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gradenko_2000 posted:I've been watching a couple of videos on installing an Android OS to an x86 PC, presumably as a "lite" alternative to an OS if you have a machine that's otherwise too low-power to really keep up with general Windows usage anymore I tried android os on a laptop and wasn't that impressed. What does work really well and is pretty similar to windows (enough so that I put it on my parents old laptop and they used it fine and never had any questions) is peppermint os. That thing is hella fast on old PC's. https://peppermintos.com/
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gradenko_2000 posted:and it had me thinking: how much more powerful is an old x86 CPU (say, a Skylake-era Pentium or a Bulldozer-era APU) compared to a current-day flagship phone? I'd expect the answer to be "much more powerful" just from the PC having a much larger power envelope (and chip size/transistor count?) but I don't really know. Anyone have any experience with this, or even just a theoretical background? It seems like an interesting way to create a posting station from an otherwise way-too-old machine Like, have you tried using a ~10 year old PC with windows 10? It works fine. I have a guest PC built from an 4-core 3500 Ivy Bridge and it works fine as desktop apps, internet, and posting station. Admittedly this is a desktop not a laptop. Old laptops tend to get way more creaky and unreliable than old desktops. But either way, the main thing is to have a SSD. A clean install of Windows isn't monstrously inefficient as an OS. The problem is that most windows software is much heavier than android apps. And stuff like chrome, the android version is requesting mobile versions of websites that are generally lighter. Now, one of the laptops in that video is way lower spec, such that windows probably would feel pretty crappy on it. 2GB of ram isn't a lot, windows does use more memory than android or other lightweight linuxes. But again, a lot of what makes android work better in that limitation is the apps you're using. And all the apps you're not using.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I've been watching a couple of videos on installing an Android OS to an x86 PC, presumably as a "lite" alternative to an OS if you have a machine that's otherwise too low-power to really keep up with general Windows usage anymore There is also the Android x86 project. I've played around with it a few times, and it works mostly well. The biggest issue is whether wi-fi will work or not. Bluetooth I could get it to see, but not actually connect to anything. And for whatever reason auto-rotate of the screen never worked. I tested it out on a few old PC tablets I have laying around and a first gen Surface Pro. Oh, the other issue I saw is it will run the CPU pretty hot, like on the Surface it was noticeably warm to the touch. I haven't played around with it in a year or more at this point, but worth a look. Klyith posted:Like, have you tried using a ~10 year old PC with windows 10? It works fine. I have a guest PC built from an 4-core 3500 Ivy Bridge and it works fine as desktop apps, internet, and posting station. Admittedly this is a desktop not a laptop. Old laptops tend to get way more creaky and unreliable than old desktops. But either way, the main thing is to have a SSD. In my experience with old laptops a lot depends on how much you want to tear it down. Anything 6+ years old you will pretty much have to put new thermal paste on the CPU and possibly GPU (specs of the laptop depending of course), clean out the fans, screens, and heatsink/heatsinks. Usually the two main things to look out for are the monitor ribbon cable and power port. I can't recall ever having to replace the ribbon cable, but power and/or USB ports, those I have had to fix before. Of course it depends on how much the former owner(s) used it. A corporate machine that spent it's life in a dock, great except the battery is probably shot. A student lugging it around, more chances of something being broke like a USB port, power port, maybe the ribbon cable. All that said, while they are more of a pain to clean and repair (much more of a pain depending on model), SO many small screws, generally speaking they are just as reliable as desktops.
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jay put out a video as a parent's guide about your kids becoming influencers and it includes the fact he randomly audits his 13 year old daughters phone. im not a parent but that's kind of hosed up right? feels like if you haven't built that baseline level of trust really they shouldn't have a phone to begin with, idk
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Thanks for the replies, folks! This feels like a potential weekend project to play around with, and peppermint OS also looks cool (I've been looking for an alternative to Lubuntu)
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CoolCab posted:jay put out a video as a parent's guide about your kids becoming influencers and it includes the fact he randomly audits his 13 year old daughters phone. jay is a massive dickhead in general so this is no surprise
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CoolCab posted:jay put out a video as a parent's guide about your kids becoming influencers and it includes the fact he randomly audits his 13 year old daughters phone. As a parent, this is quite the subject to dive into. Some parents let their kids go wild on their phones. Some monitor it like Jay (or more). Some are middle ground. I can see a middle ground pretty easily. Unfettered access to the internet at the 11-15 age could do some real harm, and they just don't have the life experiences to process something they may come across. There are plenty of horror stories about kids having unlimited access to whatever they can find online, and the results. A LOT of it will depend on the parenting for sure. Teaching a child that if something doesn't feel right, they can ask. There have been a few stories about this in light of some of the recent mass shootings. It isn't about trust honestly. Sometimes they just might not be able to see the rabbit hole they are slipping down.
