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DeimosRising posted:I was kind of disappointed in the pick, watched the summer league game and now I’m convinced Paolo and Caleb are both hall of famers and Orlando will win 3 rings and I’ll never be sad again, ever let’s fuckin gooooooo magic e: im feeling positive about this season in a way I haven’t in years lol
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Garnett and Barkley played on many nothing teams with Philly and Minnesota while being easy top 5 players. Garnett was arguably the best player in the league in 05 and the Wolves got 44 wins. And they were both really healthy during those years! The thing that separates AD from those other elites is health. Karl Malone has seventeen seasons with 80+ games played in the regular season. AD has two seasons with 70+ games played and will probably not reach even one 80+ game season. CoolRanch posted:“pay da [fans] 1 billion each they deserve it!!!!”  iamsosmrt posted:I feel like these Wolves could land anywhere from 8th to 1st and it'll come down to their coaching, culture and chemistry. If the Timberwolves end up barely making the playoffs that'll be a hilarious disappointment.
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Jul 9, 2022 21:56
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Kibner posted:Also, last session was perhaps the most competitive regular season that I could remember. There were only like five outright terrible or tanking teams. Everyone down to like the 12th seed in both conferences were fighting to get homecourt, avoid the play in game, or make the play in game. It was fantastic. Yes, it's not like the owners can invest billions of more dollars and build a new LBJ out of clay. No NBA owner can pay like a billion dollars to resurrect Wilt. No NBA owner can have Jordan's brain transplanted into a new body. This is stuff future generations will have to worry about but not in 2022. Chairchucker posted:I am looking forward to the pre season poll so I can hot take that the Minnesota Timberwolves won that trade, specifically because it will get them a ring this year. If that happens it'll probably win. Metapod posted:Draymond would have lost to wilt easily Wilt would score 100 points while Draymond had one of those 1for4 shooting games.
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Jul 9, 2022 22:02
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WhyteRyce posted:My argument is looking at the last few seasons since Monte came onboard. Again, the Spurs and Kings haven’t had a ton of separation and we’re frankly in similar situations despite them having polar opposite reputations. Both teams were mediocre and needed to blow it up. But San Antonio continues to get regarded like it’s the mid 2000s I mean, the Spurs probably would've picked Luka over Bagley so this point is moot
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Jul 9, 2022 22:05
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NieR Occomata posted:It’s just baffling to me, especially during a year when they could’ve slapped Michael on every single edition and been done with it because he’s Michael loving Jordan. Who is the theoretical person who’s like “gently caress I gotta buy 2K this year, they got Devin Booker on the cover! You know, Kendall Jenner’s ex!” Chalk it up to Devin Booker once scoring seventy points in a game. OTOH, Jordan only scored 69. NieR Occomata posted:On one hand I get it and you’re right, but on the other we as a collective nba fanbase should be holding every single owner’s feet to the fire about doing everything they can do to win at all times. The league is better when there are more teams being competitive, and right now imo the biggest issue the league has is that at least half the teams in the league right now are content being mediocre or to literally burn dollars to save pennies. The league has been the same level of competitive for a while now. The NBA standard deviation of SRS demonstrates that things have been stable since 2009: code:
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Jul 9, 2022 22:08
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Christian Braun seems like a total rear end in a top hat who will get five insanely sick dunks this season. A perfect late FRP player.
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Jul 9, 2022 22:13
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PupsOfWar posted:chet's skills are very legit, it's just impossible for me to look at him without imagining him getting accidentally obliterated by one of these 300 lb eastern european centers every team has now soggybagel posted:If Jokic gets upset this season I could see him lifting Chet over his head and breaking him like Bane did to Batman. You might be happy to know that the league is shrinking in size lately. Average weight of 215 last year (the lowest since 1999). Players must be on the Paleolithic diet. i am a moron posted:every team was garbage during that period. 2000-2005 might've been some of the worst basketball ever played in the association. just pathetic stuff Peja Stojakovic in 2004 was okay. Algund Eenboom posted:There are an avalanche of social media nobodies who have never watched a basketball game making up the most outrageously idiotic rumors and other, even dumber social media nobodies who have never watched a basketball game slurping it up like good little piggies... 
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Jul 9, 2022 22:15
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WhyteRyce posted:My argument is looking at the last few seasons since Monte came onboard. Again, the Spurs and Kings haven’t had a ton of separation and we’re frankly in similar situations despite them having polar opposite reputations. Both teams were mediocre and needed to blow it up. But San Antonio continues to get regarded like it’s the mid 2000s Between the two I actually think the kings were better at finding and developing talent, but at the cost of fit and team construction.
