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Vintersorg posted:Altho reading into it the line is just the gag of someone riding a bicycle dismissing fantastical things, haha. This is the best thing I’ve seen in at least a week. 
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KittyEmpress posted:I never started watching anything star wars movie related until adulthood (around 2014 or 2015) I dont think you should be allowed to like a movie that is mostly just incoherent references to ANH more than you like ANH 
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Jun 7, 2022 17:51
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Vintersorg posted:Altho reading into it the line is just the gag of someone riding a bicycle dismissing fantastical things, haha. Between this and their making the soundtracks for Highlander and Flash loving Gordon, I have to assume that Queen were/are massive nerds.
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Jun 7, 2022 18:01
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Hard to see in that picture but he's wearing a Flash shirt too. But yeah, they were huge loving nerds. The early albums have pure fantasy songs and they all rule. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHC85XWII7E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx_SVPiXnWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p-5CgWP7Iw
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Wolfsheim posted:I dont think you should be allowed to like a movie that is mostly just incoherent references to ANH more than you like ANH Outside of the ending, I don't think R1 references ANH all that much?
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Jun 7, 2022 18:15
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Vintersorg posted:But yeah, they were huge loving nerds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7GFU5ncKhU
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Jun 7, 2022 18:37
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I have never seen this in my life and it's incredible, holy poo poo! Love those marionettes!
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Schwarzwald posted:Outside of the ending, I don't think R1 references ANH all that much? If you somehow watched Rogue One in a vacuum with no outside knowledge of Star Wars you'd be very confused by the random CGI people, what the deal is with Krennic's robot devil boss, all the oblique nods like the C3P0 and cantina guys scene, etc
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Jun 7, 2022 19:52
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They should have done a feature length version of this instead of Bohemian Rhapsody
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Wolfsheim posted:I dont think you should be allowed to like a movie that is mostly just incoherent references to ANH more than you like ANH It's a great movie on its own legs, about heroism and sacrifice and fighting for something larger than just you. It also is the first time Vader ever felt intimidating to me, yes even compared to the ANH opening. ANH would probably be my second favorite star wars movie if it wasn't part of a series if that makes sense. People praise its strength as a standalone, but that strength feels like a weakness when I take an aggregate view. It underexplains, doesn't set up enough of interest, and just very much feels like there wasn't much of a plan for it. As it is my second favorite is probably the 'the last jedi with all Finn and poes scenes excised' edit, if that's allowed. I liked the exploration of the force, bitter Luke, Kyle's self doubt. All cool stuff. (That unfortunately got 0 good follow up, since it is followed by my least favorite star wars movie) Edit: I meant Kylo, but Kyle is a great autocorrect. Even (stabs) holes in walls, like a true Kyle. KittyEmpress fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jun 7, 2022 |
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Jun 7, 2022 20:12
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Wolfsheim posted:If you somehow watched Rogue One in a vacuum with no outside knowledge of Star Wars you'd be very confused by the random CGI people, what the deal is with Krennic's robot devil boss, all the oblique nods like the C3P0 and cantina guys scene, etc I'm not sure how much this is true. Like, how much more do you need to know about Krennic being a middle manager who's bosses hate him that isn't answered by showing Krennic's bosses hating him for his poor management? How could you be confused by oblique nods to characters from other films if you didn't have the outside knowledge to recognize them as oblique nods in the first place?
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Jun 7, 2022 20:28
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One thing I very distinctly remember when Star Wars was rereleased in '97 is that when Vader first appeared it sounded like exactly half the audience boo'd and half the audience cheered at the same time (along with some scattered laughter afterwards).
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Jun 7, 2022 20:35
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I wish people boo’d more at cinema bad guys, but then again, there’s very few silver screen bastards that can generate that kind of heat.
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Jun 7, 2022 21:09
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Just have every movie villain insult a local sports team, that should work. Don't talk to me about logistics and recording different dialogue for every area the movie plays in, they would get booed.
