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evilpicard posted:Never, ever accept or solicit a counter-offer. The latter person would do the same thing though, it just depends on what they figure they can get away with. There aren't any employers paying people the value of their labour in a capitalist system because that wouldn't be profitable by definition.
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evilpicard posted:Never, ever accept or solicit a counter-offer. I'm not saying you should accept it, just make it look like you didn't want to jump ship but couldn't turn down the opportunity. If things all go to hell and you need to go crawling back for some reason it's better to have them thinking you didn;t really want to leave.
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Jul 18, 2022 20:37
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i have an 18 year old unskilled intern for more than your raise, in a rural low cost of living area and he cant even show up on time. in short: Cyrano4747 posted:Keep looking anyway.
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Jul 18, 2022 20:39
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My work keeps sending me emails, "we have changed your hourly rate. Log in to our website to see the changes" Which sends me into an immediate panic fight/flight episode each time. I'm a 1099 contractor with zero job security, working a job I ABSOLUTELY LOVE. Have I been fired? Have I done a good job and am getting a raise? Have I been demoted or just lost pay rate? Is this a prelude to me losing all my hours and just being "let go"? As far as I can tell, the changes are <$0.10/hr each time. Up or down I don't know. The changes are rare enough that I forget what it was each time, just "about 21.50ish". Edit: 21.39 today. Next time I get an email I'll know
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Jul 18, 2022 20:42
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Evilreaver posted:My work keeps sending me emails, "we have changed your hourly rate. Log in to our website to see the changes" It's a phishing test and you are failing every time.
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Jul 18, 2022 20:50
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Zero One posted:It's a phishing test and you are failing every time. I ain't clicking poo poo, I go through my bookmark
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Jul 18, 2022 20:51
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RC Cola posted:You can easily make $20 an hour with your skill set lol. TehRedWheelbarrow posted:i have an 18 year old unskilled intern for more than your raise, in a rural low cost of living area and he cant even show up on time. All this. You're being taken advantage of unless the company you're working at has full medical/retirement benefits. In shorter shorts: Cyrano4747 posted:Keep looking anyway.
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Jul 18, 2022 21:02
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Outrail posted:Don't forget to do the 'I've been offered $x, before I sign the contract and give my two weeks do you want to make a counter offer?' In my bullshit never-going-to-happen power fantasy, I just tell my current job that I've received 'a higher offer'. I wouldn't tell them what the offer is since that also tells them the minimum they'd have to increase your pay to match it. Just ask them for an increase based on their value of your work and let them sweat out how much they want to beat this mystery higher offer 
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Jul 18, 2022 21:20
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Takes No Damage posted:In my bullshit never-going-to-happen power fantasy, I just tell my current job that I've received 'a higher offer'. I wouldn't tell them what the offer is since that also tells them the minimum they'd have to increase your pay to match it. Just ask them for an increase based on their value of your work and let them sweat out how much they want to beat this mystery higher offer Auctioning off employment to the highest bidder would be an interesting evolution for the job market
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Its not something you should do frequently, but I highly recommend quitting on the spot at least once. It is a magnificent feeling to be like "hey doucheboss,can we talk?" in the middle of a rush, forcing him into his office and then calmly telling him to eat your entire rear end. gently caress retail and people who manage retail stores forever.
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Jul 18, 2022 22:06
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Its not something you should do frequently, but I highly recommend quitting on the spot at least once. It is a magnificent feeling to be like "hey doucheboss,can we talk?" in the middle of a rush, forcing him into his office and then calmly telling him to eat your entire rear end. I agree. my last job I had 17 years. Presidents son takes over and starts micromanaging and temper-tantruming through out the office the straw that broke the camels back was when my wife was in the middle of a high-risk pregnancy and dipshit jr tells me "you know you dont have to be that attentive to your wife, you arent a doctor" (when scheduling me to be out of town on the week my wife was scheduled to give birth. ) walked back to my office and wrote my effective immediately resignation 
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Jul 18, 2022 22:12
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Never take a counter offer to stay at your current job. At best you're at an employer who needed proof you were ready to leave to give you a raise and you'll need the same again in the future. At worst they will start trying to replace you ASAP and fire you once they feel ready. Basically you need a really good reason to even consider taking one, but if you have that really good reason, I wouldn't take the risk of loving up your employment otherwise. Fast Edit: Feel free to let them make you an offer though if you want them to sweat. A Festivus Miracle posted:Its not something you should do frequently, but I highly recommend quitting on the spot at least once. It is a magnificent feeling to be like "hey doucheboss,can we talk?" in the middle of a rush, forcing him into his office and then calmly telling him to eat your entire rear end. I kinda sorta got this on my last job. Something really lovely happened a few days before I quit. Management's response to it was even loving worse and the day they made their response happened to be the day I got the all clear on my background check from my new job. So I quit the very next morning.
