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Elephant Ambush posted:blithering idiots who are indescribably bad at watching TV this is probably the most hostile thing that gets repeated in the thread every week by somebody. that exact phrase 'bad at watching tv' has caught on and it sucks - yeah some people miss things that seem obvious to others, but christ imagine saying this to an actual person in real life. you'd sound like a rage nerd. plus maybe the poster was sort of half watching a scene or something and misinterpreted something. you could just correct them or ignore the post rather than jumping down their throat about how pathetic their media interpretation skills are, in comparison to you, the calibrated TV interpreter.
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roomtone posted:this is probably the most hostile thing that gets repeated in the thread every week by somebody. that exact phrase 'bad at watching tv' has caught on and it sucks - yeah some people miss things that seem obvious to others, but christ imagine saying this to an actual person in real life. you'd sound like a rage nerd. I am very good at watching TV 
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Jul 4, 2022 09:25
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roomtone posted:this is probably the most hostile thing that gets repeated in the thread every week by somebody. that exact phrase 'bad at watching tv' has caught on and it sucks - yeah some people miss things that seem obvious to others, but christ imagine saying this to an actual person in real life. you'd sound like a rage nerd. Whereas all you seem to be doing is watching a TV show that you hate. You know you have the option not to yeah?
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Jul 4, 2022 09:25
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Supes in the military has literally been the raison de etre for Vought since Soldier Boy. Maybe Frederick's motives were pure science--we have no idea if he was as committed to Nazism as his wife, presumably not since he dipped out of the Reich mid war to America. Most of what we hear about his grand Nazi ideals comes from Stormfront, probably not a reliable narrator. But I doubt he did that because he loved freedom. He was probably a (forgive the Picard reference) a Soong-type amoral Science for Science's Sake guy. When Hitler didn't give him his funding he went to the US. I imagine that they probably had experimented on dozens or more grunts before getting success with Soldier Boy; as their only Supersoldier they ended up only using him for propaganda and photo ops. The war ends, the US massively draws down military spending. With only Soldier Boy and Vought's wife being the only successful V experiments and the future of war looking nuclear, Vought loses funding. He comes up with the Hail Mary idea of Superheroes, maybe after seeing a Superman comic on a newsstand. The US military rejected the idea of putting his wife, a woman, in a uniform, so they dress her up as Liberty and run around fighting crime with Soldier Boy as proof of concept. By '52 there's enough successful adult V recipients to have an orgy, but then they decide to start experimenting on kids in the 50s and 60s, getting the first generation--Crimson Countess, Mindstorm, Noir, etc. But it will take time to raise them. At some point they find they can make money with Supes and off Soldier Boy's celebrity, building up the corporation. They still work with the military on some things with Soldier Boy, but as he's a one off, his use is limited. They probably didn't throw him in the action in Korea or 'Nam. Vought kept using what Supes they had to build up public consciousness about superpowered people and make money. When the first kids came of age in the 80s, Payback was probably another proof of concept, this time of what a team could do. But they were fuckups because Soldier Boy had to train them and he's no leader, and the were already too wrapped up in the idea of being celebrity caped personas. When Vought started mass sending out V to kids, they had so many we see the whole concept of talent competitions, low level "farm teams" and Supes in every city, with the lesser ones in lower cities. But that also meant a high rate of failures--ones with dumb powers like prehensile dicks or kids who killed their parents, making it even harder to sell to the military. Not to mention the government not wanting to give Vought control of the military. Temp V is the latest and greatest solution they have--a way to give powers to adults but the power wears off so they can't get out of control. They make billions with Supes, but they could make trillions with the US military. Astroman fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Jul 4, 2022 |
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Jul 4, 2022 09:50
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tokin opposition posted:He's obviously gay oh no it's "dean winchester, one of the main know traits of which womaniser, is gay. not bi, gay." all over again
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Jul 4, 2022 11:00
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Astroman posted:Supes in the military has literally been the raison de etre for Vought since Soldier Boy. Maybe Frederick's motives were pure science--we have no idea if he was as committed to Nazism as his wife, presumably not since he dipped out of the Reich mid war to America. Most of what we hear about his grand Nazi ideals comes from Stormfront, probably not a reliable narrator. But I doubt he did that because he loved freedom. He was probably a (forgive the Picard reference) a Soong-type amoral Science for Science's Sake guy. When Hitler didn't give him his funding he went to the US. Well he and his wife were personal friends of the Nazi elite ("Goebbels was a wonderful dancer") and Edgar outright says Vought defected because he realized the Nazis were losing, and that he made V using Holocaust victims.
