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Randalor posted:How do you have a stealth section in a game about naval combat? I mean, even "Hoist the enemy nation's flag" would still have the issue of... your boat doesn't look like their boats. I've been watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes lately, so I could buy that if done right, naval combat stealth could be rad as poo poo. Secretly flanking enemies or sending a small squad to wreck supply lines could have potential in the right game. TooMuchAbstraction is probably not making that game, mind you.
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Yeah, if you're going to do stealth naval combat, submarines are the obvious answer. You can give enemy ships fairly clear rules for how they detect you (based on the noise you make while inside their sonar range), the basic attack method for subs is similar to a stealth takedown (fire torpedoes, then try to fade into the shadows), and subs have basically zero defense if they are detected. And there's plenty of submarine games out there that basically hew to this concept! The problem, as usual, is that if you try to retrofit stealth mechanics onto a game that wasn't designed with stealth in mind, it never works well. If I'm lucky enough to be able to do a submarine DLC for Waves of Steel, it'll be more like one of those old Flash games where you play a shark that has to jump out of the water to eat swimmers, boats, helicopters, etc.
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Aug 15, 2022 18:51
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Dewgy posted:While I respect your creative vision, I do have an important thing to note: Giant deck-mounted gun with a small silencer at the end. Enormous shockwave every time it fires, with a little psew
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Aug 15, 2022 18:52
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I kept having people try to convince me to add a stealth section to my game about arcade naval combat. This is my response:  On top of everything else about how much this rules, "byobattleship" is an amazing username. Top marks all around. Hel posted:Either Assassins Creed 3 or Black Flag had a ship stealth section, IIRC you basically followed an enemy ship through a swamp and stopped at predetermined hiding spots to not be detected, was not a good idea. However, a little thing that I do enjoy about Black Flag is that it's great for short bursts of pickup gaming during lunch, commutes, etc. Definitely worth the $20 on the Switch store. It probably helps that I didn't play it before now though.
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Aug 15, 2022 18:59
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In Black Flag I enjoy that the protagonist spends about 75% of the game trying not to learn anything about the main plot (except about the thing that everyone's after) because it has nothing do with being a pirate and getting rich.
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Aug 15, 2022 19:02
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Morpheus posted:Giant deck-mounted gun with a small silencer at the end. Enormous shockwave every time it fires, with a little psew Comedy option: dynamite gun cruiser, like the USS Vesuvius. What is a dynamite gun, you ask? A huge air-powered dynamite barrel launcher. A gigantic potato gun with explosive projectile. No gunpowder, no flash, no roar.
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Aug 15, 2022 19:50
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madeintaipei posted:Comedy option: dynamite gun cruiser, like the USS Vesuvius. if this is added to the game it would also mean the addition of a good THOOMP sound so it's got my vote 
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Aug 15, 2022 21:00
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Let's also have a non-stealth submarine game. Instead of using dishonorable sneak-attacks with torpedoes you surface in front of the target, raise the flag, and open up with your 12" batteries.
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Aug 16, 2022 00:33
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The Lone Badger posted:Let's also have a non-stealth submarine game. Instead of using dishonorable sneak-attacks with torpedoes you surface in front of the target, raise the flag, and open up with your 12" batteries. Gotta watch Blue Noah again.
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FreshFeesh posted:The Let’s Game it Out guy has a whole YouTube series about messing with the cooking simulator games and what the physics engine will let you get away with Thank you very much for mentioning him, I'm loving his videos.
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Aug 16, 2022 00:58
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The Lone Badger posted:Let's also have a non-stealth submarine game. Instead of using dishonorable sneak-attacks with torpedoes you surface in front of the target, raise the flag, and open up with your 12" batteries. Can I interest you in a Submarine Cruiser?
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Aug 16, 2022 01:05
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biosterous posted:if this is added to the game it would also mean the addition of a good THOOMP sound so it's got my vote I went and checked the SFX site I have a subscription to for potato gun sounds, but all I could find was foley involving actual potatoes 
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Aug 16, 2022 01:09
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There was a gag on Black Sails where pirates are trying to bring back a captured Spanish warship into a British port without getting sunk by harbor defense. One of the crew suggests striking the flag as they approach and the captain replies to the effect of "I would be less worried about them noticing the flag and more worried about them noticing gigantic red crosses on the front of the sails." That's how I imagine naval stealth. Stick some Groucho glasses on the Nimitz, nobody will recognize it.
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Aug 16, 2022 02:56
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Velocity Raptor posted:There was a similar troll added to Buckle Up and Drive. On the maps, among the various billboards you see while driving, occasionally the billboard will have a LGBT+ pride flag. Expecting this wouldn't sit well with some people, the dev added a "Pride Flag Billboard Toggle" option to the settings. Except, switching it doesn't remove the pride flags. It makes EVERY billboard have a pride flag. Only thing I would have changed would be to make the pride flags and toggle not appear until at least two hours of gameplay have passed.
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Aug 16, 2022 03:29
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Agents are GO! posted:Only thing I would have changed would be to make the pride flags and toggle not appear until at least two hours of gameplay have passed.  That's good
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Aug 16, 2022 03:33
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christmas boots posted:In Black Flag I enjoy that the protagonist spends about 75% of the game trying not to learn anything about the main plot (except about the thing that everyone's after) because it has nothing do with being a pirate and getting rich. It was overpowered but Black Flag also had a set of armor that you could earn that would automatically "parry" gunshots killing the person who shot at you. It was very fun
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Aug 16, 2022 04:06
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Nameless Pete posted:Stick some Groucho glasses on the Nimitz, nobody will recognize it. Can't lock onto the enemy ship sir, the targeting computer doesn't recognize it!