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As a non parent queer person who grew up in an anti queer christian household, I certainly know both the dangers of having unfettered internet access, but also what would have happened to me if my parents were ever smart enough to figure out what I was doing, and also how important it was for me to have that access to figure out what was going on with me. I also know that the internet I grew up with in the late 90s/early 00's is nothing compared to what the internet is now. While there were plenty of dangers, it was fairly easy to use your head, focus on privacy, and avoid the bad stuff. The internet of today however is laser focused to do nothing but serve users an unending torrent of horrible, horrible things, things that can warp a mind that is not tuned to identify and ignore those things. We have large movements of people trying to recruit young kids to white supremacist movements. We have server clusters with thousands of cores who's sole purpose is to track your movements across the internet and feed you laser focused advertisements for things and services that are actively harmful. We have content farms churning out cool pranks and fake science and dangerous food recopies all targeted towards the 13-20 year old market. As a non parent, I don't know how I could even begin to let my kid get online and respect their privacy without worrying that they're falling into a pit that would be impossible to pull them out of. Jay is an rear end in a top hat though.
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I don’t do random audits of my kids devices, but I do have a DNS server setup with block lists. It’s just too easy to even accidentally stumble on bad poo poo on the internet.
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This is a huge  with many different opinions, but IMO there's nothing wrong with it if there's a clear advance discussion and trust boundaries. (IE, I think it's pretty lovely for a parent to read all the text convos with their friends. But knowing who they're texting with is pretty germane.)Anyways, teenagers are kinda inherently untrustworthy? Not like bad intent, but they are constantly in new situations and it's hard to know how they'll handle different things. A gradient from supervised to independent is totally appropriate in many other contexts -- think learning to drive. First the parent is always there, then they might be allowed to drive alone to go to the store or a friend's place. And then they start asking to borrow the car and you at least ask "where are you going?" It can also be used for abuse and bad parenting, but in that case the parent is the real problem. A good, loving, accepting parent can also want to keep an eye on what their kids are up to online. As long as that independence gradient is the goal that's healthy IMO.
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Koskun posted:There is also the Android x86 project. I've played around with it a few times, and it works mostly well. The biggest issue is whether wi-fi will work or not. Bluetooth I could get it to see, but not actually connect to anything. And for whatever reason auto-rotate of the screen never worked. I tested it out on a few old PC tablets I have laying around and a first gen Surface Pro. Oh, the other issue I saw is it will run the CPU pretty hot, like on the Surface it was noticeably warm to the touch. I've always been curious about Android emulators like Bluestacks, is this comparable? There's a couple times a year I'd like to just run an emulator for a few games on Android rather than having a phone with it.
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cage-free egghead posted:I've always been curious about Android emulators like Bluestacks, is this comparable? There's a couple times a year I'd like to just run an emulator for a few games on Android rather than having a phone with it. No. The x86 project is an actual install of Android on PC hardware. As I said, it's been over a year (well over the more I thought about it) since I ran it. The install is linux for the hard drive format, and they have it pretty straight forward. It isn't all that dissimilar from any OS install really. It also allows you to do a Live boot to see how it will run before/if you decide to actually install it. Last I knew it was faking a Google Pixel as the DeviceID. E - A bit more info. It is a barebones Android install. It does include the Play Store, and setup is just like one would do on any "regular" Android device. You can even add it to your existing Google account if you wish with no problems. Whether an individual app would run, either at all or well, is really hit or miss. One could install it in a VM if they wanted it here and there on a PC I suppose. That said, Win11 is getting the ability to run Android apps natively. The version of Windows with it is on the Insider Build now. So 2-3 months before it goes live? There is also Chrome OS Flex, but it's still in pretty early beta, and it has a Certified Model list. Some stuff it works well, others barely. Plus the list hasn't been updated since late March of this year. Koskun fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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How is the x86 project's support for ARM apps? As far as I'm aware, most android apps only have ARM binaries, right? Bluestacks is nice because it's an emulator that's easy to install and just works. If all you want it for is to occasionally run a game you can't be assed to run on your phone, then it works great for that. It's not worth installing a whole rear end operating system for that.