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garycoleisgod posted:Just have every movie villain insult a local sports team, that should work. They actually do this for Marvel movies.
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garycoleisgod posted:Just have every movie villain insult a local sports team, that should work. Darth Bill Burr?
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Vintersorg posted:Altho reading into it the line is just the gag of someone riding a bicycle dismissing fantastical things, haha. Yeah, it really is something special. Vintersorg posted:Hard to see in that picture but he's wearing a Flash shirt too. The first thing I did when Spotify launched however long ago it was was deep dive on early Queen, and I was blown away by songs like these. Like, what the hell? These are incredible (I especially love Great King Rat) and I wish they weren't mostly forgotten by time, even if I get why they were. Thank you for reminding me of these. Wolfsheim posted:If you somehow watched Rogue One in a vacuum with no outside knowledge of Star Wars you'd be very confused by the random CGI people, what the deal is with Krennic's robot devil boss, all the oblique nods like the C3P0 and cantina guys scene, etc I think saying that people would be confused is putting it way too strongly (Vader doesn't look that out of place with a bunch of droids running around, and the cantina guys are actually more confusing with context than they are without), and to be fair, we were all confused by the CGI people, context be damned. But you're right that there are a lot of references to ANH in Rogue One. Some are just visual, but some are pretty in your face. I mean, they meet in the drat Yavin 4 control room. More than once, I think? This isn't a criticism of the movie, mind you. But to say that only the end of the movie references ANH is just not true. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jun 7, 2022 |
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thrawn527 posted:I think saying that people would be confused is putting it way too strongly (Vader doesn't look that out of place with a bunch of droids running around, and the cantina guys are actually more confusing with context than they are without), and to be fair, we were all confused by the CGI people, context be damned. But you're right that there are a lot of references to ANH in Rogue One. Some are just visual, but some are pretty in your face. I mean, they meet in the drat Yavin 4 control room. More than once, I think? To be clear, my objection was to it being an "incoherent" reference. The leaders of the nascent rebellion sitting in a room is not incoherent.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:At this point, it’s clear that - whether we be likers, or haters, or smart people - we actually all agree on many basic, fundamental things: It was pretty funny reading this post and then seeing this thread doing rounds on twitter https://twitter.com/swankmotron/status/1533853606549409792
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I don't think C-3PO should be holding a knife and waving it around. It was the low point of the the 9th movie for me, aside from every mention and appearance of "ochi of Bestoon"
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Jeepers, my introduction to star wars was my friend who wasn't in a fundamentalist cult secretly playing his VHS's of the ot in his bedroom for me. he would fastforward 'through all the boring bits' and show me the lightsaber battles and explain vader was luke's father, etc, etc. it was a number of years before i actually saw them properly and by then i knew the plots like the back of my hand. sometimes i wish i had a chance just to watch them unspoiled as people seem to really like that. it feels like a lot of sw love comes from watching the films in full for the first time/as kids. But oh well! I get to read and post in star wars threads for the rest of my days, arguing over the miniate and what makes it good or bad in very nerdy ways.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:I don't think C-3PO should be holding a knife and waving it around. It was the low point of the the 9th movie for me, aside from every mention and appearance of "ochi of Bestoon" He should've been stabbing people left and right Tracy Jordan style
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Mameluke posted:He should've been stabbing people left and right Tracy Jordan style Allow me to introduce you to Star Wars comics character Triple Zero, who is literally this.
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Roth posted:It was pretty funny reading this post and then seeing this thread doing rounds on twitter Good thread. The notion that Broom Kid is just an advertisement could not be more blinkered. He represents the power of myth and its ability to move people. He also represents the audience experiencing Star Wars as children. He's fundamentally who Star Wars is for.
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Could they do that but be a little less condescending than portraying the audience as a child with a decoder ring shoveling poo poo?
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General Dog posted:Could they do that but be a little less condescending than portraying the audience as a child with a decoder ring shoveling poo poo? Who was intentionally left in servitude.
