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I just put an 8x9 ft rug and a baby seat in my M4 at the same time. Everyone saying they need an SUV because they have a family of 3 is full of poo poo. Sportbacks are cool though.
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everything is like an X6 now 
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Jun 12, 2022 18:42
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KillHour posted:I just put an 8x9 ft rug and a baby seat in my M4 at the same time. Everyone saying they need an SUV because they have a family of 3 is full of poo poo. BMW smart and gives the people what they need - folding rear seats. Mr. Apollo posted:I'm always surprised how often I read on car forums people taking about hanging out with their car salesman because they became friends after buying the car (like going over to their house for BBQs, etc) or people tipping their service advisor $50 - $100 every time they go in for service, or dropping off doughnuts on Saturdays to the service department "to make sure they get good service". Please remember to tip your landlord
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Jun 12, 2022 18:52
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oops. Wrong thread.
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Jun 12, 2022 19:13
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Godzilla07 posted:And there's virtually no penalty to driving something big in the US. For example, in Rome, you will hate life if you drive anything bigger than a Golf. In New York, the least friendly city to big vehicles in America, you'd still be comfortable owning an X5. I used to drive a Ford Transit in Catania. Never got it stuck, but came close on streets we had no business trying to go down.
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Jun 12, 2022 19:31
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Keyser_Soze posted:everything is like an X6 now You mean Accord CrossTour the OG
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BuckyDoneGun posted:Did you think it was a small hatchback or something? Because of course a crossover/mid size SUV is the same size as another crossover/mid size SUV and of course it dwarfs a tiny E30. So does the F80 M3 on the other side of it!
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Jun 12, 2022 20:09
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I guess when I think sportback I think Audi A7 or something
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Jun 12, 2022 21:07
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Rusty posted:When I saw it in person, it looked so bloated, the cool retro look was kind of a let down. People like large cars though but it certainly is not the hatch it looks like in photos. I posted this before, but this gives a better perspective versus my hatch. It's the new New Beetle
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Jun 12, 2022 21:38
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carry on then posted:Counterpoint: it's good All of the ugly with none of the practicality. Where exactly are sportsbacks actually good?
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Jun 12, 2022 22:01
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Any hatch gives more practicality than a sedan - no matter how large the boot on a sedan is you're still constrained by the size of the opening.
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Jun 12, 2022 22:22
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:All of the ugly with none of the practicality. Where exactly are sportsbacks actually good? I was able to fit a poo poo ton in the back of the Stinger and it looked awesome so I don't know what to tell you.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:All of the ugly with none of the practicality. Where exactly are sportsbacks actually good? They are good because the only thing that people hate more than a sedan, is a hatch back (in the US). So if someone buys one because it looks like a sedan but has a little more practicality, it’s good. Also the first gen A7 is one of the most beautiful cars.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:All of the ugly with none of the practicality. Where exactly are sportsbacks actually good?  The whole point is that they look more like a sedan. Some specific ones are ugly (looking at you, BMW, Tesla) but in general it's a cool and good idea. Not "recently normalized" either, smart people figured this poo poo out in the 80s Look at this big dumb butt here.  And now check out the cool spaceship greenhosue  and you can still fit a fridge there if you need to  all without looking like a stupid hearse
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Additional good for sports back: you can actually buy one (US problem).
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If you are going to commit to it sorta like your Scorpio there, why not just go the full way and wagon-up the entire car? You've already eliminated the one advantage a sedan has with not sharing the cargo area with the passenger compartment. I can't argue against "looking like a stupid hearse" because I straight up don't think that's true at all as a wagon or estate is the most ideal form of car there is. It's a sedan, but better. Always. Doing it on SUVs or CUVs is a bit silly because the argument for those types of vehicles are usually rooted in some sort of practical matter, sitting high, easier to get in or out of, safety, ground clearance, etc. Then you kam off the back for style eliminating usable space for ~style~.
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KakerMix posted:If you are going to commit to it sorta like your Scorpio there, why not just go the full way and wagon-up the entire car? You've already eliminated the one advantage a sedan has with not sharing the cargo area with the passenger compartment. I can't argue against "looking like a stupid hearse" because I straight up don't think that's true at all as a wagon or estate is the most ideal form of car there is.  Meh. I guess if you have dogs, otherwise the liftback has plenty of space. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jun 12, 2022 |
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Russian Bear posted:They are good because the only thing that people hate more than a sedan, is a hatch back (in the US). So if someone buys one because it looks like a sedan but has a little more practicality, it’s good. So if you start calling the bmw x whatever the gently caress a, and Mercedes whatever hatchbacks, do you think the owners will get mad?
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KakerMix posted:It's a sedan, but better. Always. A liftback is better than a sedan and a wagon is better than a liftback. It's a spectrum. And while style is subjective (5 series GT looks dumb, X6 looks actually OK, A5/A7 looks awesome), people still choose style over practicality all the time. Also allow me to present the Daihatsu Applause; looks like a sedan, is a lift/hatchback!  