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Jul 4, 2022 12:07
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Hear me out, the "Soldier Boy singing From a Logical Point of View" clip was a clue. SB is singing about how you should marry an ugly woman, right? Well, as we all know, "beauty is only skin deep, but ugly goes right to the bone"--the "ugliness" he's singing about isn't physical, it's ideological. And what, I ask you, is ideologically uglier than a Nazi? Furthermore, in keeping with the mid-20th-century patriarchy Soldier Boy represents, "wife" is synonymous with "mother," the only role available to a woman at the time. ERGO, what Soldier Boy is saying here is "make a Nazi the mother of your child," ergo Stormfront is clearly Homelander's mother. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D97gwGlMFE
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Jul 4, 2022 12:14
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Interesting how our Evil Captain America is basically just the Ultimate version. All he needs to do now is insult France.
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Jul 4, 2022 12:26
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Mameluke posted:Well he and his wife were personal friends of the Nazi elite ("Goebbels was a wonderful dancer") and Edgar outright says Vought defected because he realized the Nazis were losing, and that he made V using Holocaust victims. It would be interesting to find out which is true, and I would love to see some flashbacks that tell more of the early days. My thinking was that Vought was more of a Davros type amoral scientist than a dedicated Nazi. Like the Kaleds were literal Nazis, and the Daleks moreso with their racial superiority but Davros was even worse--he would destroy all life in the universe with a snap of his fingers just because he could. And like Davros he sold out his country and supposed ideals. I was thinking about this, and all the scenes before S1E1 are pretty much all from possibly unreliable narrators--Stam Edgar infodumping to Homelander, with an agenda. Black Noir's cartoon remembrances of things from his POV after extreme mental trauma. Stormfront confessing her origin story to Homelander. Mallory's tale where she, if not the hero (because even she probably realizes how amoral she is), was hyper competent next to the buffoonery of Payback. The Legend talking about how great and cynical he is vs how dumb and fake the Supes (especially Soldier Boy) are. It's an interesting device, because Kripke can always show a different version later and say "that wasn't quite what happened, here's the truth".
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Jul 4, 2022 12:45
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I don’t think she’s going to die, I think Stan Edgar is going to throw her to the wolves when he makes his inevitable return to power. The corporation will extract one last use from her. The writers have been pretty good about salvaging threads from the comic and making them useful. I've thought since the moment Ashley was elevated that her arc was going to conclude with the "thrown under the whole-rear end Vought bus" conclusion that happened to Jessica Bradley in the comics. Hell, she even ends up tearing her hair out in the books once she realizes it.
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Jul 4, 2022 15:32
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Every single episode I'm on edge waiting for someone to eye laser/head explode/A-train splatter Ashley.
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Jul 4, 2022 15:36
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stev posted:Every single episode I'm on edge waiting for someone to eye laser/head explode/A-train splatter Ashley. Nah. I agree with GD_Amercian. She's walking off a glass cliff.
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Jul 4, 2022 15:58
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I'm wondering where they'll be taking Ashley 2 more than Ashley tbh.
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Jul 4, 2022 16:53
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could go anywhere but i bet they'll just have ashley 1 kill her somehow. she likes to feel like a supe, and she disappears all the corpses anyway. don't think they'll do the 'she's a supe/deep state mega-genius' thing again after having just done that with newman
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Jul 4, 2022 17:00
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https://twitter.com/VoughtIntl/status/1543980703896858624 Bless Amerika.
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Jul 4, 2022 18:30
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Tankie Homelander.
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Open Source Idiom posted:I'm wondering where they'll be taking Ashley 2 more than Ashley tbh. They'll make you think Ashley 1 is gonna take the fall, someone will say "Ashley needs to pay" and we'll smash cut to Ashley two getting fired/lasered/head exploded/A train splattered.
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Jul 4, 2022 18:35
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Can someone clarify for me, since I haven't watched Season 1 or 2 since they aired: Ryan is the only natural born Supe, right? Like, we presume that other Supes have had children (I can't think any examples though), but only Ryan has developed powers without being dosed with V?
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Jul 4, 2022 19:23
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Stormfront had a natural daughter who died just before her reappearance.