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Jul 9, 2022 22:19
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Zogo posted:You might be happy to know that the league is shrinking in size lately. Average weight of 215 last year (the lowest since 1999). Players must be on the Paleolithic diet.
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Jul 9, 2022 22:19
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Jul 9, 2022 22:28
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:I hated this period of Kyrie, because it was after flat earth Kyrie. Like, there's dozens of other NBA players (not to mention literally anybody else) with important contributions to the conversation, and this moron who spent the last year+ fighting the ghost of Copernicus is being signal boosted? Imagine Kyrie 500 years ago. He'd be imprisoning people for heliocentrism as some kind of sicko inquisitor. I remember the simpler times when he was hated merely for having a strange voice and having too many people on his party boat. Dejan Bimble posted:What would you like him to say? I got frozen into a star wars slab and was thawed here? Yes, I would like that. Rudy Gobert is tall enough to be a Wookiee extra in upcoming films. Crazy Ted posted:I wonder if it's more "regression toward the historical mean" because Shaq single-handedly caused teams to put useless seven-footers on their rosters for more than a decade because they were close to 300 pounds. In 2011 Shaq retired and that was the year the league hit the max. weight of 223 (stayed there until 2015).
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Jul 9, 2022 22:28
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Salvor_Hardin posted:I'm a broke brain degenerate so I've been listening to hours of podcasts in the wake of the KD declaration and the Lowe take has resonated the most with me. When they spec'd out potential trades to the Raptors and the Pelicans they kept coming back to the idea that, like, "yeah this opens up the window to a chip" and poo poo but on another level its so much more satisfying to watch Your Guys develop and grow together, even if the Net Championship Likelihood is lesser than. Winning the championship with franchise guys your team drafted and stuck with is the ultimate Sports Fan Moment.
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Jul 9, 2022 22:39
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iamsosmrt posted:Robinson was still obviously a very good player in 99, but come on. He had some great advanced stats and sublime WS, but it was clearly Duncan's team that year. To his credit, Robinson seemed to embrace becoming the best Robin he could be very quickly and humbly. Either way, outside of those two, that 99 team is pretty dire. Here is a flashback to the 1999 Finals: code:Memnaelar posted:That's a spicy meatball of a take. As has already been pointed out, Duncan did the same thing with "aging and solid talent" in his second year and dragged them to a championship. It's not strictly apples to apples, but I don't see how someone who saw prime Duncan devastate the Nets and the eye-popping numbers he put up doing so and confidently assert that KG's peak was "definitely better." Even if the margins are thin and I'm a Spurs homer, Duncan's the best PF of all time and while there's an argument to be made about KG potentially having a better peak, I shut down when someone has the guts to claim that it's objective fact. The Nets and Knicks were weak finals opponents. Put Robinson next to KG and things would be interesting in more ways than one.
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If you're only strictly speaking since Monte came, well it's a mixed bag for both teams, especially since the Spurs just committed to a rebuild. My original point was based on decades of being a standard of a strong culture for their players and finishing ahead of the Kings (who I'm fairly sure I read were at some point going for the play-in last year) with a team entirely made of mid-late 1st and 2nd round talent still says enough about their floor. Condolences for the Kings through all their dysfunction, but even now I doubt you'd find many Spurs fans feeling glum about their team's outlook or even comparing them to the Kings. And a lot of that is based on the trust they have in the Spurs org. There are other teams that I think do a good job as well, including the Warriors (who did suffer 2 bad seasons, and will eventually do so again), Celtics, Heat, Raptors and Bucks. I think the Jazz are there too, but I'm not clear on how Ainge is affecting them. There are probably some others but i don't follow the West as closely and I'm sure people can nitpick aspects of the teams I'm picking. Even winning teams can have questionable cultures that affect the players, which is where I put the Sixers who should have made at least the ECF by now but somehow keep falling short, and it's not squarely on Embiid's health.
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Zogo posted:Here is a flashback to the 1999 Finals: Duncan was amazing. I don't doubt KG Spurs would still beat those Knicks and Nets, but would they have made it to the Finals? There were some powerhouses in those years.
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Jul 9, 2022 22:59
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iamsosmrt posted:Duncan was amazing. I don't doubt KG Spurs would still beat those Knicks and Nets, but would they have made it to the Finals? There were some powerhouses in those years.
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iamsosmrt posted:Duncan was amazing. I don't doubt KG Spurs would still beat those Knicks and Nets, but would they have made it to the Finals? There were some powerhouses in those years. The Knicks and Nets were not very good but the path to the finals through the west was brutal.
