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mind the walrus posted:And it's loving weird we can't admit that nearly 20 years after the fact. It's not like acknowledging some very understandable limits will take away from Keanu's good work or make him like you less. What the gently caress are you talking about? Every time I've ever seen Constantine discussed people call out that Keanu is bad in it. I remember people bringing up his performance when discussing that Constantine CW show that lasted two episodes. Hell, people complain about his performances in The Matrix and John Wick. What weird echo chamber are you living in where everyone is afraid to talk poo poo about an actor?
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mind the walrus posted:I mean, looking at Hellblazer comics of the 00s the 2005 movie is actually.... a really faithful adaptation. Like no-poo poo. It really does follow the beats and structure of what Constantine stories of that time actually were. The aesthetics are very similar. Pretty much everything is "there" from page to screen the way you'd expect it to be, minus the baffling decision of casting Shia LeBeouf as Chas. The plot feels shopworn because Hellblazer stories of that period were very old and shopworn. The gimmick was long past its sell-by date. I completely agree.
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Sep 26, 2022 21:17
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Yeah I'd say before 5 or so years ago the only thing I ever heard about Keanu Reeves was that he was a bad actor.
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Sep 26, 2022 21:34
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Keanu Reeves isn't the best actor but he's incredibly nice and dedicated so we just all go along with it.
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Sep 26, 2022 21:38
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Keanu Reeves was never considered a good actor, just one who could do a specific role. It's only in his later career that people are like, "Oh, he can actually do the thing." I think seeing him play well against type in the Neon Demon was a sign that he can do the thing. But he seems like a lovely person who's enjoying life, so...that's fine.
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It doesn’t help that in the interim Matt Ryan came along and knocked Constantine out of the park. Think what you will about the material he’s given, the guy is John Constantine.
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Sep 26, 2022 21:58
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Phy posted:There were a buttload of exorcism movies starting in the 00s, iirc "Of Emily Rose" was one of the less crappy ones That one was the one that was a "Christianity is under attack" legal drama with a trailer cut to make it look like a horror movie to trick people into seeing it. I think you're thinking of a different movie.
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Sep 26, 2022 22:00
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Keanu reeves best role was in that Sam raimi movie with a young Katie holmes where she gets her knockers out. No i haven’t seen it in twenty years nor can i remember the name.
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Sep 26, 2022 22:03
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Phylodox posted:It doesn’t help that in the interim Matt Ryan came along and knocked Constantine out of the park. Think what you will about the material he’s given, the guy is John Constantine. "DC's Legends Of Tomorrow is the best live-action show DC has ever managed, and Constantine is great in it." is what I say!
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Sep 26, 2022 22:17
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Jenna Coleman also rules in the role
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Sep 26, 2022 22:24
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Ambitious Spider posted:Jenna Coleman also rules in the role A Sandman show was a terrible idea creatively, but an overdue one commercially and she was good casting.
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Sep 26, 2022 22:25
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Keanu reeves best role was in that Sam raimi movie with a young Katie holmes where she gets her knockers out. That would be The Gift (2000).
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Sep 26, 2022 22:26
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HopperUK posted:I'm extremely fond of Stigmata. It's not *good*, mind you. I just like it. Chumbawamba actually aged really well, insofar as the world decayed badly enough that I now understand and appreciate what they were singing about : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSpqj3V0s2E
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Keanu is also pretty good in Speed and Point Break. He has a niche that works well. Outside of that, it’s pretty shaky. Sometimes you get Devil’s Advocate, sometimes you get Neon Demon. Sometimes, Dracula. I enjoyed Constantine but I won’t pretend he’s a great choice for the role. Like someone else said, he seems to be a nice guy and Hollywood has make-a-wished a b-tier actor to an A-lister. Realistically, he’s about as good as a regular on CSI or a supporting role on like, Hannibal.
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Yeah, I wouldn't call Keanu a bad actor, just one with a fairly limited range. He's badly out of place in the Ken Brannagh Much Ado About Nothing, for example.
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Rascar Capac posted:Yeah, I wouldn't call Keanu a bad actor, just one with a fairly limited range. That's a really important distinction to make and I think it's why we've had such a Keanussaince in the past decade or so: casting directors finally started giving him the right roles. There's a tidbit on his Wikipedia page about him playing Hamlet on stage and some reviewer gushing endlessly about the performance. It makes me really curious to have seen that production since it doesn't seem like something that would be particularly in his wheelhouse, excerpt for maybe how he comes across in interviews.
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Stigmata was the first movie to give my wife a seizure. It was also like our second date movie, so I had to drive her car to the hospital as she was being taken there in an ambulance. Which was a learning experience for me cuz I had never driven an automatic before and kept hitting the brake like it was the clutch out of habit.
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rodbeard posted:That one was the one that was a "Christianity is under attack" legal drama with a trailer cut to make it look like a horror movie to trick people into seeing it. I think you're thinking of a different movie. Certainly could be. Rascar Capac posted:Yeah, I wouldn't call Keanu a bad actor, just one with a fairly limited range. He's badly out of place in the Ken Brannagh Much Ado About Nothing, for example. I have tried several times to watch Bram Stoker's Dracula for the art direction and Gary Oldman's performance and the fact that it's one of the few adaptations to show Drac getting stabbed to death by a rich cowboy with a Bowie knife, but I can't get past Reeves as Jonathan Harker.