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Jul 4, 2022 19:29
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her daughter wasnt a supe and stormfront herself points out that ryan is the first natural born superhero. so yes friend. to your question
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Jul 4, 2022 19:33
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Golden Bee posted:Both homelander and gunpowder try and murder Billy Butcher before finding out he has powers. Gunpowder shoots him twice in the chest. Not a lot of sympathy there. In defense of Gunpowder, there were plenty other free urinals for Butcher to go to. You just don't go use the one next to someone else, its bad etiquette. Butcher deserved the bullets.
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Jul 4, 2022 19:44
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In season 2 there was a supe in Stormfront's prison that could make people's head explode and crush things using telekinesis. Last we saw of her she was hitchhiking. I thought we were meant to assume she was the one popping all the heads and the writers seem to have dropped her story completely.
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Jul 4, 2022 19:46
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They said she will be back next season, I think. They just had so much going on with this one there was nowhere to put her.
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Jul 4, 2022 19:48
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Dalael posted:In defense of Gunpowder, there were plenty other free urinals for Butcher to go to. You just don't go use the one next to someone else, its bad etiquette. Butcher deserved the bullets. True
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Mu Zeta posted:In season 2 there was a supe in Stormfront's prison that could make people's head explode and crush things using telekinesis. Last we saw of her she was hitchhiking. I thought we were meant to assume she was the one popping all the heads and the writers seem to have dropped her story completely. That was Cindy. Her entire existence was a red herring to keep the audience from guessing that Neumann was the head popper Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:They said she will be back next season, I think. They just had so much going on with this one there was nowhere to put her. Oh really? That's cool. I figured she was gone because her job of being a red herring was over. That should be fun to see. I like Cindy
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Jul 4, 2022 20:38
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Stranger Things also did a "Here's a bunch of other people with extremely strong powers" subplot and also memory holed it
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In It For The Tank posted:Can someone clarify for me, since I haven't watched Season 1 or 2 since they aired: Ryan is the only natural born Supe, right? Like, we presume that other Supes have had children (I can't think any examples though), but only Ryan has developed powers without being dosed with V? If we assume they didn't do something to Becca or straight after the birth sure
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Jul 4, 2022 21:19
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Chamale posted:Stranger Things also did a "Here's a bunch of other people with extremely strong powers" subplot and also memory holed it It was only one other character
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Jul 4, 2022 21:24
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Elephant Ambush posted:It was only one other character I guess there's up to 10 though.
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Jul 4, 2022 21:34
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A bit late to the party on this, but I absolutely adore the cartoon animations that were used for Noir's flashbacks. It amazes me how creative these showrunners and writers get.
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Jul 4, 2022 23:16
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stev posted:I guess there's up to 10 though. There's way more than that but they all died
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tokin opposition posted:Tankie Homelander. Motherlander
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Jul 4, 2022 23:19
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It would be comedy gold if Ted Cruz or some similar dumbshit unironically retweets this.
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Jul 4, 2022 23:41
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Horizon Burning posted:How is this thread the worst one on the forums Because this is a good show, with serious flaws that wobbles between between politics and themes from 2006 or 2016 with no in between
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Jul 5, 2022 00:02
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https://twitter.com/jowrotethis/status/1543751925195083776?t=vLUAXnRKtVptKWoG_OjRrg&s=19 now that's a perfect tweet 
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Jul 5, 2022 00:26
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Chamale posted:Stranger Things also did a "Here's a bunch of other people with extremely strong powers" subplot and also memory holed it I thought it was funny that Paul Reiser showed up in both shows as 2 very different people.
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Jul 5, 2022 00:26
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runaway dog posted:I thought it was funny that Paul Reiser showed up in both shows as 2 very different people. I've seen him do stand up in the past few years and he is a very sweet and kind person.
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Jul 5, 2022 00:29
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GreenNight posted:I've seen him do stand up in the past few years and he is a very sweet and kind person. I've always had a soft spot for him cos I found him funny when I saw My Two Dads as a kid. Plus he was a good corporate stooge in Aliens.
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Jul 5, 2022 00:35
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GreenNight posted:I've seen him do stand up in the past few years and he is a very sweet and kind person. Reiser is still doing stand up? That's awesome. Was it a tight 5 or does he have a whole hour?
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Marsupial Ape posted:Reiser is still doing stand up? That's awesome. Was it a tight 5 or does he have a whole hour? Well, and maybe this is sad, but I was at an IT conference and he was the special guest. So maybe 30 of us sat with him for 2 hours and listened to stories, had a Q&A, etc. He did have jokes about his wife having to wake him up because he was flying out to Wisconsin that morning to have a set with us.
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