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Schwarzwald posted:To be clear, my objection was to it being an "incoherent" reference. The leaders of the nascent rebellion sitting in a room is not incoherent. Rogue One is actually an extremely good example of how to employ references ‘correctly’. -Everything is given sufficient context to make sense on its own. Who is this robot monster man at the end? Obviously the same demon guy that Krennec goes to in the earlier scene. -There’s a point to it. Vader is visually linked to Saw - the insurgent who is not really affiliated with the rebellion. The fact that Krennec would go to Vader over Tarkin shows that Vader is at least perceived as a sort of wild-card within the Empire. So it’s all about the film’s exploration of radicalism. -The imagery is employed differently. This is the first film where we see Vader not really doing anything - and showing a character not doing things can be very impactful. Vader’s got a lava castle that he sits around healing in, but he seems pretty bored. (You don’t need to have every character repeatedly get into gunfights, Disney.) -It works with the other films when they’re grouped together. By asserting that Vader only spent a few days visiting the Death Star, the film underlines the differences between him and Tarkin in Episode 4. Consequently, Vader’s stepping out of the castle to ‘take matters into his own hands’ also prefigures his attempted coup in Episode 5. -Nothing is overly belaboured. Vader’s only in like two scenes, and the movie never becomes ‘about’ Vader. The Obiwan show, as a contrast, does everything opposite: They repeat the exact same imagery from Rogue One. We don’t really get any context for why the Jedi are being hunted. Vader being a sadist doesn’t fit with his depiction in any other film. The series is entirely about Obiwan beating Vader again for some reason... TheLoquid posted:The notion that Broom Kid is just an advertisement could not be more blinkered. He represents the power of myth and its ability to move people. He also represents the audience experiencing Star Wars as children. He's fundamentally who Star Wars is for. I addressed that argument in my post, albeit indirectly: the argument for “the power of myth and how it moves people” is undercut by the “maybe”. Broom kid is ambiguous, posing a challenge to the audience: is he just gonna be another well-meaning idiot, business as usual, or will he maybe accomplish something by accident? SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jun 8, 2022 |
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It's pretty perverse for broom kid to be indoctrinated into the republic/jedi cause which has been shown to have effectively no interest in the abolition of slavery over a time period spanning multiple millennia. Granted it might be accurate to the role of myth for all that
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No Mods No Masters posted:It's pretty perverse for broom kid to be indoctrinated into the republic/jedi cause which has been shown to have effectively no interest in the abolition of slavery over a time period spanning multiple millennia. Granted it might be accurate to the role of myth for all that Right: if you really want to talk about myth, the Lucas films present a fairly basic christological narrative: PT and OT as Old and New Testaments, respectively. After the Father and Son (not referring to Luke here), we logically have the Holy Spirit. But that isn’t what Broom Kid represents. The kid follows Luke - and Luke Skywalker in TLJ is, like Rey, an Antichrist figure.
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his name is Temiri Blagg, haven't you seen the movie
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To be clear I am in agreement with SMG that The Last Jedi is largely just retelling what previous Star Wars movies have already done.
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Wolfsheim posted:If you somehow watched Rogue One in a vacuum with no outside knowledge of Star Wars you'd be very confused by the random CGI people, what the deal is with Krennic's robot devil boss, all the oblique nods like the C3P0 and cantina guys scene, etc If they knew that Star Wars was a thing they'd probably be fine, just like how audiences are fine with the MCU making references to other stuff despite the fact that lots of people don't see everything.
