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The Jinder writup just reminded me of Jack Swagger's world title run, where he had a pretty fun character going in the leadup with a mascot at ringside and Bunkhouse Buck as his dad (probably the only time Hager showed any personality in WWE). Then he won the title and the next night had abandoned everything fun to be a monotone dude in a suit
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DeathChicken posted:The Jinder writup just reminded me of Jack Swagger's world title run, where he had a pretty fun character going in the leadup with a mascot at ringside and Bunkhouse Buck as his dad (probably the only time Hager showed any personality in WWE). Then he won the title and the next night had abandoned everything fun to be a monotone dude in a suit Swagger's run was at least shorter than Jinder's, but was also pretty awful Wrestlemania 26: Jack Swagger wins the Money in the Bank contract Smackdown After Mania: Edge beats the poo poo out of Chris Jericho after Jericho cheated to win at Wrestlemania, Swaggers runs down and pins Jericho in nine seconds April 5th Raw: John Cena cuts a promo on how Swagger is afraid of him. Randy Orton beats Jack Swagger clean in a non-title match. April 9th Smackdown: Swagger beats John Morrison in a non-title match. Jericho and Edge go to a no contest in a #1 Contender's match. April 14th Smackdown: The world title match is just a three-way! Edge had Jericho beat but Swagger stole the pin and retained. April 19th Raw: Undertaker beats Jack Swagger clean in a non-title match. April 23 Smackdown: John Morrison beats Jack Swagger clean in a non-title match. Extreme Rules 2010: Jack Swagger beats Randy Orton relatively cleanly to retain the title. He used a chair in the finish, but it was an Extreme Rules match and Randy was the one who brought in the chair April 26 Raw: Jack Swagger beats John Morrison clean in a non-title match. May 7 Smackdown: Kane beats Jack Swagger by DQ after he kept slamming Kane's face into an exposed turnbuckle May 17 Raw: Randy Orton beats Jack Swagger by DQ after Edge attacked Orton right before Orton was probably going to win this non-title match anyway. May 21 Smackdown: Kofi Kingston beat Jack Swagger in a non-title match after Big Show distracted Swagger by existing. Over the Limit 2010: Big Show beats Jack Swagger by DQ after Swagger gives up and nails him with a belt shot five minutes in. May 28 Smackdown: Big Show & Kofi beat Swagger & McIntyre after Swagger basically gives up on his jobber partner June 4 Smackdown: Jack Swagger beats MVP clean in a non-title match. June 11 Smackdown: Rey Mysterio beats Jack Swagger clean in a non-title match. June 18 Smackdown: Rey Mysterio & Big Show beat Swagger & CM Punk clean when Rey pins Swagger. After the match Kane beats the poo poo out of Swagger (and the other four world title contenders) as part of his "Who Killed the Undertaker? (I did teehee) angle Fatal 4-Way 2010: Rey Mysterio beats Jack Swagger clean after Kane came out to take out the other men After that Swagger got a couple of title rematches that he lost, and in fact did not get any televised wins for another two months, when he guest-appeared on Raw to squash Evan Bourne.
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That booking doesn't make a lick of sense. I get (but don't like) having a weasely heel champ cheat to win all the time, like Jinder, and I get (but don't like) having LOL HE'S SHORT THEREFORE MUST LOSE champ, like Rey, but that Swagger presentation is.....he's a midcarder, don't worry about him. Then why give him the belt?
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I remember Swagger switching from the Gutwrench Powerbomb to an ankle lock as a finisher around the time he won the title, which just didn't work. All it did was remind people of a better worker (Kurt Angle) and didn't at all work with the rest of his move set. Like, the reason you watched Swagger's matches at the time was so you could seem him ragdolling people, and the moment he became a heel champion that was tossed out the window. Oh, and they had him in a program with the Big Show, the only person on the roster whom he couldn't toss around, making their matches exceptionally boring. I kinda liked early Jack Swagger 
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remember when he twisted jr's ankle really bad doing the ankle lock lol
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I only ever had tickets to one pay-per-view, and I put all of my heart and soul into the best/worst sign possible. On one side it said MARC MERO FIGHTS FOR THE USERS and on the other it said THE BOSSMAN COMETH (I think he had even just debuted so it was legit). Then my friend's mother accidentally threw the tickets away when cleaning. Bossman never knew about my love
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There's a clickbaity video going around about "the top 10 most evil wrestlers" that mysteriously leaves out Chris Benoit but does include Jimmy Saville and Jimmy Snuka. Anyway, if you were going to make that video about kayfabe evil instead, who gets on the list and why? I'm also curious how it changes if you rank by only onscreen atrocities or if character lore counts.
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5. El Nazi 4. Karl Von Hess 3. Hans Schmidt 2. Frederich Von Schacht 1. the fiend.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:There's a clickbaity video going around about "the top 10 most evil wrestlers" that mysteriously leaves out Chris Benoit but does include Jimmy Saville and Jimmy Snuka. Grizzly Smith. Abused Jake Roberts and his siblings, screwing them up forever, and if DSOR is to be believed, was a total sexual predator.
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Those things really happened.
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Cavauro posted:5. El Nazi There is no disputing this.
