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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Ah, that is a great detail that I didn't pick up on. Oh yeah I definitely want to agree she definitely blapped them all, and she enjoyed it. They kept talking about her like she was supposed to be scary, 'watch out' or 'dont make HER mad at you' but she seemed relatively nice at the camp? The plan was always for her to stay behind knowing she'd be alone and have to get out of there when there will probably be a lockdown on the planet and people interrogated. And she was calm about it all telling Val to not hesitate? She went straight to guns when she saw the officer had his gun out? Shes cold blooded and yeah, I probably wouldnt want to see what her mad is like.
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Oct 13, 2022 07:49
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robot roll call posted:this looks almost abstract next to Andor, just a bunch of random poo poo floating on screen It's so funny, lol. Ahh, what a waste of Ewan and Hayden's return.
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Oct 13, 2022 08:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO8vn7Mi-l0 This is a good video for succintly summarizing what Andor does with the morality of Star Wars. Normally it's a very black and white fight between total good and evil, with every Imperial who's not comically fascist being a future rebel. But in real life, people just get swept up in the tides of history. Decent guys who think they're doing the right thing and are willing to risk their lives to save children from terrorists end up being part of the bad guys, and selfish and incompetent people end up being part of the good guys. poo poo is messy and everyone gets hosed up.
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Oct 13, 2022 08:24
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Ah, that is a great detail that I didn't pick up on. I think option A above (as in her doing that) is probably more hardcore than this show will get, though it's admittedly not smart heisting to leave hostages who've seen your faces and heard you speaking each other's names alive. I'd be okay with it if that's the way the show wants to go because naturally it's an interesting path for the story, but it's not how I'm expecting things to play out. To actually make that really matter, the plan would've also had to have been to ice all the Imperials who were helping them load up the credits, and while it's possible that was their intention if things had all gone to plan I highly doubt it. I guess Cintra could've gone into business for herself there, but I just can't imagine Disney being willing to push the envelope that far. I definitely think that between all the various Star Wars media (animated shows, books, comics, and live action) that have depicted the rebellion across a long period of time already, and will continue to do so to some degree, there's going to be plenty of shady things that make the Rebels difficult to accept as pure good guys as a whole (if you're into Star Wars enough to track down and absorb every bit of that content). I appreciate that things seem to be expanding more in that direction, and I think it's a nice corollary to the "Empire wasn't all bad" mindset/potential argument. Let's leave the black and white morality to the Sith and the Jedi and let the rest of the Star Wars Universe usually work in between those two extremes to varying degrees. Edit: I wrote all this before seeing chitoryu's post, but yeah that post and the video works along similar lines to what I muse about in the paragraph above this one.
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Oct 13, 2022 08:36
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What a great episode (and show). The payoff of seeing _____The Eye_______ after all the buildup was worth it too, that was loving beautiful.
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Oct 13, 2022 08:57
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Jerusalem posted:What a great episode (and show). That thing's definitely going to be a theme park/Star Tours ride at some point. Or it's going to be in a game or "VR experience". And I frankly am all for it because I want to fly through the pretty lights.
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Oct 13, 2022 09:00
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stev posted:That thing's definitely going to be a theme park/Star Tours ride at some point. Or it's going to be in a game or "VR experience". And I frankly am all for it because I want to fly through the pretty lights. In a TIE with a full startup sequence.
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Oct 13, 2022 09:02
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Someone needs to steal that for an epic mission in a flight sim or space sim immediately.
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Oct 13, 2022 09:45
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Skeen's heel turn really sheds a different light on the way he behaves. The first time we see him he wakes Nemik up with a loaded blaster, talking poo poo about how with other rebel cells he'd be killed for sleeping on duty. He hasn't told the cell he's been in Imperial prison. He volunteers Taramyn's past at exactly the right time before the heist for Cassian to not be able to question it. Corrosive bullshit in any organzistion.
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Oct 13, 2022 10:13
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It's a shame that the whole "axe forgets" quote was based on a lie rather than an actual trauma/motivation.