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Roth posted:It was pretty funny reading this post and then seeing this thread doing rounds on twitter 'Superior officers owe subordinates zero context to their orders', oh gently caress off not this again.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:If they knew that Star Wars was a thing they'd probably be fine, just like how audiences are fine with the MCU making references to other stuff despite the fact that lots of people don't see everything. This is true for me with the movie's non-ANH references: I have no idea why Saw is important, but he must be because people talk about him a lot and he gets a big death scene. Were all his scenes cut, or was I just supposed to care about him from a comic book tie-in, or both? Either way it makes the film feel less like a complete story and more a companion to other things you already watched. Which isn't something exclusively wrong with Rogue One obviously (Revenge of the Sith opening with a villain that has never been seen before but is suddenly extremely important is also poor storytelling), but it doesn't do it any favors either. Ghost Leviathan posted:'Superior officers owe subordinates zero context to their orders', oh gently caress off not this again. This is why 'Poe stays dead in TFA and Finn takes his place' fixes so many problems: -Rebel command not trusting a former stormtrooper is extremely reasonable -You lose the casino planet scenes -You lose the terrible your mama joke -Oscar Isaacs retains his will to live and does like, 2-3 extremely good indie films instead of filming Ep VIII and IX None of this stops Ep IX from being bad but it really takes TLJ up a letter grade imho
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https://twitter.com/forcesabers/status/1534216055291359238?t=AU3YoyVCdHPJZ6jwPHDyVA&s=19 Not only would it have been a better movie but it would have been better at the reason Disney bought Star Wars in the first place: merchandising Incredible how bad they fumbled the bag on Ep IX
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TheLoquid posted:Good thread. The thing is that there is no reason to have the Broom Kid to represent power of myth or giving the audience some extra nostalgia. Why is he in the film? We're in the middle of a trilogy and people know what Star Wars is. The Broom Kid would make sense at the end of a story where the heroes lose - like at the end of ROTS for example. The audience doesn't need hope to know that the story will continue in the next film where the heroes will prevail.
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Captain Jesus posted:The thing is that there is no reason to have the Broom Kid to represent power of myth or giving the audience some extra nostalgia. Why is he in the film? We're in the middle of a trilogy and people know what Star Wars is. The Broom Kid would make sense at the end of a story where the heroes lose - like at the end of ROTS for example. The audience doesn't need hope to know that the story will continue in the next film where the heroes will prevail. I like TLJ's ending but sort of agree with this. When TLJ finished I assumed the third movie was going to skip ahead several years or something (not to specifically be about Broom Kid per se). Wolfsheim posted:This is true for me with the movie's non-ANH references: I have no idea why Saw is important, but he must be because people talk about him a lot and he gets a big death scene. Were all his scenes cut, or was I just supposed to care about him from a comic book tie-in, or both? Either way it makes the film feel less like a complete story and more a companion to other things you already watched. Which isn't something exclusively wrong with Rogue One obviously (Revenge of the Sith opening with a villain that has never been seen before but is suddenly extremely important is also poor storytelling), but it doesn't do it any favors either. I love Rogue One but I have to agree about Saw. Was he added in because they didn't want Jyn to be the person doing the extremist anti-empire bombings or whatever? It seems crazy to build up this guy who's character design/build up is like he's the Rebel equivalent to Darth Vader and someone not to be hosed with or whatever and then have him in the movie for like two minutes. Last Jedi is a movie I like a lot but, like all the Disney movies is also busted in its own way. I hated how much it kept doing sort of doing something different but it was all in the name of Kylo still being unambiguously angry/bad and Rey still being unambiguously good and resetting everything to small band of rebels vs. big empire. Where even is anything in the Galaxy? Like the first order blows the gently caress out of the galactic capital system or whatever but between TFA and TLJ they're still allowed to build up this mega army and take over everywhere? IIRC Leia says the republic doesn't consider the first order a serious threat. Well they definitely show otherwise in TFA but like the rest of the galaxy is just cool with that? After TLJ I was kind of hoping for a significant time skip and for Leia/Chewie/the droids/Maz Kanata to not even be in it, just focus on Rey/Kylo/Finn/Poe a decade later. ROS of course did the exact opposite in the dumbest ways possible though lmao
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Neo Rasa posted:I like TLJ's ending but sort of agree with this. When TLJ finished I assumed the third movie was going to skip ahead several years or something (not to specifically be about Broom Kid per se). Neo Rasa posted:After TLJ I was kind of hoping for a significant time skip Assepoester fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Jun 8, 2022 |
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