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Bakugo literally might turn Shigaraki’s main body into Swiss cheese. That’s a lot of firepower stored up
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It's thematically-satisfying to see Bakugo face off against Shigaraki and this bullshit rhetoric he's spewing. Not only has Bakugo seen that people can change, he's also made so much progress as a person compared to the start of the manga, where he's exactly the sort of person who benefited from the disparity Shiggy mentioned.
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Jul 3, 2022 19:29
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Bakugou's attacks being effective would directly imply that normal munitions would also be effective. It's basically an issue that a lot of superpowers stories run into - a lot of powers are objectively less effective than normal firearms/artillery if lethal force is involved. For all its (pretty long list of) faults, the web serial Worm was good about coming up with superpowers that could conceivably grant power even in a modern society with all its existing weapons. Other comics usually either ignore this entirely (MHA) or resort to making their characters into absurdly powerful demigods (Marvel/DC). Another way you can get around the issue is by limiting their use to non-lethal situations (which MHA does some), but usually escalation takes stories beyond that.
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Jul 5, 2022 09:45
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I like how modern weaponry is still effective in Hunter x Hunter. Unless you're, like, crazy strong like Uvogin, a good gun can kill or maim you even if you're protected by nen.
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Jul 5, 2022 10:34
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I kind of always had the impression that any nen user who got their nen the old-fashioned way could no-sell bullets, maybe not by standing there and taking them but by just having the physical prowess to weave through a mob of gunmen. That’s just me though.
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Jul 5, 2022 11:01
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Ytlaya posted:Bakugou's attacks being effective would directly imply that normal munitions would also be effective. This goes back to the elephant in the room of Japan's response to the League literally leveling entire cities, throwing whole portions of the country into full Mad Max anarchy breakdown, and killing thousands of people is "deploy a small, scrappy hero taskforce and call for other countries to send some heroes" and not "deploy the JSDF and shoot any league members on sight because the fight is now existential". The heroes are already at the point where they're straight up trying to kill Shigaraki so I think we're beyond the story being worried over the use of lethal force by the government. A couple of the League can plausibly not get killed immediately by modern weaponry - Super Shigaraki, AFO, Gigantomachia - but the vast majority of them would likely be shockingly vulnerable to the ultimate quirk, "Gun".
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Jul 5, 2022 14:45
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Kanos posted:This goes back to the elephant in the room of Japan's response to the League literally leveling entire cities, throwing whole portions of the country into full Mad Max anarchy breakdown, and killing thousands of people is "deploy a small, scrappy hero taskforce and call for other countries to send some heroes" and not "deploy the JSDF and shoot any league members on sight because the fight is now existential". The heroes are already at the point where they're straight up trying to kill Shigaraki so I think we're beyond the story being worried over the use of lethal force by the government. It'd be really fun if this ends with Deku just pulling out a pistol and shooting Shigaraki without even having a big final anime fight. Everyone's just left standing there wondering why they even bothered.
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Jul 5, 2022 15:24
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Kanos posted:This goes back to the elephant in the room of Japan's response to the League literally leveling entire cities, throwing whole portions of the country into full Mad Max anarchy breakdown, and killing thousands of people is "deploy a small, scrappy hero taskforce and call for other countries to send some heroes" and not "deploy the JSDF and shoot any league members on sight because the fight is now existential". The heroes are already at the point where they're straight up trying to kill Shigaraki so I think we're beyond the story being worried over the use of lethal force by the government. Where IS Snipe?
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Jul 5, 2022 16:28
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If guns can't even stop that no-good Monkey D. Luffy I don't see how we can trust them to defeat Shigaraki
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Jul 5, 2022 16:36
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Ironically guns are much more effective in One Piece than they are in Hunter x Hunter, even though the average One Piece character would be an AfO-level threat in most other series. Canary got shot in the head in HxH and just kind of got over it iirc.Nuebot posted:It'd be really fun if this ends with Deku just pulling out a pistol and shooting Shigaraki without even having a big final anime fight. Everyone's just left standing there wondering why they even bothered. "Did you really think you were the only ones who could make quirk-erasing bullets? Chisaki says hi." Nephthys fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jul 5, 2022 |
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Jul 5, 2022 18:31
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Kanos posted:This goes back to the elephant in the room of Japan's response to the League literally leveling entire cities, throwing whole portions of the country into full Mad Max anarchy breakdown, and killing thousands of people is "deploy a small, scrappy hero taskforce and call for other countries to send some heroes" and not "deploy the JSDF and shoot any league members on sight because the fight is now existential". The heroes are already at the point where they're straight up trying to kill Shigaraki so I think we're beyond the story being worried over the use of lethal force by the government. "but doctor we are the JSDF!"