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Oct 13, 2022 10:15
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PunkBoy posted:-You could probably overlay Payday 2 music over the entire heist sequence and it will fit perfectly. Guys, the Lightsaber Drill - go get it.
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Oct 13, 2022 10:43
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great ep, great series. were the doctor's arms a practical effect??? it looked like it. skeen's plan didn't seem premeditated to me – i read it more like he realised that he couldn't hack it as a rebel while they were on the way to surgery planet and decided to cut his losses. the camera kept focusing on him looking mad guilty after he froze during the covering fire scene etc. all the worldbuilding details in this show are perfect... it doesn't matter that they only got a third of the vault. of course the senate is mostly empty during a normal session. there's no need to show epic nerd bait like the sly moore dinner party, mentioning it offhand is enough to tell the viewer that mon mothma needs to be on her guard constantly, even at home.
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Oct 13, 2022 10:54
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Fie, episode sucked because I was cheated of my dinner party dammit. I was imagining something as gloriously awkward as a Goonmeet, with Mon quietly seething until popping off, Gilroy must hang for this disgraceful tease. Her scene in the irrelevant Senate was depressing af, and also very reminiscent of times I’ve flicked channels and seen some poor sod passionately arguing something to a disinterested and near empty House on the Parliament Channel. Man, even though everyone in the world called it, still bummed about Manifesto Kid buying the farm, he was just a nice kind of character for Cass to bounce off and promote ideas and discussion. Also cool how the party healer turned out to be the most stone cold mofo of the group and hope we check in with her again at some point. I’ll say this for Cass, I greatly respect his ‘sensible person finding themself in a horror film’ approach to dealing with danger. No hesitation, just shoot fuckers all day at the first hint of bullshit. Other than the episode’s length, lack of true aliens, and the UNFORGIVABLE LACK OF A DINNER PARTY, I have no complaints. Cracking stuff. Edit: lol, a very appropriate page number.
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Rougey posted:Guys, the Lightsaber Drill - go get it. You joke, but I honestly thought how quick the heist would go with a lightsaber.
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Oct 13, 2022 11:40
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Turin Turambar posted:You joke, but I honestly thought how quick the heist would go with a lightsaber. Yeah not gonna lie it was my first thought as well.
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Oct 13, 2022 11:48
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Yeah it’s pretty weird to think about how the entire Star Wars property is based around these space wizards just using their super powers to improvise crazy poo poo but no, normal people have to plan for a long time to do something like steal some money from a small military base. Again it’s why when I’m watching this I’m often forgetting it’s Star Wars and just thinking it’s a good sci fi show
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Dr.Radical posted:Yeah it’s pretty weird to think about how the entire Star Wars property is based around these space wizards just using their super powers to improvise crazy poo poo but no, normal people have to plan for a long time to do something like steal some money from a small military base. There's a great bit in Fallen Order where you're fighting alongside Saw Gerrera's forces on Kashyyyk and it highlights how loving powerful even a half-trained Jedi is.
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I thought it funny that Imperial staff get paid in these heavy gold blocks, I'm going to have to go back to the first ep of Mandalorian to see what the Imperial creds looked like to see if it's the same currency. And rolled up in those containers I couldn't help but think they were giant rolls of poker chips. When I saw them initially it made me wonder if they were paying everyone in these dinner plate sized coins lol. Also, I thought the plan was to steal ALL of it-but with the time they allocated there's no way they'd get all that loot in the spaceship.
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Oct 13, 2022 12:29
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chitoryu12 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO8vn7Mi-l0 There's no grey there. If you are a 'good guy' that works for the Nazis, no you're not, you're a Nazi. Do you think he would have protected a Dhani child? In addition, Kallus should have been tried for war crimes and Wedge Antilles should have been shot.
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"Don't worry. You'll sleep when it's over." Foreshadowing, everybody!
