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Something that tends to get overlooked when people downgrade Wilt/Russell for their level of competition is how perversely modern their games were. If you just looked at a picture of Wilt and his stat line you'd expect him to play like a young Shaq but his game was actually much more similar to Kevin Garnett, if Kevin Garnett was 7'2 and built like Karl Malone. Russell's whole deal on offense was that he was brilliant at facilitating incredibly quick possessions. They both played at a speed and with a skillset that would translate incredibly well to the current game.
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Aug 1, 2022 01:04
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Criminal Minded posted:Something that tends to get overlooked when people downgrade Wilt/Russell for their level of competition is how perversely modern their games were. If you just looked at a picture of Wilt and his stat line you'd expect him to play like a young Shaq but his game was actually much more similar to Kevin Garnett, if Kevin Garnett was 7'2 and built like Karl Malone. Russell's whole deal on offense was that he was brilliant at facilitating incredibly quick possessions. They both played at a speed and with a skillset that would translate incredibly well to the current game. On defense he played way more like a modern defensive player too. There's a half of him vs wilt on YouTube and they both had like 5-6 blocks a piece in the first half and the announcers barely commented on it (before blocks were recorded).
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Aug 1, 2022 01:13
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I bet Russell woulda been similar to Moses Malone or at worst, Mutombo. So utterly forceful at the things he excels at that his shortcomings are irrelevant.
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Aug 1, 2022 01:28
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I bet Russell woulda been similar to Moses Malone or at worst, Mutombo. So utterly forceful at the things he excels at that his shortcomings are irrelevant. Draymond?
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Aug 1, 2022 01:29
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kingcobweb posted:Lmao at Shams tweeting the news two minutes after the official Bill Russell account instead of pressing the convenient RT button Bismack Billabongo posted:Danny ainge almost tweeted the news out. Algund Eenboom posted:11-time NBA champion and five-time Most Valuable Player, Bill Russell, passed away today at the age of 88. He is survived by his booking agency, AthleteSpeakers.com. Lmfao goddamn RIP to a true legend in so many more ways than just basketball.
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Aug 1, 2022 01:56
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A great player and a better person. No he wasn’t as good as Wilt and his offensive limitations probably keep him out of the top ten all time, but clearly he was the most impactful defender of all time. Plus rings Ernuh.
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predicto posted:A great player and a better person. No he wasn’t as good as Wilt and his offensive limitations probably keep him out of the top ten all time, but clearly he was the most impactful defender of all time. Plus rings Ernuh. he was better than wilt in every way which matters
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Aug 1, 2022 02:21
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Lockback posted:There's a half of him vs wilt on YouTube and they both had like 5-6 blocks a piece in the first half and the announcers barely commented on it (before blocks were recorded).
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Aug 1, 2022 02:35
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Criminal Minded posted:Something that tends to get overlooked when people downgrade Wilt/Russell for their level of competition is how perversely modern their games were. If you just looked at a picture of Wilt and his stat line you'd expect him to play like a young Shaq but his game was actually much more similar to Kevin Garnett, if Kevin Garnett was 7'2 and built like Karl Malone. Russell's whole deal on offense was that he was brilliant at facilitating incredibly quick possessions. They both played at a speed and with a skillset that would translate incredibly well to the current game. Watch Wilt's post-up game here. If that analyst is correct, 60% of his FGs coming from post-up fadeaways is a pretty loving  stat.
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Aug 1, 2022 03:51
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bank bank bank. he's timmy. he's kobe. he's javale mcgee. he is all of these men and more in one this is a pretty awesome Remember some Guys video in great quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yugzCLNsjHs Brolander fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Aug 1, 2022 |
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Aug 1, 2022 04:11
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russell had a more well-rounded game on offense than people remember (check those assist numbers in a much harsher statistical environment with worse shooters)
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anakha posted:Watch Wilt's post-up game here.
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Lady Radia posted:he was better than wilt in every way which matters I didn’t know Bill Simmons was a goon
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Declan MacManus posted:russell had a more well-rounded game on offense than people remember (check those assist numbers in a much harsher statistical environment with worse shooters) Very Good passer for a big guy, but he scored 15 ppg on 44 percent shooting despite being right around the basket and being far more athletic during his time than anyone other than Young Wilt (before Wilt wrecked his knees). Bill basically shot around league average for his career. Meanwhile, Wilt scored 30 ppg on 54 percent shooting. Wilt also got more assists than Bill, more rebounds, etc. This clearly is not the right time for me to say anything negative about the man. He was a real one and a winner and a civil rights legend. But I don’t think that saying that overall he wasn’t quite as good as Wilt or a very small group of maybe ten or so other legendary players in the history of the game is really that controversial of a take
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Aug 1, 2022 09:09
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That clip of Russell jumping over a dude in transition is unbelievable.
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Always remember to remind people that they still played 82 game seasons. You know, in case they're some of those dumbasses that talk about doughy rec league players. Well you know what? Fine. But Bill and Wilt also played against other peak athletes, such as, you know, each other. And they did it much more frequently because there weren't nearly as many teams. Imagine having to play Lebron double digit times in a season.
