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PIZZA.BAT posted:exciting pl/sql contracts in akron ohio!! PM shouts every night In Ohio Crooked devops on sight In Ohio Every day is a fight In Ohio, Ohio Got teams to lead In Ohio Main dev on leave In Ohio Pretty sure he got the 'vid In Ohio, Ohio (livin...)
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PIZZA.BAT posted:they’re in house recruiters yeah. the third party ones are still sending me exciting pl/sql contracts in akron ohio!! lucky. the closest i get are for canton.
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i had a screening call that went fine but they are really eager to get an AWS wizard on board and I am merely a GCP and Azure wizard 
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Sep 2, 2022 05:26
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i was an aws wizard a year and a half ago. now i don't know what half the products available do.
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i dont think theres a single human being who actually understands all of aws anymore. prolly since like 2011 tbh
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Sep 2, 2022 05:38
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Every time someone tries to get me to "familiarize" myself with AWS I flatly refuse
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Sep 2, 2022 06:32
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CPColin posted:Every time someone tries to get me to "familiarize" myself with AWS I flatly refuse congrats on reducing your earning potential i guess?
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Sep 2, 2022 11:35
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CPColin posted:Every time someone tries to get me to "familiarize" myself with AWS I flatly refuse Yea, not like this industry requires constant skill updates and refreshes to be successful
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never been a sysadmin and not about to start now.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:never been a sysadmin and not about to start now. Exactly this Also they keep saying I should familiarize myself so I have the knowledge ready at some arbitrary time in the future when I'll need it and I keep reminding them that's not how learning works.
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Sep 2, 2022 14:50
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:never been a sysadmin and not about to start now. if you’re unfamiliar with it what makes you so confident this is what it is
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Sep 2, 2022 14:52
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raminasi posted:if you’re unfamiliar with it what makes you so confident this is what it is aws is just someone else's computer
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:never been a sysadmin and not about to start now. it’s devops, that’s completely different by completely of course I mean “double” and different I mean “total comp”
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the strong trend is to have separate peeps for doing the devops than wot did the dev, thus violating systematically the core and really only principle of devops it does pose a good excuse to force sysadmins to know how to code tho
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either way that kind of administration of systems (should come up with some kind of abbreviation) is not even distantly what i am good at. pretty much me working away on the little valve or nozzle i am responsible for preparing the moon mission, and someone suggests i should learn how to put the rocket together and oversee a launch as some kind of side hustle.
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more like “hey you can use an aws lambda to scale up your valve with little effort”
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:either way that kind of administration of systems (should come up with some kind of abbreviation) is not even distantly what i am good at. pretty much me working away on the little valve or nozzle i am responsible for preparing the moon mission, and someone suggests i should learn how to put the rocket together and oversee a launch as some kind of side hustle. ......do you know what a sysadmin does
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Sep 2, 2022 15:41
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Captain Foo posted:......do you know what a sysadmin does youre asking a lot of questions clearly answered in the quoted post
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:never been a sysadmin and not about to start now. open my chest cavity and write this on my heart
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Sep 2, 2022 15:47
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Captain Foo posted:......do you know what a sysadmin does hey, i didn't say sysadmin, i talked about the administrators of the systems!
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hobbesmaster posted:more like “hey you can use an aws lambda to scale up your valve with little effort” valves, and most one-person pieces of software, are not useful in isolation though. generally the point is that whatever you want to term the people doing deployment, provisioning and operations in modern cloud environments are (ideally) experts. even if the first move is easy doing things right takes planning, detail-orientation, and constantly updated knowledge. of course i even now cheat my way through some aws stuff here and there, but it would be idiotic for anyone to task me with it or for me to volunteer to do that work, my background, skills and education makes me no more suitable for it than someone in hr. get someone good paid. e: also being aware what can go wrong i would likely quickly stop sleeping.
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Asymmetric POSTer posted:aws is just someone else's computer are all uses of computers administration idg why e.g. writing code to create and use a buffer for asynchronous processing is development when it runs in my company’s data center and sysadmin when it runs in aws’s data center
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raminasi posted:are all uses of computers administration reason i tease a bit about the term is that a good system administrator back in the day did usually have a lot of coding tasks, and in complex places it was *also* an extremely complex specialized skill. if anything i find devops the a bit demeaning term, as it is bound up in the idea that some random developer could or should do it.
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Sep 2, 2022 16:51
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don't let the sh/sc bofhs who only derive pleasure from taking privileges away from the "lusers" get you down on sysadmin stuff, it's a good experience to be able to go through and understand how the software you right actually behaves in the field, and helps you make your software more useful
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carry on then posted:don't let the sh/sc bofhs who only derive pleasure from taking privileges away from the "lusers" get you down on sysadmin stuff, it's a good experience to be able to go through and understand how the software you right actually behaves in the field, and helps you make your software more useful luser detected
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Sep 2, 2022 17:17
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I have only ever wronged software, much like it's always wronged me
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Sep 2, 2022 17:25
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Captain Foo posted:luser detected
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Captain Foo posted:luser detected yo, cut it soy un perdedor i'm an luser baby, so why don't you kill me?
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Captain Foo posted:luser detected lmao don't defend sh/sc
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carry on then posted:lmao don't defend sh/sc I’m not, lmao
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Sep 2, 2022 20:50
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the 3-4 shsc threads I have bookmarked are fine
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Sep 2, 2022 21:05
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The Fool posted:the 3-4 shsc threads I have bookmarked are fine ok
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ok
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Sep 2, 2022 21:33
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More like 0K! Of memory!!!
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:if anything i find devops the a bit demeaning term, as it is bound up in the idea that some random developer could or should do it. ime devops is absolutely that. and not just random developer but some low paid outsourced rando on the other side of the world. i believe the investor storytime is that the software developers would drop a docker image and devops are responsible for deploying and orchestration and all the five nines part and because the five nines part is fairly established through sla contracts and whatnot, then it solves the problem of actually having to collaborate and work together with the remote parts of your team and its demeaning the same way that webdev ja demeaning - both devops and webdev are super complicated and hard to do well, but they’re shunted to junior devs / outsourced devs because no experienced developer wants to do it really [for the low pay]
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i’m not sure what world you live in but devops as the assumed name for platform operations work pays really well
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Blinkz0rz posted:i’m not sure what world you live in but devops as the assumed name for platform operations work pays really well i need to remember that devops now can now mean platform ops rather than what it actually originated as
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Sep 3, 2022 14:39
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that is directly relevant to my career and job situation with the new skip
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Captain Foo posted:i need to remember that devops now can now mean platform ops rather than what it actually originated as i mean it was originally a process (bring together dev and ops via culture change) rather than a role and devops practitioners were folks trying to drive that culture shift but lol of course it was going to get co-opted into “ops but with automation”
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Blinkz0rz posted:i mean it was originally a process (bring together dev and ops via culture change) rather than a role and devops practitioners were folks trying to drive that culture shift but lol of course it was going to get co-opted into “ops but with automation” “ops but with more automation and slowly moving more and more to Azure” is okay and makes sense in the context of my job whereas traditional devops makes no sense at all
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