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Vince McMahon probably wins for both in and out of character evil. Although Jake Roberts almost killing a man in the ring with a snake is up there characterwise
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Jul 10, 2022 02:45
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Bossman was a corrupt southern cop/prison guard. Kane murdered his family and Katie Vick.
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I do appreciate El Nazi put some thought into his finisher, The Swastika 
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How many of the Nazi wrestlers kayfabe participated in atrocities? Missile Assault Ant in CHIKARA kayfabe slaughtered a busload of children in Africa as a mercenary. I also don't know if she counts as a wrestler but in kayfabe Alexa Bliss's haunted doll Lily was the malign voice/spirit that provoked many serial killers through history (including explicitly Jack the Ripper, The Zodiac Killer, and Son of Sam). I'm betting someone in Lucha Underground committed genocide, or blew up a planet, or something. Brian Cage as Thanos in AAA may have killed half of the universe with the Infinity Gauntlet, or he may just be cosplaying as a guy who killed half of the universe, which puts him back in the Nazi wrestlers camp.
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Jul 10, 2022 04:13
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Los Talibanes
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The Giant smoked a cigarette inside the stadium, on camera.
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Chessman is named after Caryl Chessman and I think is kayfabe also supposed to be a serial killer
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Holocausto
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pseudodragon posted:Bossman was a corrupt southern cop/prison guard. Don't forget that he killed and cooked a dog AND he stole a corpse!
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The Truth Commission.
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Edge & Christian posted:I'm betting someone in Lucha Underground committed genocide, or blew up a planet, or something.
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sticklefifer posted:Lucha Underground straight up had a bunch of onscreen murders. Siniestro ripped out his trios partners' hearts to gain their powers, Black Lotus punched a hole through Matanza's chest, and Mil Muertes during his Shao Kahn run sat on a literal throne of skulls that were canonically harvested from dead wrestlers, including Ezekiel Jackson's character Big Ryck. Brian Cage possessed by the gauntlet punching that FBI or senator (or whatever he was) in the head that it exploded was pretty good too.
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pseudodragon posted:Bossman was a corrupt southern cop/prison guard. Can we take a moment to say how perfect a set up the original Twin Towers was? Slick was the pimp, One Man Gang was his outlaw biker muscle and Boss Man was the prison pipeline. Then Vince had to go and be super racist and poke fun at Dusty. Oh, well. Edge & Christian posted:I'm betting someone in Lucha Underground committed genocide, or blew up a planet, or something. Mil Muertes was a man of a thousand deaths, were they all his own?
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What about the time Pac broke Orange Cassidy’s sunglasses, that was pretty evil
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Sam Sheppard AKA the guy that The Fugitive is based on was a wrestler. I think he was exhonorated for killing his wife after he died but he did kill a patient by operating on them while drunk. He's also credited with inventing the Mandible Claw. That's kinda evil.
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Back for some 2002 Raw in Dallas, I made a sign that had Booker T's face with the words "A WHOLE POUND OF FOOD MEN LOVE". It was from the Hungry Man commercial at the time. Does anyone have a list of the Lucha Underground episodes that I should watch? I tried the first episode, but starting off with Chavo Guerrero vs Blue Demon Jr was a bad idea. Then I just jumped to the first Aztec Warfare for something fun.
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I'd actually recommend going through the full series, but skipping matches you don't care about and watching the telenovela style segments in between. The plot is surprisingly serialized. Though before they introduced the title belt, it was just sort of lucha Calvinball.
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sticklefifer posted:Lucha Underground straight up had a bunch of onscreen murders. Siniestro ripped out his trios partners' hearts to gain their powers, Black Lotus punched a hole through Matanza's chest, and Mil Muertes during his Shao Kahn run sat on a literal throne of skulls that were canonically harvested from dead wrestlers, including Ezekiel Jackson's character Big Ryck. Several of them are canonically one of the visiting bands too. I don't remember which. Mariachi el Bronx maybe?
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Canadian Destroyer: is it meant to destroy Canadians or is it a Destroyer that is Canadian-flavoured?
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I always took it to mean a destroyer of the Canadian variety.
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It was Petey Williams' (who is Canadian) finisher that became a genericised name. Pretty much the opposite of Homicide's Cop Killa
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Ah okay, like a German suplex then. Got it.
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I will never get the physics of how the destroyer works no matter how many times I see it. e: lol at the cop killa, it's like if the unprettier didn't suck complete rear end 
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Cop Killa is also known as the Vertebreaker, and it has a reputation for being really unsafe to take.
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Apparently it's called the Kudo Driver in Japan after the inventer (Megumi Kudo, who herself called it Kodume Valentine), but I don't remember ever actually hearing this. Is that just people on the Wiki making things up, or is there actually a Code Red/Yoshi Tonic divide by region?
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SG Bamboo posted:Apparently it's called the Kudo Driver in Japan after the inventer (Megumi Kudo, who herself called it Kodume Valentine), but I don't remember ever actually hearing this. Is that just people on the Wiki making things up, or is there actually a Code Red/Yoshi Tonic divide by region? Yes it was originally called this and is even mentioned on indie commentary before Homicide became synonymous with the move.
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Kudome Valentine is the best name for it, imo
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Should be called the the “lol no loving way am I taking that bro I like being able to feel my arms and legs”
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We call fireman carry drivers John Cena Driver around here.
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