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A jargogle posted:A: "I will do good, with the only skillset I have: can't make an omelette without... *checks notes* torturing a chicken for a few hundred thousand years with MAGICAL NIGHTMARE BEES until it somehow starts making GBS threads out eggs already frappe'd and cooked?????? aight soungs straightforward, let's get to it.
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Something else that's interesting to consider is that A's influence isn't just contained to the facility, even if his body/mind is. As Wonderlab shows, there are numerous branches elsewhere containing abnormalities that don't have the luxury of 'eternal time looping' or 'memory suppression, all of which follow HQ's protocols on the matter. They'll be 'saved' by the Seed of Light in A's perfect world assuming his plan goes...well, according to plan, of course - But that's another layer of suffering necessary for A's plan to take into account - One that doesn't have the convenient mitigating factors re: memory/time loop/rebirth that the prime facility itself has.
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TheMaskedReader posted:Something else that's interesting to consider is that A's influence isn't just contained to the facility, even if his body/mind is. As Wonderlab shows, there are numerous branches elsewhere containing abnormalities that don't have the luxury of 'eternal time looping' or 'memory suppression, all of which follow HQ's protocols on the matter. They'll be 'saved' by the Seed of Light in A's perfect world assuming his plan goes...well, according to plan, of course - But that's another layer of suffering necessary for A's plan to take into account - One that doesn't have the convenient mitigating factors re: memory/time loop/rebirth that the prime facility itself has. On the other hand, the people in those branch offices can only get murdered horribly once, which is probably a blessing all told.
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Tenebrais posted:On the other hand, the people in those branch offices can only get murdered horribly once, which is probably a blessing all told. Who's to say though that Hokma didn't have the records for all the employees, not just the ones from the game. Especially since if I remember right, only the facility the game is set in has the Records department.
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Aug 19, 2022 00:19
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Tenebrais posted:On the other hand, the people in those branch offices can only get murdered horribly once, which is probably a blessing all told. I'm sure that there are a few abnormalities shipped out there that can wind up killing people twice or possibly more, especially with all the Abberations. We know that Alephs are held in those facilities (Nothing Is and Titania), so all their shenanigans are probably valid fears, among other repeat deaths/fates worse then death possible to earn via Abnormality or simply normal City living.
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Aug 19, 2022 00:21
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Yveltal posted:Who's to say though that Hokma didn't have the records for all the employees, not just the ones from the game. Especially since if I remember right, only the facility the game is set in has the Records department. given the employee records were there to enable resetting, and the branch offices didn't get resets (otherwise, I don't think Wonderlab would have hit 4th Trumpet the way it did), I think only the main office employees were subject to live-die-live-die-ad-infinitum.
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NullBlack posted:given the employee records were there to enable resetting, and the branch offices didn't get resets (otherwise, I don't think Wonderlab would have hit 4th Trumpet the way it did), I think only the main office employees were subject to live-die-live-die-ad-infinitum. Yeah, I think I remember someone mentioning that only the main HQ has Records or Extraction.
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Aug 19, 2022 05:05
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It might be mentioned in LobCorp itself, but it's definitely mentioned in WonderLab.
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Yeah, the branches can have any combination of departments except for Records, Extraction and Architecture. Of course, every branch has at least the Control team, and probably the Research Team and Discipline Team.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Yeah, the branches can have any combination of departments except for Records, Extraction and Architecture. Of course, every branch has at least the Control team, and probably the Research Team and Discipline Team. I'd be shocked if the standard combo also didn't include a Safety or Welfare, because for as much as Lob Corp doesn't give a poo poo if their employees die to produce energy, it'd probably hurt productivity if there wasn't some kind of infirmary and/or morgue to handle people whose deaths are no longer profitable, or the aftermath of said 'death to produce energy'.