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Sep 26, 2022 23:57
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Rochallor posted:That's a really important distinction to make and I think it's why we've had such a Keanussaince in the past decade or so: casting directors finally started giving him the right roles. I thought his role Dangerous Liaisons was very different than anything else I felt fit him and he did that well.
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Phy posted:I have tried several times to watch Bram Stoker's Dracula for the art direction and Gary Oldman's performance and the fact that it's one of the few adaptations to show Drac getting stabbed to death by a rich cowboy with a Bowie knife, but I can't get past Reeves as Jonathan Harker. yeah it's kind of like watching Gangs of New York with Cameron Diaz
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Sep 27, 2022 00:07
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Keanu is not a good actor but he’s very good at picking projects so he usually ends up the worst part of every movie he’s in. That’s not a bad place to be.
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I've mentioned before, but Keanu being so friendly and genuine also extends to the fact that he'll really dedicate himself to doing such a job as well as he can. He'll do his best to understand everything going into the Matrix, he'll go hard on understanding the choreography for fight scenes, all that. That doesn't make up for him occasionally just being bad casting, of course.
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I have a CD wallet labelled Desert Island Emergency Kit filled with my top 20 DVDs, just in case I'm ever stranded alone after my boat sinks, and Constantine is right near the front
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Sep 27, 2022 02:46
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Also, Keanu Reeves in Always Be My Maybe as an rear end in a top hat faux crunchy goopster version of himself makes me laugh every time
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Phylodox posted:That would be The Gift (2000). That it would be x
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Cleretic posted:I've mentioned before, but Keanu being so friendly and genuine also extends to the fact that he'll really dedicate himself to doing such a job as well as he can. He'll do his best to understand everything going into the Matrix, he'll go hard on understanding the choreography for fight scenes, all that. Being friendly, hardworking, and a little competent puts you in the top 20% of almost everything
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Kei Technical posted:Being friendly, hardworking, and a little competent puts you in the top 20% of almost everything Keanu shows up on set every day prepared and ready to work, no drug/sex/violence scandals in a nearly four decade long career, he treats the crew well, he can open a movie whether it’s art house or wide release, he’s great on talk shows, he doesn’t gently caress his female co-stars or have relationship drama, all ages like him from kids to grandmas, no strange religion or politics, he’s nice to fans he meets on the street, everyone is willing to work with him, he doesn’t give a poo poo about being a star or award winner. He’s rarer than a rainbow Sasquatch, NOBODY in Hollywood at that level acts like this.
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Nieuw Amsterdam posted:Keanu shows up on set every day prepared and ready to work, no drug/sex/violence scandals in a nearly four decade long career, he treats the crew well, he can open a movie whether it’s art house or wide release, he’s great on talk shows, he doesn’t gently caress his female co-stars or have relationship drama, all ages like him from kids to grandmas, no strange religion or politics, he’s nice to fans he meets on the street, everyone is willing to work with him, he doesn’t give a poo poo about being a star or award winner. yea pretty much, Keanu's a fantastic example of how you can do well if you just have a level of talent and skill and are a personable person to be around. He's never going to be some great hallowed name in acting but he's a genuinely nice seeming guy who's been in Hollywood this long with zero drama or weirdness and very clearly doesn't have an ego or inflated image of what he does. Dude may have like three characters he can play but he'll be welcome on most projects just because he's a safe asset you know won't cause problems and will be professional.
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I'm going to take the opportunity to bring up my absolute favorite random Keanu role here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYG0O8exvBg It's literally just Rebel Without A Cause cosplay and I love every second of it 
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Sidestepping all the racism and misogyny in MASH. (and there is a lot of that.) The part I don't like about it is in the later years, Alan Alda got more and more control, and his character basically became the parody of it that was in Futurama. With the maudlin/irreverent switch.  But even saying that, it is a hugely important and (mostly) good show. The baddies were magnificent. The bloke who played Frank was amazing in finding the fine line between pitiable and detestable. And Charles Winchester is a phenomenal character, (a huge arrogant snob to be the baddie in the slobs v snobs way, but also a fine surgeon with a good heart who cared for his patients.)
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BrigadierSensible posted:Sidestepping all the racism and misogyny in MASH. (and there is a lot of that.) My favourite aspect of Charles is how he interacts with Father Mulcahy. He believes he has to respect a cleric, but Mulcahy is from a lower-class Irish family and a Catholic and Charles disdains both of those things, and he just never quite knows what to do. And Mulcahy knows this and quietly leans into it any time he needs something, and it's very good.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Sidestepping all the racism and misogyny in MASH. (and there is a lot of that.) The show got serious sometimes, and those bits brought me straight back to the hospital/outpatient clinic I worked for in Afghanistan (it was a US navy facility, but my direct boss and coworkers were all soldiers). The soldiers I worked with were the ones who didn’t get hurt bad enough to be immediately sent home, but might just need like a week of rest and a psych assessment before that decision got made one way or the other. The theme song still drags me straight back there, and calls up the smell of bandages/dressings that need changing. It’s the weirdest thing, but it’s such a strong association.