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Electric Phantasm posted:"but doctor we are the JSDF!" Joking aside, this might actually be the case in MHA - we've not seen any military types at all outside of the pilots that were with Stars and Stripes, who were Americans. We've seen a lot of cops and prison guards and guard robots but no actual army folks. It's pretty silly if that's the case, but I'm not sure if "Japan doesn't think the League is enough of a threat to bring in the army" or "In MHA, Japan doesn't have a conventional army at all beyond pro heroes despite us being given evidence that a child with an old revolver is horribly dangerous to trainee heroes with good combat quirks" is a bigger worldbuilding hole. In cape comic settings, either the scale is kept low so that calling in the military simply wouldn't happen(your Vigilantes or your Spiderman stuff), or the military is shown to exist but you're given reasons why it can't simply solve the problem and the heroes are important(Justice League level stuff, Superman, the Avengers movies, etc).
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Jul 5, 2022 19:58
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The cops show up to the hideout way back at the raid with swat and guns didn't help much. Also all the robots at Tartarus had guns.
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Jul 5, 2022 20:40
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I would watch a movie about MHA's military and how it works. I've always felt that this would be a much better way to do these sorts of tie-in movies. Instead of glorified filler, do some interesting world-building with it. Or do some kind of What-If spin on the actual series like if Mirio got One for All or if Bakugo was the quirkless one. This applies to other series too. If there was a movie about Nami getting the Gomu Gomu no mi and kicking Arlongs rear end or showing Law's adventures as a newbie pirate I'd lap that poo poo up.
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Jul 5, 2022 21:17
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Fabricated posted:The cops show up to the hideout way back at the raid with swat and guns didn't help much. Also all the robots at Tartarus had guns.
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Fabricated posted:The cops show up to the hideout way back at the raid with swat and guns didn't help much. Also all the robots at Tartarus had guns. The reason I brought up Bakugou specifically is that his powers are literally just "explosives," which also exist outside of the realm of superpowers. Guns not working against people like Shigaraki makes perfect sense (though they'd work against most of the other heroes and villains we've been shown*), but if Bakugou can do damage, then so can an RPG or something. Off the top of my head, the only heroes that could deal with bullets are: - Kirishima - Shoto sorta (guess he could conceivably protect himself with walls of ice) - Brainwash guy, whose powers are absurd and could basically let him beat anyone in the series who isn't deaf or a holder of OfA/AfO - Cement Guy - Guy who makes a lot of ghost clone things - Maybe Kamui Woods, depending on whether his body can regenerate or something - Maybe Tokoyami's shadows could block them? - Mount Lady could maybe shrug off some bullets - Same with dragon lady hero - I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that maybe All Might/Deku can become durable enough with OfA, given what we've seen All Might endure Nuebot posted:It'd be really fun if this ends with Deku just pulling out a pistol and shooting Shigaraki without even having a big final anime fight. Everyone's just left standing there wondering why they even bothered. I mean, we did have actual military weapons used against him during the Stars and Stripes fight that he no-sold to show how powerful he is. In terms of power, Shigaraki probably fits into the DC/Marvel "ludicrous unkillable demigod" mold at this point.
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Jul 5, 2022 21:27
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Ytlaya posted:
You're ignoring the guy who actually got shot in the series. Repeatedly. And it didn't do poo poo. Tetsutetsu Tetsutetsu is explicitly bulletproof. We also see Deku fight guys with automatic weapons in the first movie, and he kicks their asses easily. We have on-screen proof that, on the high end, regular guns don't work. (Of course, if you want a manga where "gun" is a good enough power to take down recurring named characters, there's always Chainsaw Man.)
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Jul 5, 2022 21:43
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tetsutetsu said that it hurt like a bastard when he was shot even after steeling up
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Oxxidation posted:tetsutetsu said that it hurt like a bastard when he was shot even after steeling up Yeah but I say the same thing when I get shot with a paintball gun
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Jul 5, 2022 21:54
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Deku fought guys with machine guns in the first movie and just dodged all the bullets.
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MHA is a superhero comic and guns are basically ineffectual in superhero comics even if the protagonist's power is Gun.
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The same is true of most action anime so it's double true here. As long as you have a bit of martial arts training you can just roll/flip/zigzag through automatic fire and you'll be fine.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqHfrIfIQJs Never rely on a gun unless it fires a laser
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Obviously stories can be written such that characters can dodge bullets who shouldn't be able to given their stated powers (like Deku in this case), but it's just kinda lame. It's definitely probable that Deku could defeat people with guns, but in a "he can probably move fast enough to beat them before they can shoot him" way that is basically a roll of the dice until he inevitably gets unlucky. I still put him in the list of "heroes who can deal with guns," though. My original point wasn't even about guns specifically, though, but instead military equipment in general. The heroes actually make plenty of sense for law enforcement, since the goal is almost always to non-lethally detain and their powers are usually good for that. They just stop making sense in a conflict like the current one where "as much destructive power as possible" is beneficial (which basic military hardware is better at than all except for a few heroes).
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Ytlaya posted:Obviously stories can be written such that characters can dodge bullets who shouldn't be able to given their stated powers (like Deku in this case), but it's just kinda lame. Again this is just part of superhero genre. It is the genre where Hawkeye, the man with a bow and arrow, is considered a world-saving asset. Superheroes are always going to be better than the military.