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Jul 18, 2022 22:24
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wilderthanmild posted:Never take a counter offer to stay at your current job. At best you're at an employer who needed proof you were ready to leave to give you a raise and you'll need the same again in the future. At worst they will start trying to replace you ASAP and fire you once they feel ready. Agreed, keep moving forwards never look back don't let an employer treat you like poo poo even once. They will just continue to treat you like poo poo because you'll get branded 'not part of the family and we're all family here right? That's how we get away with paying under market rates' because you dared interview somewhere else. I've gone through a whole bunch of lovely employers (e.g. pay freeze after I delivered 3 years worth of project worth millions. asked me to tell the rest of my team they weren't getting a payrise because I had negotiated one for myself. promoted clueless family over me. list goes on) and I always end up with ~10% more working for a new employer. My new place is ace, I've had two pay rises this year (5%, then another 20%) and my boss just told me he's put in for another one for me for November because I'm making him look good and getting poo poo done.
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It's really impressive that companies don't realize paying people more when they do good is, in fact, good, and a great way to keep turnover low
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Pro: I can probably give everyone a 20% cost of living paybump Con: I need to find the money first 
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Johnny Truant posted:It's really impressive that companies don't realize paying people more when they do good is, in fact, good, and a great way to keep turnover low It's really poo poo that staying in one place so often gets you like 2% a year max when jumping companies can get you easy 15-20% Or when they lowball you on an internal transfer of all things
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Evilreaver posted:I ain't clicking poo poo, I go through my bookmark why did you bookmark a phising link?
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A Festivus Miracle posted:Its not something you should do frequently, but I highly recommend quitting on the spot at least once. It is a magnificent feeling to be like "hey doucheboss,can we talk?" in the middle of a rush, forcing him into his office and then calmly telling him to eat your entire rear end. My last job was at a large bank as a retail branch banker. I hated it. It was all about pushing people to sign up for credit cards and new accounts they didn't need. Managers were all assholes too (one accidentally texted me instead of another employee saying bad stuff about me. I reported it and no one cared). I had already accepted another job and was planning on giving notice that day when the district manager called me and said I was on my last chance and I had better shape up (aka sell more credit cards and stop complaining). He asked me to explain exactly what I was going to do to improve. I thought for a second about saying something but decided I was just done with his poo poo and didn't care anymore. I put him on hold, mass emailed my resignation, got him back on the line and told him I quit. Since I was going to a "competitor" they just had me go home and had to scramble to cover me because it was a tiny branch of like 4 people. Eleven years later I'm still at that new company which (despite some flaws) is a million times better.
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Johnny Truant posted:It's really impressive that companies don't realize paying people more when they do good is, in fact, good, and a great way to keep turnover low Turnover being low is a thing that looks good in the future though, when someone else might be in charge and getting the credit for it. Payroll being low is something that looks good NOW, when the person making the decision will get credit for it.
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Any job that requires you to sell credit cards can suck dicks in hell.
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Yeah medium and big companies see turnover as part of the cost of doing business so they don't care They know that there's always someone out there desperate enough to fill any position no matter how lovely it is because they need a paycheck
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I just started my new job and discovered that I negotiated myself into having as many vacation days as someone who has been there for 5 years by telling them I had other offers. 
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Before the great resignation we had the great recession rebound where everybody was like "drat millennials have no job loyalty, always changing jobs every 2 years for a raise." Before that we had the dotcom boom where everybody was like "drat gen x have no job loyalty, always changing jobs every 2 years for a raise." Perhaps there is something wrong with the raise system. No, it is the people who are wrong.
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zedprime posted:Before the great resignation we had the great recession rebound where everybody was like "drat millennials have no job loyalty, always changing jobs every 2 years for a raise." Before that we had the dotcom boom where everybody was like "drat gen x have no job loyalty, always changing jobs every 2 years for a raise." I've been with my current company 16 years. At one point several years ago, they tried to stealth shift our entire job over to India so they could get rid of us all. The manager told us that "this isn't like the old days where you work for a company your entire life, you're lucky to get 5 or 6 years out of a place." This same guy used to scream and yell whenever anyone quit. I was so happy when we were bought by a bigger company and he was one of the first to go.