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They might be using the Android 11 built in ARM translation. As I said, it's been quite a while since I ran it. The apps I tried that I can recall were all news ones, as the plan at the time was to make something that would sit on my desk and be a news and weather alert system. I remember getting fed up because well over half the apps I wanted to install would either not launch, launch and crash, or run but maybe work.
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Klyith posted:This is a huge My opinion is that the internet writ large and social media specifically is absolute brain poison.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:How is the x86 project's support for ARM apps? As far as I'm aware, most android apps only have ARM binaries, right?
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CoolCab posted:jay put out a video as a parent's guide about your kids becoming influencers and it includes the fact he randomly audits his 13 year old daughters phone. It depends on how deep he’s diving I guess. I mean, I do think a lot of the reason lots of people - esp. men - are radicalised into alt-right spaces today is because of the absolute poison they were subjected to in online spaces 10-15 years ago (including corners of this very forum). I had pretty unfettered access to the internet due to the generational tech literacy gap between my parents and I, and I feel very lucky that there were other aspects of my life that counterbalanced a lot of the extreme stuff I was subjected to. Although I think the extreme ideological stuff out there is even more extreme today, the internet is also much more mainstream nowadays so I do also genuinely think it’s letting lots of young people be more socially aware and empowered. I can totally see Jay being like ‘who are these woke TikTok personalities you are following, don’t you know that racism ended in the 1960’s, you are banned from your phone for a week’ though.
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There was significantly less danger on the internet when those of us who grew up in this forum or around the time of it. Sure, if you knew where to look there was faces of death, rotten.com, and weird porn. But that stuff is desensitizing more than life altering. And the internet culture was to always be anonymous all the time, which added significant protection to your online activity. What we have now is groomers EVERYWHERE who are constantly trying to get children to take their clothes off so they can blackmail them to do heinous poo poo. We have direct, unhidden white supremacy recruitment. We have direct, targeted harassment to people’s real names and addresses because the anonymous aspect is gone. Even if you try to be anonymous, everyone will figure out who you are due to how easy it is to doxx + internet tracking methods, and use whatever heinous poo poo your stupid 14 year old brain says against you when you try to hold a job in the real world. Jay is an unfettered rear end in a top hat, and I can almost guarantee than the way he goes about it is 100% wrong, but as a parent completely unmonitored and unrestricted internet access can no longer safely happen. At the absolute bare minimum, I think there needs to be extreme communication about the dangers, and I really think those dangers should also be taught in classrooms, similar to sex Ed.
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jisforjosh posted:My opinion is that the internet writ large and social media specifically is absolute brain poison. Growing up with unfettered access to the Internet like it was the ark of the covenant has convinced me that my children shouldn't ever have to experience even a fraction of the poo poo any early 00s teenager whose parents weren't good with computers have until they pay their own broadband bills.
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i think kids 100% need a "talk" about modern-day privacy, mainly because of how much stuff is bound to stay online and be tied to your identity one way or another even adults struggle to lock down apps and websites to keep them from stealing too much stuff all of this probably wouldn't be necessary twenty years ago, but social media and the ad industry have definitely changed that. it's so gross to see how normalized online talking of girls and women is, especially on reddit where people will just set up subreddits for random women they find online doesn't mean you still can't do it in a way that respects your kids' privacy, though. parental controls are such a mess in general
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It seems impossible to watch YouTube now without ending up with some pound shop Jordan Peterson talking points being thrown at you, I guess in the 2000s you had to go and find the nazi stuff explicitly.
