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Reckoners is a YA friendly version of The Boys/Invincible/Umbrella Academy which are hot properties recently and will have a lot of production overlap to minimize costs.
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Skyward is my vote. I hope that one gets adapted. I think we need another decade of tech improvements and before a Stormlight book won't look like crap.
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MartingaleJack posted:Skyward is my vote. I hope that one gets adapted. I think we need another decade of tech improvements and before a Stormlight book won't look like crap. After Critical Role, I could see an animated version of Stormlight. Or they could use it as a test bed, and the first seasons effects will not be so good but they'll just keep getting better.
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Jul 18, 2022 16:01
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seaborgium posted:After Critical Role, I could see an animated version of Stormlight. I think I'd prefer something closer to Arcane's style. That would be perfect for Mistborn too
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Jul 18, 2022 16:07
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101 posted:I think I'd prefer something closer to Arcane's style. Arcane would be ideal, but it had an insane budget so that might be too much.
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Jul 18, 2022 16:51
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Sanderson has said he feels anime doesn't have the 'mass market appeal' that he wants, so unless his opinion has changed it's pretty much Live Action or nothing. Can't be bothered to dig through his many many videos to find when/where he said it, but it was probably within the last 2 years.
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Jul 18, 2022 17:04
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zerofiend posted:Arcane would be ideal, but it had an insane budget so that might be too much. Maybe I'm overestimating how much Hollywood would value it, but he's the biggest and most prolific fantasy author of the last decade, right? Sab669 posted:Sanderson has said he feels anime doesn't have the 'mass market appeal' that he wants, so unless his opinion has changed it's pretty much Live Action or nothing. Rings a bell, but it doesn't stop me from wanting it and thinking animation should be used over live action for stuff like Stormlight. No way you can make Stormlight look as good as it deserves to live action with a TV budget. Also was that before Arcane because I think that disproved him on 'mass market appeal'
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Jul 18, 2022 17:09
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Yea I feel like that gangbuster of a Kickstarter this year probably grabbed the attention of a few different studio heads  I'm sure the aficionados will tell me I'm wrong but in my book while Arcane is obviously animated, I wouldn't call it "anime".
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I feel like anime and manga are increasingly popular in the West. Crunchyroll is a solidly popular second tier streaming service, you see substantial manga sections in mainstream book stores. While anime won't have as much mainstream appeal as something like Game of Thrones, it would take an insane budget to do a GoT-style adaptation for Stormlight, given how much more magical stuff is going on. As far as western animation goes, I think ATLA's enduring popularity shows there's demand for epic fantasy adventure, and of course there's more recent, more mature animated shows like Invincible, the Witcher prequel, and Vox Machina. Sab669 posted:I'm sure the aficionados will tell me I'm wrong but in my book while Arcane is obviously animated, I wouldn't call it "anime". Cicero fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Yea I think it's dumb to go by the rule of "it's not Anime unless it's from Japan". IMO it's a style more than anything. I just don't "get" people who throw it around in a really abstract way. eg "Sanderson is extremely anime"... Like that's just incompatible in my head. One is a page with words on it, one is a style of drawing. What are the similarities between Mistborn and, say, Initial D? I'm being slightly obtuse, I get that they mean tropes from like Naruto of powering up for an entire day or whatever, but that's why it's stupid to use the term that way. Sab669 fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Jul 18, 2022 |
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Calidus posted:Skyward is much better than reckoners, and probably adapts well to TV. Counterpoint: Hollywood execs are brainless followers and will choose the "what if superheroes but evil" property to cash in on The Boys and Invincible (and MCU to a lesser extent Umbrella Academy) Sab669 posted:Yea I think it's dumb to go by the rule of "it's not Anime unless it's from Japan". IMO it's a style more than anything. I think they mean anime in a "dramatic, cartoonish descriptions of combat with descriptions of how cool or desperate or clever or skillful the combatants' movements are", where the battle also serves as a metaphor for the combatants' interactions and relative world views. To contrast, Wheel of Time combat had that to an extent (sword forms' names in particular) but battles are usually confused, chaotic messes where fog of war obscures everything except a small bubble near you, and that's filled with death so close you don't have time to think, just try to survive
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Sanderson not needing the money and not having a “The Dresden Files” tv show on his record is really interesting. I am kinda curious if he can make outrageous budget demands.
