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bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Ugh, I flew for the first time since the beginning of 2020 and the craziness that ensued just trying to get home yesterday is going to ensure I'm not going to fly again if I can help it for a very long time. It's amazing that airlines think that they can cancel a flight when you are already at the airport and rebook you on one TWO DAYS from then and think that's acceptable. I was able at least to fly halfway around the country on a rube goldberg like list of connecting flights to finally get home 6 hours after I was supposed to, just BARELY making my last connection, but the rest of my family wasn't so lucky and ended up renting a car and driving 14 hours home since they kinda needed to get the kids to school on Monday.

The last time I flew was March of 2020, got home right before the poo poo hit the fan. The stark contrast of that to now is unmistakable seeing it back to back. There were delays and such sure, and extreme events could cause travel chaos, but the number of flights that are just outright cancelled on a daily basis on short notice with no other option just wasn't happening.

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Mao Zedong Thot
Oct 16, 2008


Platystemon posted:

What’s the worst plane that the Nazis built ordered slaves to build?

The P.13a burning coal

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003



TSA got jokes

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Arson Daily posted:



TSA got jokes

Well poo poo, there goes my best name candidate for a Vulcan-themed buttsex website. :sigh:

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

bull3964 posted:

Ugh, I flew for the first time since the beginning of 2020 and the craziness that ensued just trying to get home yesterday is going to ensure I'm not going to fly again if I can help it for a very long time. It's amazing that airlines think that they can cancel a flight when you are already at the airport and rebook you on one TWO DAYS from then and think that's acceptable. I was able at least to fly halfway around the country on a rube goldberg like list of connecting flights to finally get home 6 hours after I was supposed to, just BARELY making my last connection, but the rest of my family wasn't so lucky and ended up renting a car and driving 14 hours home since they kinda needed to get the kids to school on Monday.

The last time I flew was March of 2020, got home right before the poo poo hit the fan. The stark contrast of that to now is unmistakable seeing it back to back. There were delays and such sure, and extreme events could cause travel chaos, but the number of flights that are just outright cancelled on a daily basis on short notice with no other option just wasn't happening.

We went to visit family a week ago and chose to drive the 14 hours instead specifically because of a fear of this happening. If it was just me and my wife it wouldn't be the worst. But with two kids... Yeah we ain't got time for that poo poo.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

bull3964 posted:

Ugh, I flew for the first time since the beginning of 2020 and the craziness that ensued just trying to get home yesterday is going to ensure I'm not going to fly again if I can help it for a very long time. It's amazing that airlines think that they can cancel a flight when you are already at the airport and rebook you on one TWO DAYS from then and think that's acceptable. I was able at least to fly halfway around the country on a rube goldberg like list of connecting flights to finally get home 6 hours after I was supposed to, just BARELY making my last connection, but the rest of my family wasn't so lucky and ended up renting a car and driving 14 hours home since they kinda needed to get the kids to school on Monday.

The last time I flew was March of 2020, got home right before the poo poo hit the fan. The stark contrast of that to now is unmistakable seeing it back to back. There were delays and such sure, and extreme events could cause travel chaos, but the number of flights that are just outright cancelled on a daily basis on short notice with no other option just wasn't happening.

Which airline(s)?

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
Sacré bleu!

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1564042414783864837?s=21&t=bHzifagwikBTRob46pQb3Q

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008


quote:

Two Air France pilots were suspended after physically fighting in the cockpit on a Geneva-Paris flight in June, an Air France official said Sunday. The flight continued and landed safely, and the dispute didn’t affect the rest of the flight, the official said, stressing the airline’s commitment to safety.

Switzerland’s La Tribune reported that the pilot and co-pilot had a dispute shortly after takeoff, and grabbed each other by their collars after one apparently hit the other. Cabin crew intervened and one crew member spent the flight in the cockpit with the pilots, the report said.

We must know what the fight was about.

Full Collapse
Dec 4, 2002

This is the most French thing I’ve seen.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

OTOH the report focused this incident:

quote:

It focused on a fuel leak on an Air France flight from Brazzaville in the Republic of Congo to Paris in December 2020, when pilots rerouted the plane but didn’t cut power to the engine or land as soon as possible, as leak procedure requires. The plane landed safely in Chad, but the BEA report warned that the engine could have caught fire.

Which feels more Italian.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


hobbesmaster posted:

Which airline(s)?