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Charles Leclerc posted:Growing up with unfettered access to the Internet like it was the ark of the covenant has convinced me that my children shouldn't ever have to experience even a fraction of the poo poo any early 00s teenager whose parents weren't good with computers have until they pay their own broadband bills. There's so much you'd have to block. Instagram is tailor made to ruin a young person's expectations of life and beauty standards that there's no way they won't end up hosed up if they're growing up with it.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:
I think this is true, but I think what I'm getting at is that it's also the case that there's a lot more good stuff out there. TikTok is a really good example, where it's equal parts porny bodyshaming type stuff as it is social activism and support networks, which does put a lot of responsibility onto young people to shape and police their own algorithmic content feeds. Which I think they mostly do, because they're mostly not complete shitbags. I work with a lot of young people and get the sense that they're way more socially plugged in to the world, and by and large a lot more empathetic and tolerant. They're much less likely to be homophobic, racist or transphobic towards their peers, to be environmentally conscious, and so on, which is because of how they learn about contemporary issues and people from different backgrounds via the internet. But on the other side, stuff like Whatsapp/Instagram lets you bully your classmates with ruthless efficiency. So, ya know. But it isn't as simple as 'the internet is way more dangerous', because it really depends on what corner of the algorithm young people tug at. It's just as possible for them to see none of that stuff you mention and only the woker side of the internet (for lack of a better term)as it is for them to be fully drawn into it. The internet is a much bigger place, but it's not just bigger in the alt-right 4chan whatever you wanna call it direction,. It's expanded out into all corners, and at least in my experience its directly responsible for so many young people aged 11-16 being more considerate and compassionate than when I was that age. I might even go so far as to say that the kids who get radicalised now are by and large would have been radicalised in the 2005 internet too. The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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The Grumbles posted:I think this is true, but I think what I'm getting at is that it's also the case that there's a lot more good stuff out there. TikTok is a really good example, where it's equal parts porny bodyshaming type stuff as it is social activism and support networks, which does put a lot of responsibility onto young people to shape and police their own algorithmic content feeds. Which I think they mostly do, because they're mostly not complete shitbags. I work with a lot of young people and get the sense that they're way more socially plugged in to the world, and by and large a lot more empathetic and tolerant. They're much less likely to be homophobic, racist or transphobic towards their peers, to be environmentally conscious, and so on, which is because of how they learn about contemporary issues and people from different backgrounds via the internet. But on the other side, stuff like Whatsapp/Instagram lets you bully your classmates with ruthless efficiency. So, ya know. I think you're both correct and wrong here. I agree that there is significantly more positive aspects to the internet. And I agree that our younger generation as a whole seems more accepting. The whole "which way they tug the algo" doesn't work though. It's been empirically proven that almost all of the algos skew right wing/Q/etc, because those groups print significantly more money than the accepting, sane, educated groups. This is true for FB, YouTube, all of them. It's a constant battle to run away from it. In addition, you talk about alt-right 4chan. Back in the 00's, all of that white supremacist, hate group poo poo was hidden as hell. You had to actively go looking for it, and even if you did, if you weren't savvy enough you wouldn't find it. Even offline, that poo poo was hardcore verboten to speak about. Today, there are politicians openly calling for white nationalist policies, candidates being endorsed by the KKK winning races, and hate groups infiltrating our public online spaces. They publicly recruit on facebook, Minecraft, Roblox, mobile gaming apps with community features, Discord, reddit, etc etc etc. Basically anywhere unsupervised minors and 18-20 year olds hang out. And children have active access to communicate with people on these platforms at a much earlier age than anyone from our generations did. This doesn't even touch on the point that every single thing you do on the internet is now archived and recorded for all of time. I guess my point here is not that I'm advocating for locking down internet access to younger people. Or that every child's internet interactions should be monitored. It's that as parents we need to be very active in preparing their children for internet use, and it can't just be a one time conversation. Parents need to have constant, ongoing conversation with their kids to be skeptical of anything they see online, and to trust no one they didn't first meet face to face. This requires a higher level of parenting than just "leave me alone go watch youtube", but really parents need to ask and talk about what their kids do online to an extent, and teach them to be internet literate. All of us here learned through trial and error, but back then the consequences were not very dire. Worst was you got called an idiot and maybe had an anon SAclopedia or encyclopedia dramatica page written about you, where you died in shame in private.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:I agree that there is significantly more positive aspects to the internet. Unfortunately it is down to the end user to realise that and kids and teenagers are, as we all were, loving stupid.
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The Grumbles posted:I mean, I do think a lot of the reason lots of people - esp. men - are radicalised into alt-right spaces today is because of the absolute poison they were subjected to in online spaces 10-15 years ago (including corners of this very forum).  I must have missed that sub forum.
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They're not wrong. They're obviously not talking about dedicated KKK recruitment sites set up on SA, but just the general slippery slope that starts with the "it's funny to shout slurs at each other and mock people with disabilities because the internet is all fake anyway" mentality that was endemic here. when enough people do casual homophobia (and in some parts of the forums, casual racism) as a "joke," it's going to lead to some people taking it into a more serious direction. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:They're not wrong. They're obviously not talking about dedicated KKK recruitment sites set up on SA, but just the general slippery slope that starts with the "it's funny to shout slurs at each other and mock people with disabilities because the internet is all fake anyway" mentality that was endemic here. EDIT: I don't mean to downplay the importance of normalization of bad behaviour and its effects, but it has to be a relatively small effect that I feel like must in large part be outweighed in most people by the basic self-reflection techniques we're (hopefully) taught as kids, that among other things involve asking ourselves "Am I the rear end in a top hat here?" BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jul 1, 2022 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I have a strong feeling that if you're the sort of person who makes "jokes" about homophobia or racism, then you're at risk of ending up sliding further down the slope in spite of some lovely subsection SA/some other site, not because of it. If you're putting the word jokes in quotation marks, they aren't jokes.