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Going back to WonderLab again, the branch where it takes place doesn't have a Welfare department. Or Central.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Going back to WonderLab again, the branch where it takes place doesn't have a Welfare department. Or Central. That's probably because the branch is a lot smaller than HQ. Central isn't needed for an office that is of a reasonable size, and without such a massive inventory and so many different potential points of failure Welfare is also less necessary.
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Similarities between Angela and Rei from Evangelion: -Blue hair in bob cut -Nonhuman -Clone/copy of dead lady who is very important to assholish scientist -Screws over creator ("I'm not your doll" scene) -Starts out (seemingly) emotionless but becomes more emotional over time
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Junpei posted:Similarities between Angela and Rei from Evangelion: Works with a red haired female associate with anger issues…. Don’t they also both have somewhat unnaturally pale skin?
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Hwurmp posted:-both schoolgirls Anime Ruina Academy... could do some incredible shitposts set in such a place.
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Quackles posted:Anime Ruina Academy... Starring Omni and Chinely, I hope
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I finally caught up, and juuuuust before we get to the bit I've played through to! On the A discourse: to A, the ends justified the means. Any and all suffering of the Sefirot and the staff pale in comparison to saving the world. Angela is a machine, and doesn't matter. Ayin will, by hook or by crook, enact Carmen's plan and change the world. And in doing so, allow others to rest in peace and he will die as a sacrifice in order to achieve absolution for his sins. Of course, it's an intensely flawed plan with giant gaping holes. But it's the plan of a true believer. Of someone who would wipe their own memory countless times in order to make sure it happens, of someone who's willing to torture all their friends to bring it about. Because the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, and because the world needs saving. Ayin didn't do it to torture Angela or because he's some mustache twirling villain. He was a fanatic, and they rarely think about the wider consequences of their actions.
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I mean it's quite obvious that the original Lobcorp was a cult, super charismatic leader and all lol
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Hattie Masters posted:Ayin didn't do it to torture Angela or because he's some mustache twirling villain. He was a fanatic, and they rarely think about the wider consequences of their actions. See, here's the thing: Ayin had a blind spot to Angela. He wasn't even capable of thinking she was a person, or at least he did his very best not to think about that, to put it so far back that he wasn't conscious of it. He convinced himself, brainwashed himself, into believing Angela was a machine, though I feel there was always a part of him that knew it was wrong. If he acknowledged Angela was a person, able to be hurt, he would have to face the fact of how much he had sinned by attempting to resurrect Carmen and what his failure had wrought. This is the reason the plan failed: he blinded himself.
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Xun posted:I mean it's quite obvious that the original Lobcorp was a cult, super charismatic leader and all lol I had to stretch things a bit, but this is what I think about Carmen:  Feel free to argue whether I put everyone in their right places, this was done in a short time with only a bit of wikipedia skimming and some of them were just spares I had to throw somewhere.
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Will This Thread Ever Stop Producing Amazing Fanart? Local Scientists Unsure.
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I think it's more than a little insulting to refer to LobCorp as a cult. Carmen simply had an beautiful goal and had the charisma for people to rally behind her. She wasn't a perfect person and things went very wrong but it seems more than a little mean to demean all that.
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KobunFan posted:I think it's more than a little insulting to refer to LobCorp as a cult. Carmen simply had an beautiful goal and had the charisma for people to rally behind her. She wasn't a perfect person and things went very wrong but it seems more than a little mean to demean all that. It's not so much demeaning her goals as showing the result of her methods -- go back and see how Christopher talks about Ayin before being sent to get eaten by what is ostensibly Nothing There in one of Geburah's LobCorp cutscenes. The people there were religious fanatics dedicated to her charisma and her stated ideals at the cost of their own lives. Whether or not Carmen and Ayin originally wanted to start a cult, that's definitely what happened.
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KobunFan posted:I think it's more than a little insulting to refer to LobCorp as a cult. Carmen simply had an beautiful goal and had the charisma for people to rally behind her. She wasn't a perfect person and things went very wrong but it seems more than a little mean to demean all that. Considering the poo poo that they were getting up to even before it become a wing, lobocorp was definitely a cult.