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Aug 16, 2022 05:51
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Dewgy posted:While I respect your creative vision, I do have an important thing to note: If you are gonna add silencers you gotta add loudeners too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WKM9GDuX0Y
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Aug 16, 2022 07:07
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I kept having people try to convince me to add a stealth section to my game about arcade naval combat. This is my response: Nameless Pete posted:There was a gag on Black Sails where pirates are trying to bring back a captured Spanish warship into a British port without getting sunk by harbor defense. One of the crew suggests striking the flag as they approach and the captain replies to the effect of "I would be less worried about them noticing the flag and more worried about them noticing gigantic red crosses on the front of the sails." That's how I imagine naval stealth. Stick some Groucho glasses on the Nimitz, nobody will recognize it.  . Groucho glasses on the sails and bow of the ship.Your base Stealth stat is 0, the more you put on there the more Stealth xx% bonus you get.
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Aug 16, 2022 07:33
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Stuff like Q-ships and disguising warships as civilian vessels or other classes had absolutely been a thing. That said, in a game those would play nothing like a stealth section and at best be context dependent setups.
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Randalor posted:How do you have a stealth section in a game about naval combat? 
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Weird thing to emptyquote but alright
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christmas boots posted:In Black Flag I enjoy that the protagonist spends about 75% of the game trying not to learn anything about the main plot (except about the thing that everyone's after) because it has nothing do with being a pirate and getting rich. On a similar note, I have no clue what the actual storyline of Skyrim is, because whenever I start a game I immediately gently caress off into the woods as soon as I get the first shout.
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Aug 16, 2022 14:11
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Der-Wreck posted:Weird thing to emptyquote but alright It's a stealth ship, Google dazzle camo
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sebmojo posted:It's a stealth ship, Google dazzle camo I did but Google image search just returns a bunch of photos of open ocean.
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Randalor posted:I did but Google image search just returns a bunch of photos of open ocean. Look behind u  that ship has been there for days, awaiting it's chance
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heh, nice joke, but this is pyf, where factual accuracy is more important - dazzle camo only works in motion
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I never understood why they didn't just make the ships out of mirrors in the first place.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I went and checked the SFX site I have a subscription to for potato gun sounds, but all I could find was foley involving actual potatoes https://www.soundsnap.com/mechanism_grenadelauncheroomphtonal_001_wav
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Croccers posted:Stealth section solved Ahh, I see! And then you have to pass a series of checkpoints manned by enemy ships, and if they detect you they arrest you and you go to ship jail. Aha, excellent! Thank you! Zero_Grade posted:On a similar note, I have no clue what the actual storyline of Skyrim is, because whenever I start a game I immediately gently caress off into the woods as soon as I get the first shout. I only played Skyrim once, but this was my experience. I had a pretty fun time just wandering around and doing whatever, and then as soon as I decided "you know, I'd like to have access to the full-power physics shout" and started trying to do the main question, my interest in the game dropped off a cliff.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Ahh, I see! And then you have to pass a series of checkpoints manned by enemy ships, and if they detect you they arrest you and you go to ship jail. What about a stealth mission where you put fog machines on the sides of your ship, so you look like a fog bank, and you can add blue or green torches to your ship so the enemies think you're a ~spoooooooooky~ ghost ship. I guess what I'm saying is make an option mission where it's less a stealth mission and more an episode of Scooby-Doo where you play dress up as the ghost of the week.
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Randalor posted:I guess what I'm saying is make an option mission where it's less a stealth mission and more an episode of Scooby-Doo where you play dress up as the ghost of the week. Cause if not what have they even been doing
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:heh, nice joke, but this is pyf, where factual accuracy is more important - dazzle camo only works in motion Never stop scrolling
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My Lovely Horse posted:Has there been a Hitman level set in a haunted house? there's a target in one mission you can lure out by making it appear that the ghost of his mom is haunting his mansion, so 47 is the haunter i guess
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Ahh, I see! And then you have to pass a series of checkpoints manned by enemy ships, and if they detect you they arrest you and you go to ship jail. I do like the idea of your ship going to jail though. You can't waterboard a ship, so would you like... dirt bury them then?
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Ahh, I see! And then you have to pass a series of checkpoints manned by enemy ships, and if they detect you they arrest you and you go to ship jail. Well some of the checkpoints require ship stealth, some of them involve boxing the other ships, some of them involve fooling the other ships into thinking that you're selling some fine leather jackets.
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Croccers posted:0 times xx% is still 0 You said 'the more Stealth xx% bonus you get' which doesnt have to mean multiplication 
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Croccers posted:0 times xx% is still 0 Wedge them sideways in the Suez Canal and make them think about what they've done. This of course raises the aggro of all the other ships
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Joey Freshwater posted:Wedge them sideways in the Suez Canal and make them think about what they've done. This of course raises the aggro of all the other ships I have a mission set at the southern exit of the Suez Canal that's completely littered with derelict cargo ships. (And then there's enemy ships hiding amongst the wreckage, and an airstrip built on the back of one of the ships) I didn't think that the meme value of actually wedging a ship in the canal would hold up long-term, but that's my little nod to the event.
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