Southwest.

I was flying from Orlando to Pittsburgh as was my sister and her family.

We got to the airport and went through security and I checked my bag and on the way to the terminal I got a notification that my flight was rebooked for Monday at 7:30am and my sister just got a text that the flight was cancelled (guessing they didn't have room on the flight they booked me on for 4 people?)

We went to the counter to see what our options were. The one that was presented to me was fly from Orlando to Albany, then Albany to Midway (stay on the same plane), then make a connection in Midway back to Pittsburgh. Flight time 8hr 15 minutes. But that was pretty much the only option and I got the last seat on the flight to Albany. My bag was going to be put on the later evening direct flight that was already fully booked, so it would arrive before me.

They were booking my sister's family through Houston with a plane change on the way to Midway but we would be on the final flight together. However, her's left later and had 40 minutes less to transfer to the final flight than I did as scheduled. Still doable, but closer.

Then the inevitable happened. Afternoon thunderstorm in Orlando that had a complete ground stop for about an hour. My flight took off an hour and a half after it was supposed to and I only had 1hr 20min originally for the connection flight so I was losing hope, but still knew it could be possible depending on how things went in Albany.

I checked flight statuses while I was in the air and I noticed that my sister's flight to Houston was no longer listed as a route option to get to Midway because it would arrive too late in Houston to get the connection. When I landed in Albany I got a text from my sister that they were renting a car at that point and driving straight through. An odd thing happened to my electronic boarding pass while we were traveling and it now said that I wasn't changing planes anymore in Chicago. This gave me hope, I couldn't miss the connection flight if I was already on the plane. I asked the flight crew about it after everyone got off at Albany and they were like "Nope, this plane is going to Kansas after this, that's wrong." The good news though is that we were landing in the adjacent gate of my outbound flight so even if the timing was tight, I should be able to get there.

Things actually went quick in Albany and they turned the plane around in like under 20 minutes and we were off again. By this point it had us arriving 5 minutes before they started the boarding process. I was feeling pretty good at this point, adjacent gate, get there before it starts boarding. Then we landed and I could hear the flight crew go "Well, we're not going to our original gate" so I checked and we moved like 12 gates down, still not a disaster and dooable. We get to our gate and stop "Uhh, there's still a plane at our gate and it's expected to push back in 10 to 15 minutes." At this point my heart about stopped. We were RIGHT THERE, but 10-15 minutes pushed it into the "possible, but very narrow margin." Finally we start moving again, but we keep moving and I check again, now we're headed to A concourse instead of B. Heart sank a bit again. I would have to sprint to make it there 10 minutes before departure time when they close the doors. Dooable probably, but way too close for comfort.

We get to the gate and surprise! No one is there to move the ramp over. So another 5 minutes passes and I can finally see some movement outside of the window (my layover in Albany allowed me to get front seats so I could get off the plane the fastest.) I was also not the only one trying to catch last flights of the day and the flight attendant actually opened the cabin door before the ramp was over to yell at the guy to hurry up because he had a dozen passengers that needed to catch flights.

By that point, I had 7 minutes to get to the gate before the door closing was scheduled. Nothing on the app indicated any delay so I sprinted as much as I could. I finally got there and they hadn't even started boarding yet. I could have leisurely strolled from one gate to the other and been fine.

It wasn't just the extra travel time. That bit was annoying but manageable. I didn't relish quadrupling my travel time and there were things I wanted to do that night after I got home, but that was minor. The stressful thing was the roller coaster of "WTF, Monday? Oh, we have a solution and I'm still getting home today. gently caress, thunderstorm, this doesn't seem likely. Hmm we left in just enough time that it's feasible the buffer could get to be ok. Oh look, now it's saying I don't even have to change planes, can't miss a plane I'm already on, I'm safe. Wait that's wrong and I do need to change planes, ok time is a factor again. Wow, great turnaround and our arrival time looks good, I can relax a bit, I'm going to make it. gently caress gate problems. gently caress no ramp people. There's no loving way I'm making it. Oh ffs, they haven't even started boarding yet, I'm actually getting home tonight."

My sister and her family finally arrived at the airport to swap the rental with their car almost exactly 12 hours after I landed. I'm sure today in their house was fine with two sleep deprived adults and two sleep deprived teenagers that are going back to school tomorrow.