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Jul 6, 2022 04:30
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Deku: Im glad you changed your last name you son of a bitch https://youtu.be/4cZqRzHnI8s
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Guns have actually been devastating in MHA, it’s just that they need to shoot pointy needles full of liquid to achieve this
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I get kind of tired of people rushing to smugly adjust their glasses and go "HEH *snort* just use GUN" every time cape stuff is discussed. Also Worm is loving terrible and I might rip out my own eyes the next time I see some chucklefuck kramer into a thread to shill it. Although re: does Japan have a military: am I misremembering or weren't those huge robots from the entrance exam (and at Tartarus) said to be sold to the JSDF? Rhonne posted:Deku fought guys with machine guns in the first movie and just dodged all the bullets. Was it that movie or sometime in the series where we see All Might shrug off a bunch of automatic fire like it isn't even there? I feel like I remember this. Flesnolk fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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If the sensors at Tartarus detected All For One activating a quirk, someone shows up to give him a stern talking to.
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Nessus posted:If guns can't even stop that no-good Monkey D. Luffy I don't see how we can trust them to defeat Shigaraki Hey, guns took down Whitebeard and he was actually cool.
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hatty posted:Deku: Im glad you changed your last name you son of a bitch This is how MHA ended in the timeline where Hori didn't change the mentor hero from Snipe to All Might.
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Flesnolk posted:I get kind of tired of people rushing to smugly adjust their glasses and go "HEH *snort* just use GUN" every time cape stuff is discussed. Interestingly, DBZ just straight up addresses this and nobody seems to come back to it, so maybe all shonens going to America just need a scene where it's verified that, yes, standard commercial firearms will not significantly affect Our Heroes.
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Ytlaya posted:- Brainwash guy, whose powers are absurd and could basically let him beat anyone in the series who isn't deaf or a holder of OfA/AfO Only in a pure 1v1. As a reminder, a light bump is enough to knock people out of his mind control.
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Flesnolk posted:I get kind of tired of people rushing to smugly adjust their glasses and go "HEH *snort* just use GUN" every time cape stuff is discussed. Also Worm is loving terrible and I might rip out my own eyes the next time I see some chucklefuck kramer into a thread to shill it. I think so regarding the film, but I haven't watched it in a while so I can't give a timestamp and name of film for proper citation.
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I think it's somewhat important for authors to establish why Gun wouldn't solve 90% of all problems for heroes and villains alike, and I don't really think MHA does a good job of this. In any given fight, a Dude With A Gun honestly has a good chance of being the strongest fighter in the room, especially if it's against someone like Aizawa. It's not massively important and I understand that authors would rather just skip that part and write stories about weird powers, but that doesn't mean it doesn't bother me.
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AfO is a interesting dilemma with regards to imprisonment. He's functionally immortal, and way past the life expectancy of an average quirkless person. At what point is the burden of imprisoning him too great on society to justify keeping him alive? Or not actively executing him? Especially since that "immortality" was gained through criminal means, at the direct and violent expense of other people.
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Flesnolk posted:I get kind of tired of people rushing to smugly adjust their glasses and go "HEH *snort* just use GUN" every time cape stuff is discussed. Also Worm is loving terrible and I might rip out my own eyes the next time I see some chucklefuck kramer into a thread to shill it. Worm isn't good, but its approach to superpowers is still more interesting than most other stories that involve them, though that's not exactly a high bar to clear. (Also, as bad as it is, most actual superhero comics sure as hell aren't meaningfully better)
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If MHA had never mentioned guns it wouldn't be something I'd think about, except we had a major fight in the series where Mustard pulled a lovely old revolver on two other major characters and nearly killed them with it and was treated as a huge threat despite one of them having a quirk that would theoretically be one of the best quirks we've seen against guns, implying that this world isn't just working off DBZ physics where guns do nothing to protagonists and can be safely ignored.chiasaur11 posted:You're ignoring the guy who actually got shot in the series. Repeatedly. And it didn't do poo poo. Snipe shot Shigaraki repeatedly in deliberately nonlethal areas instead of trying to shoot him in the brain or the heart because Snipe is a hero and at that point the situation wasn't remotely desperate enough for heroes to try to kill villains, and Tetsutetsu nearly died to Mustard's lovely old revolver because there was a limit to how much punishment he could take.
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Tetsutetsu only got hurt after being shot several times in the same spot at point-blank range. The real problem in that fight was the gas since he was having to stop himself from breathing it in after his mask got destroyed and it was weakening him. The impact of the shots were pushing him back but without the gas I think he could have just rushed Mustard no prob. But really it's the superhero speed that does it. Even "normal" people like Bakugo, Overhaul and Toga can keep up with or outspeed Deku when he's using Full Cowl and we've seen that he can dodge automatic fire. Shigaraki was basically flashstepping in USJ. When people can be faster than bullets even without a speed quirk its easy to imagine why they aren't used much. Nephthys fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Jul 6, 2022 |
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You can basically become a ninja in this setting with enough training, but then I'd imagine that "ninja with a gun" would also be extremely effective, so the question of "why don't dudes just use guns" remains
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