time, with changes compared to DIN 5035-1:1990-06. For this reason, DIN 5035-1:1990-06 was superseded with the publication of
DIN EN 12665:2002-09 was published. It is intended to use the standards contained in the present standard DIN EN 12464-1
and in DIN EN 12665:2002-09 are not taken into account in this standard.
DIN 5035-1:1990-06 will be republished at short notice under the previous standard number DIN 5035-1, and
to revise it subsequently with regard to the advanced state of the art.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Linux tech tips is really on point today

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.
LOL, Linus didn't want to pay for movers so he got his office staff to do it for him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hirwWTJ42ck

Also, at 10:45-11:05 one of Linus's kids gets a burn in on him

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Mr.Radar posted:

LOL, Linus didn't want to pay for movers so he got his office staff to do it for him:

this guy really is the small boss nightmare in a geek package

kliras
Mar 27, 2021
only a matter of time before linus does a sponsored video for exo-skeletons

mewse
May 2, 2006

Inept posted:

this guy really is the small boss nightmare in a geek package

He reminds me of the nickle-and-dime mindset of media production as well. Why pay people to safely bring a radio dish up on to a roof when you can use a rope and almost kill yourself

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Linus seems like he kinda sucks to actually work for. Which is par for the course in the evolution from "normal youtuber to rich guy"

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO



2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC
Preeeeeetty sure all of those employees could nope the gently caress out of it and you're all projecting poo poo, but ok. The YouTuber grind mentality which Linus has spent years perfecting is "why pay the guys who know what they're doing when we can hit the red button on a camera and monetise it?"

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




I mean, he spent time in a video pontificating about workers comp claims and his wife runs HR. Pretty sure that has never led to a toxic environment before, you're right.

Theophany
Jul 22, 2014

SUCCHIAMI IL MIO CAZZO DA DIETRO, RANA RAGAZZO



2022 FIA Formula 1 WDC
On the one hand, if you're dumb enough to be intimidated by that rinky-dink setup idk what to tell you. On the other, his business is built on entertainment value and provoking a reaction from his audience and at some point you have to wise up to the fact that it's all an act. Why in the hell would you, a millionaire and known internet personality where many a weirdo lurks, want your employees traipsing round your newly decorated home unless there was some kind of financial or business benefit to it? When the video first went up on floatplane the top comment was somebody noticing all the poo poo they forgot to pixelate and how their residence could be located.

mewse
May 2, 2006

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I mean, he spent time in a video pontificating about workers comp claims and his wife runs HR. Pretty sure that has never led to a toxic environment before, you're right.

Latest WAN show Linus talks about how Yvonne is vicious in negotiations as well, so all around great people to work for

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Charles Leclerc posted:

On the one hand, if you're dumb enough to be intimidated by that rinky-dink setup idk what to tell you.

Its....not about being intimidated by their rinky dink setup?

When you actually work there and your bosses wife is the one handling HR stuff, that's a problem.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
Any kind of family ties/relationships up in the hierarchy is a pain in the rear end. A long time ago, I lost a job, because I dared to clap back to a known-to-be-"difficult" secretary, that happened to be the girlfriend of the HR boss.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Linus seems like he kinda sucks to actually work for. Which is par for the course in the evolution from "normal youtuber to rich guy"

I mean, the money seems good and he seems to want his employees to be as well paid as possible. He's said his aim for the company is for everyone who works for him to be able to afford a house.

That said, yeah dude even (especially!) if you think you're a great boss and "more a friend than a boss" just pay for an external HR and encourage your staff to unionise because it's good governance.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006
Remember when people would say "the geeks will inherit the earth" and it seemed like super utopian and not just men with tech brain making bad decisions

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week
I think that trying to judge whether LTT is a fun or lovely (or both!) place to work based on the youtube videos is like trying to judge whether a movie set was a fun or lovely environment based on watching the movie.

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

When you actually work there and your bosses wife is the one handling HR stuff, that's a problem.

I said the same earlier itt and someone replied that they also have an external HR firm, which might be the place an employee with a HR problem would go.

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
I do feel like they could take Worksafe (BC's version of OSHA) more seriously. It's a curse of the young to ignore it until it catches up to you.

the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





ltt does not pay well. neither does floatplane. the people you see on camera who seem happy are happy because they value being on camera more than having decent working conditions. everyone else doesn't last long at ltt

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


Kia Soul Enthusias posted:

I do feel like they could take Worksafe (BC's version of OSHA) more seriously. It's a curse of the young to ignore it until it catches up to you.

Yes, being a martyr and shoving things around that are too heavy used to be easy and now I end up with a sore back for two days, so I'm not doing it again. I've got this back for maybe 40 more years, I'm not wrecking it for someone else's profit.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




They had better be taking care of Anthony :colbert:

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

the talent deficit posted:

ltt does not pay well. neither does floatplane. the people you see on camera who seem happy are happy because they value being on camera more than having decent working conditions. everyone else doesn't last long at ltt

How do you know this? have ex staffers gone on twitter rants or something?

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Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Charles Leclerc posted:

Preeeeeetty sure all of those employees could nope the gently caress out of it and you're all projecting poo poo, but ok. The YouTuber grind mentality which Linus has spent years perfecting is "why pay the guys who know what they're doing when we can hit the red button on a camera and monetise it?"

overclocking things until they start on fire, sure. attempting to make a raid setup with no fail protection, why not? having your staff move you isn't interesting, it's lovely.

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