FBS
Apr 27, 2015

The real fun of living wisely is that you get to be smug about it.

Time to spare? Go by air!

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

FBS posted:

Time to spare? Go by air!

Interstate air travel? At least I didn't have to poo poo in the woods!

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
I'm honestly shocked that no one at FedEx or UPS has gotten the bright idea to give people the option to ship their luggage to their destination beforehand and keep it at the airport until such a time when it can be brought to the terminal and parceled out to you at the ticketed baggage claim.

It shouldn't cost as much because you aren't asking for involved "last mile" service - the truck's just making runs from their airport depot to the baggage dropoff.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

One quick thing about the gates thing: so long as your carrier has connections (read isn’t a scam ULCC, hi Ryanair), during irregular ops the airline (gate agents/dispatch) know exactly where you are. and if they have violated their minimum connection time. If they are dispatching on time you’ve missed the flight and it doesn’t matter. If for whatever reason they’re already late or everything is hosed up they may be holding the flight for a few minutes so they don’t have to reschedule more people and gently caress up more future seats. Just walk briskly to the gate, a panic attack and sprint likely won’t actually help.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
All the same, try to "just say no" whenever feasible/possible to any connections less than 60-90 minutes in duration. =/

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Ehhh when I was borderline platinum medallion I wouldn’t think twice about a sub 60 minute domestic connection with inbound domestic mainline at ATL.

For international you really, really need as much time as possible.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


hobbesmaster posted:

One quick thing about the gates thing: so long as your carrier has connections (read isn’t a scam ULCC, hi Ryanair), during irregular ops the airline (gate agents/dispatch) know exactly where you are. and if they have violated their minimum connection time. If they are dispatching on time you’ve missed the flight and it doesn’t matter. If for whatever reason they’re already late or everything is hosed up they may be holding the flight for a few minutes so they don’t have to reschedule more people and gently caress up more future seats. Just walk briskly to the gate, a panic attack and sprint likely won’t actually help.

Yeah, the flight crew said that would likely happen which also gave me hope, but the problem (at least with me) is that there's no hard and fast rule expressed about how long they will wait and there's no communication from the airline expressing that or giving updates. I would have felt a lot better if I would have gotten a text or push notification from Southwest assuring me that they knew where I was and that the plane wouldn't leave without me since they knew I was on the ground waiting to deplane. From my perspective, according to the app, boarding was happening on schedule which meant I wasn't going to be able to relax until I knew I could get through those doors.

I mean, the alternative was spending the night in Chicago airport and hoping that there was room on one of the flights today. To have that be a capstone of the day after being SO CLOSE would have been horrible.

As it was, I got very lucky. I happened to be on a shuttle to the airport a half hour earlier than I was supposed to due to another scheduling mess up. Had that not happened, the day would have gone differently. My baggage wouldn't have been checked before my flight was cancelled so I would have had to make alternate arrangements before I even went through security which might have meant it wouldn't had made it on that later direct flight and I may have missed that final seat to Albany and been just as stuck as my sister.

At that point, I probably would have gone down a darker path. It looked like there were still tickets on a later direct flight on....SPIRIT. All joking aside, that was my backup plan if there was going to be no hope from my flight before it left orlando. That was also a viable option for me since it would have been only like $200, but it would have been nearly a grand for all 4 of my sister's family and that was just a bit too much.

I didn't have any trouble finding my bag at the counter when I got there, it was actually sitting right by the door. I just popped in, gave them my name, and pointed at my bag and she said it was lucky it wasn't buried in the pile. My tired brain at that point said "my flight from Orlando was cancelled". She gave me the most Janice from Ghostbusters look possible, gestured broadly around her, and said "I know." Yup, sorry, of course you do, carry on.

bull3964 fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Aug 29, 2022

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



BIG HEADLINE posted:

I'm honestly shocked that no one at FedEx or UPS has gotten the bright idea to give people the option to ship their luggage to their destination beforehand and keep it at the airport until such a time when it can be brought to the terminal and parceled out to you at the ticketed baggage claim.

It shouldn't cost as much because you aren't asking for involved "last mile" service - the truck's just making runs from their airport depot to the baggage dropoff.