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Aug 1, 2022 14:42
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https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1554119544213409793?s=20&t=Rb2vPex-YyypSlOH9Dk7lA shocked
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Aug 1, 2022 16:12
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morestuff posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1554119544213409793?s=20&t=Rb2vPex-YyypSlOH9Dk7lA Lol Cuban/the Mavs claimed they were not going to report this. I guess the league decided it was too blatant to ignore.
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morestuff posted:https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1554119544213409793?s=20&t=Rb2vPex-YyypSlOH9Dk7lA Good. Even better when the investigation finds nothing. But I want someone to be inconvenienced.
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Aug 1, 2022 16:30
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The gently caress you gonna do to us Silver, we already waste all our assets
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Aug 1, 2022 16:31
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Aug 1, 2022 16:33
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I feel like the bar of "don't release the exact terms of the contract before FA starts and then have the player sign those exact terms" is pretty easy to clear and if teams can't be bothered to do even that, take away a 2nd rounder or something.
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Aug 1, 2022 16:35
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Bill Russell loving OWNED. I think I always assumed he was overrated or whatever because of how annoying Bill Simmons and his ilk are about him, but nope. Absolute legend.
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Aug 1, 2022 16:37
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Lockback posted:I feel like the bar of "don't release the exact terms of the contract before FA starts and then have the player sign those exact terms" is pretty easy to clear and if teams can't be bothered to do even that, take away a 2nd rounder or something. The rule either needs more teeth or it shouldn’t be there at all. Free agency should start the day after the Finals ends.
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Aug 1, 2022 16:52
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Declan MacManus posted:russell had a more well-rounded game on offense than people remember (check those assist numbers in a much harsher statistical environment with worse shooters) yeah, it's just bizarre that he managed to shoot in the low 40s despite being stronger, faster, and longer than almost everyone on the court.
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Are we talking about russell westbrook orrr
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Doltos posted:Are we talking about russell westbrook orrr Whats there to talk about
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DeimosRising posted:yeah, it's just bizarre that he managed to shoot in the low 40s despite being stronger, faster, and longer than almost everyone on the court. too committed to CHAMPIONSHIPS and TEAM PLAY and DEFENSE and WINNING to learn how to put a lil more touch on those layups you gotta remember the mikan drill was cutting edge at that point
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Yes the game is probably three x better than it used to be. But he can’t time travel. Legend in his time and That’s good enough
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Dejan Bimble posted:Yes the game is probably three x better than it used to be. But he can’t time travel. Legend in his time and That’s good enough The conversation I've had with my friends is that the all-timers would've been great in any era, but the floor of talent to get into the NBA is so much higher than it used to be due to international talent and better development at home. The best are still the best, but today's benchwarmers would be top tier talent in the past.
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Declan MacManus posted:too committed to CHAMPIONSHIPS and TEAM PLAY and DEFENSE and WINNING to learn how to put a lil more touch on those layups but it was league average shooting even at the time, is the weird part. i'm not comparing him to modern guys in that way, it's just weird that he wasn't one of the better scorers of the era, even
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Maybe he just didn't have the best hands for shooting, for all his obvious skills on defense. Maybe more plays went through him than should have, because he was the star. I'm not gonna claim they were the same player by any means, but what would Ben Wallace's stat line look like if you tossed him back through time and he was clearly his team's star player with his obvious talents?
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Aug 1, 2022 17:56
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I regret to report that as punishment for tampering, James Dolan is being forced to sell the Knicks. He will also be forced to compose the new NBA 2K title song, and will only be payed studio musician rates.
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https://twitter.com/Jpdabrams/status/1554103095109484550?s=20&t=Rb2vPex-YyypSlOH9Dk7lAquote:“When Red and I had started to discuss my becoming coach, there were some things we didn’t have to say,” Russell wrote in his book about his friendship with Auerbach in 2009. “For example, when I was finally named publicly, I didn’t know that I had just become the first African-American coach in the history of major league sports.”
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morestuff posted:“When I took the job, one reporter wrote seven articles focusing on why I shouldn’t be coaching the Celtics,” Russell wrote.
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https://twitter.com/YourManDevine/status/1554175817474871297?s=20&t=Rb2vPex-YyypSlOH9Dk7lAquote:When Players Only started last fall, it was billed as a unique NFT project, co-founded by Michael Carter-Williams,
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I don't watch as much basketball as I ever mean to, and I'm parachuting into the thread, but I would like to say this about Bill Russell's passing: the game is a lot better to me with a GOAT so far up Mount Olympus that nobody can ever dream of touching him. He dominated an era in a way we're unlikely to ever see again, while not even being the strongest player at the time, and breaking off-court barriers so those who came after wouldn't need to. It just doesn't matter so much to me whether Kareem or MJ would cook him; in my head, they'd hit their averages and lose the series, just like Wilt.
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duodenum posted:Draymond? He said the shortcomings would be irrelevant
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Ohtori Akio posted:I don't watch as much basketball as I ever mean to, and I'm parachuting into the thread, but I would like to say this about Bill Russell's passing: the game is a lot better to me with a GOAT so far up Mount Olympus that nobody can ever dream of touching him. He dominated an era in a way we're unlikely to ever see again, while not even being the strongest player at the time, and breaking off-court barriers so those who came after wouldn't need to. It just doesn't matter so much to me whether Kareem or MJ would cook him; in my head, they'd hit their averages and lose the series, just like Wilt. Reg date of July 2022, this might actually be bill simmons
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