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Sab669 posted:Yea I think it's dumb to go by the rule of "it's not Anime unless it's from Japan". IMO it's a style more than anything. stormlight is a shonen anime, more or less
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I just re-read the Mistborn series, and the bit where Vin jumps a mile and decapitates a dude as she lands couldn’t possibly be more anime.
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Anime is gaining more popularity in places like NA and Europe but it still does not have near the western appeal as something live action. Hell, poo poo like Rick and Morty is more popular in the US than anime.
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Sab669 posted:I'm sure the aficionados will tell me I'm wrong but in my book while Arcane is obviously animated, I wouldn't call it "anime". I'm confused. Weren't you the first person to use the word anime in this discussion?
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101 posted:I'm confused. Weren't you the first person to use the word anime in this discussion? Yes, but more or less the same conversation of whether or not Sanderson's adaptations should be live action or not has taken place like at least 3 times ITT seaborgium suggested an "animated Stormlight", but referenced Vox Machina which I would definitely describe as anime. (edit: well, not suggested but said they could see it happening)
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Sab669 posted:
I referenced them just to show that an animated show could work, even on a property that probably isn't as big as Sanderson's and now Amazon or another production company can see that with actual numbers to back it up. Stormlight might work better animated, it might not but I only meant I could see it as a possibility that I'm sure has been brought up to Brandon at some point. DarkHorse posted:Counterpoint: Hollywood execs are brainless followers and will choose the "what if superheroes but evil" property to cash in on The Boys and Invincible (and MCU to a lesser extent Umbrella Academy) Wheel of Time was written by a Vietnam Vet though, so it being a more realistic battle makes sense.
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Eh, nm
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101 posted:Maybe I'm overestimating how much Hollywood would value it, but he's the biggest and most prolific fantasy author of the last decade, right? I 100% agree. Any adaptation of either Mistborn or Stormblood is not going to get anywhere near the budget required to not look terrible. They could maybe do Wax and Wayne stuff ok.
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I think the biggest problem with doing live action of most of Sanderson is that his world's are colorful, for the most part, and bright, and the cgi effects would need to be in virtually every scene. Mistborn might be doable if they use the ash fall or mists in the majority of outdoor scenes to occlude what would look bad or be prohibitively expensive.
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Mistborn should be a TV adaptation ala Game of Thrones or Wheel of Time. Wax & Wayne should be a film series. Mistborn Secret History should be an anime.
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Mordiceius posted:Mistborn should be a TV adaptation ala Game of Thrones or Wheel of Time. Yup it'd work best as a miniseries, in my opinion. Only problem I foresee is that people seem to be burnt out with GoT/WoT/LoTR type shows and throwing another to the pile may mean it gets looked over.
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Wheel of Time is just too big to turn into an 8 episode season. Even with all that they cut out of Eye Of The World, that simply just isn't enough time to make non-readers give a gently caress about any of the main characters while also moving the plot forward. No idea what to think about the new LOTR show. I'll give it a watch when it comes out though. The Witcher I definitely just didn't care by the time Season 2 came out. The gap year between seasons didn't do it any favors, but I think even if S2 came out in 2020 I probably still wouldn't have finished it. I just don't find Geralt an interesting character, and the way they S1 skips around made it hard to follow IMO even as someone who at least is familiar with the plot beats from the video games. I can't think of any other big-budget fantasy series, so I don't think the genre specifically is too saturated, but I think peoples time for entertainment in general might be. Like I'm just not looking to make the time for hour long episodes in my life. But either way, Amazon has said the reception to WOT was huge/beyond their expectations, and that's a series where the last book came out in 2013, whereas anything Sanderson is obviously still actively being published so he's much more in people's minds. Mistborn is much tighter in scope than WOT and could be adapted much more easily. And even Stormlight, as huge as it is / will be, Sanderson said he's actively aware of the "too many characters" problem WOT had. Plus being 2 pentalogies would also probably do it favors to being adapted to the screen, unlike WOT where it probably would've been even more than 14 books if Jordan didn't kick the bucket. Sab669 fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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Mordiceius posted:Rick and Morty is ... anime. I kid. I see what the mean and agree....with reservations. Screen adaptations are going to be challenging as hell for live action, daaaaang.