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BuckyDoneGun posted:A liftback is better than a sedan and a wagon is better than a liftback. It's a spectrum. And while style is subjective (5 series GT looks dumb, X6 looks actually OK, A5/A7 looks awesome), people still choose style over practicality all the time. Misread model name as ‘Applesauce’. Disappointed when realized mistake
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Misread model name as ‘Applesauce’. I saw it as "Appliance".
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Misread model name as ‘Applesauce’. 
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dissss posted:Any hatch gives more practicality than a sedan - no matter how large the boot on a sedan is you're still constrained by the size of the opening. I see you have never used the boot on a Lincoln town car
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Aston Martin made a sportback and it looked great and I defy anyone to argue that it would have been better as a station wagon.
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All the wagons left have pretty raked rearmost pillars nowadays that also compromise cargo space.
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mobby_6kl posted:
All liftbacks are are a half rear end compromise because the majority of buyers who a wagon would actually be the appropriate are too drat stupid to realize wagons are actually good. And now that "liftback" BS is infecting vehicles that should be boxy like SUV's and CUV's turning them into again half assed compromised wastes. quote:I was able to fit a poo poo ton in the back of the Stinger and it looked awesome so I don't know what to tell you. The Stinger is one of the cars I looked at when looking at replacing my Liberty. The cargo space there inst comparable, the reality is it's barely better than a sedan so... why bother? quote:All the wagons left have pretty raked rearmost pillars nowadays that also compromise cargo space. No they dont. Subaru for instance got that poo poo worked out, all their wagonish style vehicles might look raked but there's actually a big rear end box still there.
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KakerMix posted:a wagon or estate is the most ideal form of car there is.  Someone up-thread mentioned the A7 which is fine but Audi's only genuinely cool looking car is that ridiculous estate these days.
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Elephanthead posted:I see you have never used the boot on a Lincoln town car No, but large as it may be it doesn't look like a particularly usable space to me 
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dissss posted:No, but large as it may be it doesn't look like a particularly usable space to me Looks like you can fit a tied up goombah in there, which is what you need from a Town Car surely?
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BuckyDoneGun posted:Looks like you can fit a tied up goombah in there, which is what you need from a Town Car surely? I always thought that’s why you buy a Town Car. 
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I liked my Datsun A10 liftback even if was heresy to call it a 510. 
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dissss posted:No, but large as it may be it doesn't look like a particularly usable space to me 
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Does anyone have a preferred tool for searching new car listings across many dealers? It's hard as hell just to see what is even in stock at this point. I want to be able to check out some cars physically, but nobody even keeps models on the lot anymore for people to peek at. Specifically, I haven't seen a Kia Carnival or baser Sienna around.Koirhor posted:The sales people had a good laugh when I inquired about finding a Sport Hatchback w/manual in Boost Blue Is this because Honda won't do orders? This is crazy to me, Honda doesn't even have a bunch of individual options you can choose from, that's a pretty simple build and if you're willing to wait for it and pay sticker you should be able to get it.
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I just look at all the online listing sites. AutoTrader, Cars.com, CarGurus etc. Pick your make & model, set your Distance as far as you're willing to drive and sort by price. Don't know of any site that aggregates all those listings, but that'd be cool if there's something like that
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https://www.autotempest.com
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Well look at that
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:The Stinger is one of the cars I looked at when looking at replacing my Liberty. The cargo space there inst comparable, the reality is it's barely better than a sedan so... why bother? Look at this wrong poo poo. I throw six foot tall, 3 foot wide bookcases in my Stinger. Try doing that with a trunk. Just hauling all my gear for work is so much easier getting in and out of a huge opening instead of a trunk lid, which I know because I hauled all that same gear in cars with trunks for 19 years before I got the Stinger. But I'd have certainly bought it just the same if it had been a wagon. Also saw my first EV6 on the road yesterday and the rear is as unappealing as I thought from photos, but it'll just be my wife's commuter/family car if we end up with one so I'm not concerned.
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Bro I stuck a fuckin piano in the trunk of my Corolla and it weren't no thang just fold down the back seats and the passenger seat. I was banging out Fur Elise and some sick Ray Charles tunes at stop lights.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I'm always surprised how often I read on car forums people taking about hanging out with their car salesman because they became friends after buying the car (like going over to their house for BBQs, etc) or people tipping their service advisor $50 - $100 every time they go in for service, or dropping off doughnuts on Saturdays to the service department "to make sure they get good service". Also, clean your car (including the trunk/boot/hatch) before you have someone else work on it. If for no other reason than it demonstrates that you care about the condition of your vehicle and the technician should too.
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KakerMix posted:It isn't even that fuel efficient considering it's getting us 24 mpg where the already mentioned old diesel trucks will do 18 mpg easy. Did you get a T6 and/or AWD? I feel like the T5/FWD gets pretty close to or at its EPA mileage but the others don't get anywhere close in the real world.
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