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Charles Leclerc posted:If you're putting the word jokes in quotation marks, they aren't jokes.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:They're not wrong. They're obviously not talking about dedicated KKK recruitment sites set up on SA, but just the general slippery slope that starts with the "it's funny to shout slurs at each other and mock people with disabilities because the internet is all fake anyway" mentality that was endemic here. Also Helldump was a pioneer of internet doxxing and a probably the worst contribution to internet culture from SA. (I wouldn't count 4chan as our direct responsibility.) BlankSystemDaemon posted:EDIT: I don't mean to downplay the importance of normalization of bad behaviour and its effects, but it has to be a relatively small effect that I feel like must in large part be outweighed in most people by the basic self-reflection techniques we're (hopefully) taught as kids, that among other things involve asking ourselves "Am I the rear end in a top hat here?" Sure, but you're describing an adult here. Kids are notably short on self-reflection, and still learning those moral lessons.
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:The person saying it might, however erroneously, feel like they're being funny, but I'm thinking the YouTube tech idiots thread might be a bad place for a discussion of quantum joke mechanics. Yeah, you're right on multiple counts lol.
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CoolCab posted:patrick from gamers nexus always looks so delightfully stoned in his segments, it's got a real chill edge to the presentation. lol that Fractal has promo material showing solid RGB led colors for all the case configurations but the actual controller itself has none of those. e. and just as I posted, there's a comment there that says you have to do another long push for solid colors.
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The culture here at the time was very low-key misogynist and homophobic - one of SA's biggest cultural signifiers was incredibly casual use of a certain hard-F homophobic slur. And there was a lot of 'let's ruin the lives of this other community/person we've found, just because they're a little different'. Like looking back on the way SA treated people who expressed themselves differently (or were into full on freaky sex stuff), the general tone of things was really reactionary, socially conservative. Just full on goon self-loathing expressed as hatred towards any kind of alternative lifestyle, which I think got taken for granted as somehow edgy or envelope pushing because it was a room full of young white men with very little real-world life experience. It's hard to underscore just how much more kind this place has become since those days, and how much better off the forum is for it. Although tbh looking at your reg date you were there too, so surely you know all this! Pilfered Pallbearers posted:an interesting post These are all good points. Maybe part of it is that I work in the UK, and maybe things are different in parts of the USA (and I bet different across states/cities/communities etc). The communities I work with seem by and large to be on the woker end of their algorithms - which can skew right as you say, but still need to do so under specific conditions that I don't think you can generalise globally. If young people are of certain demographics, in certain population centres, and consume specific media, then the algos feed them stuff from a more progressive version of reality. Which in some ways is its own problem, but at least hasn't turned the kids I've worked with into horrible neo-fascists. I'm sure it's different for kids outside of the city that I work in. Def agree with your point about how young people interact with other human beings in online communities. I think if I was a parent, the idea of my young kid playing online games/chatting on discort/whatever else with a bunch of mystery grown men would make me real nervous. Xbox Live - which shipped in a box with a microphone - came out just as I was entering adolescence. I think it's kind of crazy how much time I spent on what was essentially a phone call with drunk american frat boys.
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The Grumbles posted:Although tbh looking at your reg date you were there too, so surely you know all this! fair enough. It was the Mr. Water saga that made me want to finally buy an account after all  mr. water never fuckin posted  I wanted to hear about delivering water to Linus
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The Grumbles posted:The culture here at the time was very low-key misogynist and homophobic - one of SA's biggest cultural signifiers was incredibly casual use of a certain hard-F homophobic slur. And there was a lot of 'let's ruin the lives of this other community/person we've found, just because they're a little different'. Like looking back on the way SA treated people who expressed themselves differently (or were into full on freaky sex stuff), the general tone of things was really reactionary, socially conservative. Just full on goon self-loathing expressed as hatred towards any kind of alternative lifestyle, which I think got taken for granted as somehow edgy or envelope pushing because it was a room full of young white men with very little real-world life experience. It's hard to underscore just how much more kind this place has become since those days, and how much better off the forum is for it. Although tbh looking at your reg date you were there too, so surely you know all this! Yeah, I believe it’s a uniquely USA thing. Americans are currently significantly more accepting of white supremacy behavior, and our fun constitution makes it so we can’t make hate speech illegal, as long as it’s not specific, direct threats.
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