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Rochallor posted:That's a really important distinction to make and I think it's why we've had such a Keanussaince in the past decade or so: casting directors finally started giving him the right roles. If you want to see him do Shakespeare, he is Don John in Branagh's Much Ado About Nothing. I thought he did well but overshadowed a bit by the rest of the cast. In his defense, the rest of the cast includes Denzel Washington, Kenneth Branagh, and Emma Thompson.
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Sure he has 3 characters but there’s a lot of those 3 dudes out there. It works fine.
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Keanu is good in and as Constantine. Very angry bitter man super disconnected from his insane life. It’s great
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Crowetron posted:What the gently caress are you talking about? Every time I've ever seen Constantine discussed people call out that Keanu is bad in it. I remember people bringing up his performance when discussing that Constantine CW show that lasted two episodes. Hell, people complain about his performances in The Matrix and John Wick. What weird echo chamber are you living in where everyone is afraid to talk poo poo about an actor? Rascar Capac posted:Yeah, I wouldn't call Keanu a bad actor, just one with a fairly limited range. He's badly out of place in the Ken Brannagh Much Ado About Nothing, for example. Rochallor posted:That's a really important distinction to make and I think it's why we've had such a Keanussaince in the past decade or so: casting directors finally started giving him the right roles. Alexander Hamilton posted:Keanu is not a good actor but he’s very good at picking projects so he usually ends up the worst part of every movie he’s in. That’s not a bad place to be. Cleretic posted:I've mentioned before, but Keanu being so friendly and genuine also extends to the fact that he'll really dedicate himself to doing such a job as well as he can. He'll do his best to understand everything going into the Matrix, he'll go hard on understanding the choreography for fight scenes, all that. Cool Kids Club Soda posted:Also, Keanu Reeves in Always Be My Maybe as an rear end in a top hat faux crunchy goopster version of himself makes me laugh every time Kei Technical posted:Being friendly, hardworking, and a little competent puts you in the top 20% of almost everything Nieuw Amsterdam posted:Keanu shows up on set every day prepared and ready to work, no drug/sex/violence scandals in a nearly four decade long career, he treats the crew well, he can open a movie whether it’s art house or wide release, he’s great on talk shows, he doesn’t gently caress his female co-stars or have relationship drama, all ages like him from kids to grandmas, no strange religion or politics, he’s nice to fans he meets on the street, everyone is willing to work with him, he doesn’t give a poo poo about being a star or award winner. Dumpmaster General posted:yea pretty much, Keanu's a fantastic example of how you can do well if you just have a level of talent and skill and are a personable person to be around. He's never going to be some great hallowed name in acting but he's a genuinely nice seeming guy who's been in Hollywood this long with zero drama or weirdness and very clearly doesn't have an ego or inflated image of what he does. Dude may have like three characters he can play but he'll be welcome on most projects just because he's a safe asset you know won't cause problems and will be professional. Thomamelas posted:If you want to see him do Shakespeare, he is Don John in Branagh's Much Ado About Nothing. I thought he did well but overshadowed a bit by the rest of the cast. In his defense, the rest of the cast includes Denzel Washington, Kenneth Branagh, and Emma Thompson. CelticPredator posted:Keanu is good in and as Constantine. Very angry bitter man super disconnected from his insane life. It’s great Where the crowd mutates very quickly from "go gently caress yourself everyone knows he sucked in Constantine and has limited range" to "oh he's a wonderful guy though" to "yeah and he's a great actor too!" right into "Yeah and he was great in Constantine!" Seen it happen here and dozens of other places, so maybe think before you bust out the "  What the gently caress are you talking about?  " poo poo. It's an understandable phenomenon, but a loving weird one. Thanks by the way everyone for the empirical evidence. Couldn't have done it without you.
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Keanu Reeves is awesome because he is a living example of how any profession on the planet Earth no matter how glamorous can present to you a worker you just cock your head at and go "aww, hey, he's trying give him some credit." Any profession, even hollywood acting.
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Rochallor posted:There's a tidbit on his Wikipedia page about him playing Hamlet on stage and some reviewer gushing endlessly about the performance. It makes me really curious to have seen that production since it doesn't seem like something that would be particularly in his wheelhouse, excerpt for maybe how he comes across in interviews.
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mind the walrus posted:Thanks by the way everyone for the empirical evidence. Couldn't have done it without you.  Cleretic posted:I've mentioned before, but Keanu being so friendly and genuine also extends to the fact that he'll really dedicate himself to doing such a job as well as he can. He'll do his best to understand everything going into the Matrix, he'll go hard on understanding the choreography for fight scenes, all that. This is my favorite because it makes him sound like he has special needs.
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mind the walrus posted:This exact pipeline which plays out every single time it comes up: Okay, you have a point about idolization of celebrities and the weird way people talk about a man they do not and never will know like he's a beloved family pet.
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