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This was the thing I was thinking all the way through reading Mistborn: the plot and characters and fight scenes would be loving fantastic for a TV adaptation, but the setting, with constant ash everywhere, and the pervasive black/grey/red pallette would be depressing as hell, but they wouldn't be able to tone that down without losing a fundamental aspect of what the entire story was about.
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I was thinking that the foreshadowing about Vin's earring's significance would be hard to do without it being crazy obvious on screen/as a visual medium.
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Sab669 posted:I was thinking that the foreshadowing about Vin's earring's significance would be hard to do without it being crazy obvious on screen/as a visual medium. Seems pretty easy to do in that you could have it included early on as a sentimental discussion with Kelsier or something, mentioned quickly but not so labored that it rouses suspicion. Sanderson is very, very good at laying out hints so that, in theory, you could figure everything out on your own, or at the least so you don't feel cheated by some convenient deus ex machina plotpoint. I could see this all translated super well to screen without giving away future reveals.
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Yeah, so long as they avoid panning from a hemalurgic spike to her ear, sticking to that twist the way Sanderson did would work. It worked not because Sanderson put those two ideas REAAAAAAALLLLYY far apart (hell he even talks about the bloody scene with Vin's mom over and over just after getting into hemalurgy), it's that the reader/viewer never thought of an earring as basically a metal spike or a medical device.
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I think mistborn could do alright as a show, to contrast the dreary there's all the balls and stuff. My bet would be on the reckoners first though, it's the weakest series, so a good first pass to learn from mistakes, and being ya there's just less going on, so easier for audiences to consume. As someone who can't get enough of hour long fantasy shows, shadow and bone is fun. I haven't read it, but it's a good ride. Edit: Oathbringer foreshadowing: I love that Sadeas jokes about a rock slide not being able to kill Dalinar at the start of Oathbringer. Brutor Fartknocker fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Jul 19, 2022 |
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If it's Mistborn on some kind of contract, I expect the genders of the crew to swap in several places. Sanderson himself has more or less said he would do that if he could go back. So who's it gonna be? I vote Breeze.
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MartingaleJack posted:If it's Mistborn on some kind of contract, I expect the genders of the crew to swap in several places. Sanderson himself has more or less said he would do that if he could go back. So who's it gonna be? I vote Breeze. Breeze would be last crew member I would change. Change all rest imo. Ham is easy choice, having a women be your muscle just highlights the magic system. Clubs and Dickson would work too. Spook’s internal book 3 issues probably hit different if he is girl.
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MartingaleJack posted:If it's Mistborn on some kind of contract, I expect the genders of the crew to swap in several places. Sanderson himself has more or less said he would do that if he could go back. So who's it gonna be? Calidus posted:Ham is easy choice, having a women be your muscle just highlights the magic system. It'd be Ham. Sanderson has repeatedly expressed his regrets that he was so focused on doing a Strong Female Character that he forgot about just having more female characters, and Ham is always the example he brings up. I hope there would be MORE than just Ham though.
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Strong doesn't have to mean physically strong.
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Ham is probably the most stable and sensible out of all of them too.
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Go all the way with it, female Kelsier.
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socialsecurity posted:Go all the way with it, female Kelsier.  I don't love the idea of Lady Ham solely because "what if big muscle man had boobs" feels like a tired and lazy attempt at pandering from Hollywood  but I'm a dude so what do I know; if the ladies want more of that then go for it
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Sab669 posted:
Luisa from Encanto is big muscle man with boobs, and has proven to be incredibly popular. It's a thing, although like most such things the demographic that's most into it skews younger. For a more recent and live-action example, go check out the reactions to swole Natalie Portman from Thor: Love and Thunder.
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I'd say the 4 gender locked characters are Vin (obviously), Elend (I don't think Brandon is ready for a gay romance for the couple in one of his two main series), Kelsier (due to showing up in Stormlight as well as Mistborn) and Sazed (for the plot twist). Everybody else is fair game, including some of the villains. Why not make Elend's mother one of the big bads of book 2? Female Marsh? Female OroSeur? There are a lot of unnecessarily male characters.
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