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I'm not sure I would call Lob Corp a cult. Pre Lob Corp in the outskirts totally but Ayin kind of turned that cult into a normal soul crushing corporation as part of his plan and becoming a wing. Though I guess Hokma being around still makes it a cult given his attitude towards Ayin. So never mind then lol
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KobunFan posted:I think it's more than a little insulting to refer to LobCorp as a cult. Carmen simply had an beautiful goal and had the charisma for people to rally behind her. She wasn't a perfect person and things went very wrong but it seems more than a little mean to demean all that. So she was a good girl who had done nothing wrong in her life?
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It doesn't seem like it was an intentional cult, but a definite cult of personality definitely did arise around Carmen. The Sephirot who supported her all treated her as transcendent, and A was fanatically devoted to her. For whatever it's worth, she believed in what they were doing herself, otherwise she wouldn't have sacrificed herself to become the bucket.
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Keldulas posted:It doesn't seem like it was an intentional cult, but a definite cult of personality definitely did arise around Carmen. The Sephirot who supported her all treated her as transcendent, and A was fanatically devoted to her. I thought she committed suicide and then A made her into the bucket.
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KobunFan posted:I think it's more than a little insulting to refer to LobCorp as a cult. Carmen simply had an beautiful goal and had the charisma for people to rally behind her. She wasn't a perfect person and things went very wrong but it seems more than a little mean to demean all that. Yeah when people start talking about how society is sick and oh hey they just happen to be the only one who sees whats wrong and has the cure that'll fix what ails yah and then gathers a group of fanatically devoted followers who literally kill themselves and others to follow you and your goals....thats like textbook cult man  Even Roland calls it out at the very beginning
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KobunFan posted:I think it's more than a little insulting to refer to LobCorp as a cult. yeah insulting to cults maybe
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You could argue that the legal status as a Wing made them politicians instead of cultists, if you really want them to not be a cult.
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Xun posted:Yeah when people start talking about how society is sick and oh hey they just happen to be the only one who sees whats wrong and has the cure that'll fix what ails yah and then gathers a group of fanatically devoted followers who literally kill themselves and others to follow you and your goals....thats like textbook cult man And seeing how the City is, you are going to say how that isn't sick? With entire districts that are devoted to torturing people while they turn them into food? Humanity did have a sickness. They didn't make that up. And they were trying to cure it. Yes, maybe it was similar in some ways to a cult of personality but the people at the top weren't profiting from this. That's what makes the difference. They were suffering just as much as everyone else. KobunFan fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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KobunFan posted:Yes, maybe it was similar in some ways to a cult of personality but the people at the top weren't profiting from this. That's what makes the difference. They were suffering just as much as everyone else. Speaking of, what do we know about the Head?
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Quackles posted:Speaking of, what do we know about the Head? That they'll murder your entire family if you cheat on your taxes.
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They'll murder you if you break arbitrary rules (like recording video or audio in District 14). They'll commit genocide to keep the current social order (all machines must be subordinate). They'll do whatever they need to to keep things exactly the way they are.
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KobunFan posted:And seeing how the City is, you are going to say how that isn't sick? With entire districts that are devoted to torturing people while they turn them into food? Humanity did have a sickness. They didn't make that up. And they were trying to cure it. I suggest you look up the definition of a cult They are literally a cultquote:A cult is a group or movement held together by a shared commitment to a charismatic leader or ideology. It has a belief system that has the answers to all of life's questions and offers a special solution to be gained only by following the leader's rules.
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Xun posted:I suggest you look up the definition of a cult You know what? Never mind, this conversation isn't going anywhere. Instead, I'm going to say that Angela looks really cute when she smiles. KobunFan fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Aug 23, 2022 |
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KobunFan posted:They'll murder you if you break arbitrary rules (like recording video or audio in District 14). They'll commit genocide to keep the current social order (all machines must be subordinate). They'll do whatever they need to to keep things exactly the way they are.
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