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When I surprise resigned at my last job, I realized later that my doing so would be the straw that hosed my manager's turnover metrics. 
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I started a mass exodus at my last job when I left. Basically everyone I knew was gone within 2 months of me leaving.
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Pyrtanis posted:When I surprise resigned at my last job, I realized later that my doing so would be the straw that hosed my manager's turnover metrics. Goose Island turned over 80% of its brewing staff in one year, and I never saw management panic even when the lifer who'd been there for 21 years left for another brewery. Until another brewer and I gave our notice on the same day.  Rarely have I felt so vindicated as when I saw the CEO shoo the brewmaster, the head of HR, and five other people into a conference room.
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I have had a few quick promotions during these mass quittings because many above me quit, which really improves my resume and my paycheck, so cheers to all around!
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i left in the middle of my last company’s exodus and it felt good as they impotently asked to match my offer. now i make almost double what i used to and don’t hate my job.
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Had a loving leak in the sight tube's top gasket during carbonation and kegging. Tried to resituate things and it started spraying beer. Fortunately, I was able to stop this by closing some valves. Only had a loss of less than 81 liters (average production loss with just kegging is generally 100-150 liters) so that was good. Went to do the hot water rinse and water started spraying out the top of the sight tube near the gasket. Tried disconnecting and resituating things, ran the rinse again and water started spraying out sideways from a crack in the tube. gently caress. At least our equipment supplier is good about repairs and replacements and are located in Osaka.
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I like to pretend Noise is actually a surgeon and his work posts avoid violating hippa by replacing the details with brewery terminology.
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Outrail posted:I like to pretend Noise is actually a surgeon and his work posts avoid violating hippa by replacing the details with brewery terminology. Thank you for wildly overestimating my intelligence.
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Most of the people I worked with at the drug plant who were in the compounding department ended up leaving that job to work at a brewery, since there are 8 million in Albuquerque. Same exact kind of work except you're not wearing PAPRs and full bunnies deconning tanks that had cat 5 cytoxic mutagens that they use to kill tumors in them and stuff. It all ended up, universally, though, "this poo poo is run just as dumb as that plant, but half as stressful."
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MrQwerty posted:Most of the people I worked with at the drug plant who were in the compounding department ended up leaving that job to work at a brewery, since there are 8 million in Albuquerque. Same exact kind of work except you're not wearing PAPRs and full bunnies deconning tanks that had cat 5 cytoxic mutagens that they use to kill tumors in them and stuff. It all ended up, universally, though, "this poo poo is run just as dumb as that plant, but half as stressful."  for people leaving food plants, except replace mutagens with body horror
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Escape From Noise posted:Thank you for wildly overestimating my intelligence. Based on the goings on in that last post... 
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Outrail posted:Based on the goings on in that last post... I can only dream of loving up on that level.
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MrQwerty posted:Most of the people I worked with at the drug plant who were in the compounding department ended up leaving that job to work at a brewery, since there are 8 million in Albuquerque. Same exact kind of work except you're not wearing PAPRs and full bunnies deconning tanks that had cat 5 cytoxic mutagens that they use to kill tumors in them and stuff. It all ended up, universally, though, "this poo poo is run just as dumb as that plant, but half as stressful." Yeah, but pay's not gonna be great.
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Escape From Noise posted:Yeah, but pay's not gonna be great. there's a high-value drug manufacturing plant in Albuquerque because they underpay compared to industry standard because NM and underbid people on the poo poo nobody wants to touch needless to say, pay's about the same
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MrQwerty posted:there's a high-value drug manufacturing plant in Albuquerque because they underpay compared to industry standard because NM and underbid people on the poo poo nobody wants to touch Fair enough. I haven't lived in NM since around 2006.
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cynic posted:Agreed, keep moving forwards never look back don't let an employer treat you like poo poo even once. They will just continue to treat you like poo poo because you'll get branded 'not part of the family and we're all family here right? That's how we get away with paying under market rates' because you dared interview somewhere else. Oh for sure when I was younger and dumber I started a new MegaCorp job and the signs the boss was gonna be an abusive jackass were there day one, should have left immediately.
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