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Crazy Ted posted:Yeah. After Jordan retired for the second time, for about the next decade the Western Conference and Eastern Conference were basically the Varsity and Junior Varsity leagues. Exactly. The reason people were so upset about the Kings/Lakers travesty was that everyone assumed they'd steamroll over those Nets for the title.
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iamsosmrt posted:If you're only strictly speaking since Monte came, well it's a mixed bag for both teams, especially since the Spurs just committed to a rebuild. My original point was based on decades of being a standard of a strong culture for their players and finishing ahead of the Kings (who I'm fairly sure I read were at some point going for the play-in last year) with a team entirely made of mid-late 1st and 2nd round talent still says enough about their floor. To me fan opinion on organizational excellence is the most overpuffed meaningless metric that people really can’t actually explain until positive results have already occurred. See: Heat Culture
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Dejan Bimble posted:Just trust me w hen I talk about prospects. I'm infallible. Except when it comes to North Texas Tony Mitchell What did you say about him I must have missed it
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DeimosRising posted:What did you say about him I must have missed it I was talking up his really great passing vision and multiple ways of scoring, a nd the fact that he was renowned as a defender before his duke year. My other thesis that's a joke but is also sort of real is that guys with massive round pumpkin heads tend to have high bball iqs
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https://twitter.com/JLEdwardsIII/status/1545905531709034497 *punches my entire arm through a wall up to my shoulder* Dude had 11 points and 2 assists in 5 minutes.
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Gonz posted:https://twitter.com/JLEdwardsIII/status/1545905531709034497 He looked really good. I hope this is just a standard sprain and nothing weird Isiah Livers is way too good for summer league. he might end up as our starting 4
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Zogo posted:Chalk it up to Devin Booker once scoring seventy points in a game. OTOH, Jordan only scored 69. I mean if I had the choice between scoring 70 and scoring 69 I know which one I would aim for. Just another reason why Jordan is the GOAT.
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Stevie Lee posted:i hate when people call him "Tobi" because the only popular media representations of that name are Roots, and this Read some John le Carré.
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WhyteRyce posted:To me fan opinion on organizational excellence is the most overpuffed meaningless metric that people really can’t actually explain until positive results have already occurred. See: Heat Culture Sure thing. My original point was that teams should give more of a drat about their players and invest in their well-being, not pitpicking whether the Spurs are a perfect gold standard. I generally think it's pretty logical that happier and fulfilled players are more likely to perform better as well.
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Dejan Bimble posted:He looked really good. I hope this is just a standard sprain and nothing weird Isaiah Liv3rs is indeed a cool dude who is rad. 20 points this evening on 4-5 shooting from 3 (5-8 shooting overall), 6-7 from the line, 5 boards and an assist in 20 minutes.
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Not thrilled Koloko shot 4/11, but I do like the 7 boards, 3 blks, and 3 stls
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Intruder posted:Jabusti It wasn't his fault, honestly but yeah they will Spurs are going to be bad, pacers are going to be bad, rockets, and pistons are the leaders
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Dejan Bimble posted:It wasn't his fault, honestly If the Pacers sign Ayton and trade Myles for stuff I can see them winning like…30
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Dejan Bimble posted:It wasn't his fault, honestly Jabari's shot mechanics look awful, he's gonna have to fix that. But other than that he's actually looked really good. Pulls down some tough boards and plays really good, aggressive D but gets in foul trouble so another thing to work on Seeing him block Chet, run down to the other end and drill a three was nice though
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Vox Nihili posted:Goddamn the Kings are severely cursed
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Crazy Ted posted:Severely cursed and terribly run are two different things. ¿Por que no los dos?
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:¿Por que no los dos?
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Crazy Ted posted:When I think "severely cursed" I think of a team like the 21st-Century Rockets. They had prime Tracy McGrady and prime Yao Ming only to see McGrady's back give out on him and Ming's feet turn into dust. Then they had MVP-level James Harden paired up with Chris Paul and a great chance to go the Finals, only to shoot about 2/97 from three in the deciding game of the WCF in one of the stranger playoff games in recent memory. Not to mention CP3 not being able to play that game due to injury. Wildest part about that game is even though they shot so bad they didn't get absolutely destroyed. Strawberry Panda fucked around with this message at 05:36 on Jul 10, 2022 |
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Peaking at the time when arguably the best team in history exists is pretty cursed. The Rockets were ridiculously good but not as good as the Warriors
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Intruder posted:Peaking at the time when arguably the best team in history exists is pretty cursed. The Rockets were ridiculously good but not as good as the Warriors
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