On the other hand, they then have to deal with airline passengers and lmao at that.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




hobbesmaster posted:

One quick thing about the gates thing: so long as your carrier has connections (read isn’t a scam ULCC, hi Ryanair), during irregular ops the airline (gate agents/dispatch) know exactly where you are. and if they have violated their minimum connection time. If they are dispatching on time you’ve missed the flight and it doesn’t matter. If for whatever reason they’re already late or everything is hosed up they may be holding the flight for a few minutes so they don’t have to reschedule more people and gently caress up more future seats. Just walk briskly to the gate, a panic attack and sprint likely won’t actually help.

Or Air Canada just cancels the whole flight, books you on another one and emails you that because you’re going to miss your connection you now have a 24 hour layover in Edmonton.


This is when having a travel agent comes in handy (also I was travelling for work)

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


A thing from work:

We use jet turbines to compress the gas and cool it


New Mustard video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByvPIyIbZE

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I'm honestly shocked that no one at FedEx or UPS has gotten the bright idea to give people the option to ship their luggage to their destination beforehand and keep it at the airport until such a time when it can be brought to the terminal and parceled out to you at the ticketed baggage claim.

It shouldn't cost as much because you aren't asking for involved "last mile" service - the truck's just making runs from their airport depot to the baggage dropoff.

Promote ahead of peers.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
https://twitter.com/stevieb1968/status/1563960087298834433

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry



They put a flying car on the cover and it wasn’t the Pinto AVE Mizar?!

Zero One
Dec 30, 2004

HAIL TO THE VICTORS!
https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7135824670842211630

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I owned that exact book as a child.

I own it now. Gotta love Half-Price Books and their piles of "Dad coffee table" books.

vuk83 posted:

Why is the osprey the worlds worst airplane?

No airframe parachute.

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg
Oct 4, 2004

ha, ha, ha, og me ekam

So many different Urban Dictionary definitions for "airdrop" and I don't know which I want him to be referring to.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!


"He took a duck to the face at 250 knots."

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg posted:

So many different Urban Dictionary definitions for "airdrop" and I don't know which I want him to be referring to.

AirDrop refers to sending things (usually photos or videos) to other nearby iphones/ipads, in this context. It's really useful for some stuff but absolutely awful when used for trolling.

standard.deviant
May 17, 2012

Globally Indigent

PT6A posted:

AirDrop refers to sending things (usually photos or videos) to other nearby iphones/ipads, in this context. It's really useful for some stuff but absolutely awful when used for trolling.
Settings > General > Airdrop > Contacts Only

You’re welcome.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Trying to get aroused by sexually harassing strangers isn't trolling. It's a sex crime.

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg
Oct 4, 2004

ha, ha, ha, og me ekam

PT6A posted:

AirDrop refers to sending things (usually photos or videos) to other nearby iphones/ipads, in this context. It's really useful for some stuff but absolutely awful when used for trolling.

Yeah, I know, it's just ... I want to believe a pilot threatened to turn the plane around because someone was crop dusting the cabin.

`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n59906#2d4266e4


rscott
Dec 10, 2009
That's how I feel about halfway through a bunch of data entry work too

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
The USAF Museum's been doing "drone flights" through their facility and this one stands out since they don't normally allow visitors into the storage hangar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFHHpDkOMKQ

Resolution scales up to 4K.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


BIG HEADLINE posted:

The USAF Museum's been doing "drone flights" through their facility and this one stands out since they don't normally allow visitors into the storage hangar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFHHpDkOMKQ

Resolution scales up to 4K.

A bunch of really neat stuff and then a random Learjet....

What's that in the box at the back of the hangar?

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

A bunch of really neat stuff and then a random Learjet....

What's that in the box at the back of the hangar?

That "random learjet" has ~kinda~ a history: https://warbirdsnews.com/aviation-museum-news/usaf-learjet-c-21a-lands-national-museum-air-force.html

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The USAF Museum's been doing "drone flights" through their facility and this one stands out since they don't normally allow visitors into the storage hangar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFHHpDkOMKQ

Resolution scales up to 4K.

Some real rare birds in this video. The B-23, the world's dustiest Heinkel, the F-107, the Thunderceptor, and a FICON F-84.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

Trying to get aroused by sexually harassing strangers isn't trolling. It's a sex crime.

Nobody is getting aroused doing this.
It's the modern equivalent of sending memes to an unsecured printer, and doesn't even waste ink.

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Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Bud, it's a sex crime regardless. Airdrop dank memes if that's your jam, but once you start sending dick pics that crosses a line.

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