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Episode delivered and more from start to finish. I was constantly on the edge of my seat because of all the moving parts. As others have mentioned, so much could have plausibly gone wrong at any point. After Rogue One we learned, that in this scenario no character (well except the titular guy) is safe. And like in the movie, they managed to make the viewer care about that ragtag-band of good terrorists. The Skeen proposal immediately triggered in my head a scenario, where he and Andor sit in the freighter on that forgotten moon, eyeing each other for weeks and growing more suspicious and paranoid over time. This would make a great 60 minute psycho-thriller and i can totally understand why Andor preferred to go   Cinta is my girl now. It took this episode to realize, the actress also played Chetri in Strike Back. So now i want a continuation of the story with her after the 2 Seasons of Andor will be concluded. 
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stev posted:It's a shame that the whole "axe forgets" quote was based on a lie rather than an actual trauma/motivation. Not necessarily. If you imagine an unspoken "anymore" after his line "I have no brother," it could just reflect his cold heartedness and be an explanation for why he's done with trying to build connections and is only looking out for himself after already being burned once.
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I think that’s a stretch. He was pretty matter of fact about it. But whatever, this is all part of the fun I suppose
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Andor is handily the best Star Wars since 1980, poo poo, maybe ever. Can someone please use one of those AI image creators to make a picture of Nemik in a socialist realism style?
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Owlbear Camus posted:"Don't worry. You'll sleep when it's over." And not just in a "he's not gonna make it way" but specifically he only died after the job was done.
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exmarx posted:great ep, great series. were the doctor's arms a practical effect??? it looked like it. I'm like 85% sure the doctor was literally this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7pp6KK6pfY
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Panfilo posted:I thought it funny that Imperial staff get paid in these heavy gold blocks, I'm going to have to go back to the first ep of Mandalorian to see what the Imperial creds looked like to see if it's the same currency. And rolled up in those containers I couldn't help but think they were giant rolls of poker chips. When I saw them initially it made me wonder if they were paying everyone in these dinner plate sized coins lol. There was both the visual allusion to what a gamble the whole thing was and the real-world phenomenon of making money take up more room so it's harder to transport.
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They had a window of time between when the alert would go out to the TIE base and when the TIEs would actually arrive. They knew it was going to be a limited window so they just took what they could.
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I thought the point was to steal the entire lot which would have had a big impact on that sector. Of course the mere act of stealing any of it was a huge security clusterfuck as we see in the emergency meeting that's starting at the end of the episode. I also feel this, Rogue One and similar stories do a great job at showing just what goes into the Rebellion. The original trilogy show set piece battles going on but the actual rebellion itself feels like something happening faintly in the background. But stuff like payroll heists and stealing superweapon plans give much better context as to the stakes and the sacrifice that went into getting to the point they were at in ANH.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:There's no grey there. If you are a 'good guy' that works for the Nazis, no you're not, you're a Nazi. Do you think he would have protected a Dhani child? In addition, Kallus should have been tried for war crimes and Wedge Antilles should have been shot. This logic fails in reality. OK, you shoot everyone that worked for the Empire because they committed the crime of living in complicated and dangerous times. You shoot Wedge when he defects. You shoot Han when he shows up with Luke (an aspiring space Nazi himself!) . Imperial deserter and all. Now the two guys who did everything they could to help the only guy who could make the shot are gone. That's not even "only guy" because of Jedi reasons. He's literally the only pilot left. Vader easily destroys the entire assault on the Death Star. The Rebel base is destroyed. Everyone that has any idea how to destroy the Death Star is dead. Every extant set of plans are gone, so no one can ever work out the flaw again. The only person who can challenge Vader is dead. The Empire wins, forever.
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Happy Rogue One teaser day. 6(!!) years ago.
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Panfilo posted:I thought the point was to steal the entire lot which would have had a big impact on that sector. Of course the mere act of stealing any of it was a huge security clusterfuck as we see in the emergency meeting that's starting at the end of the episode.
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I am currently 27 minutes in, they've just made it to the vault, and this is the most intense Star Wars I have ever seen in my life. Holy gently caress.
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latest episode spoilers Every single time someone is hanging in the back of a plane in fiction while the cargo slides, like Ahsohka in the first Clone Wars episode/pilot movie, the writers want you to think of what happened in this episode as a possibility, but no one's ever done it 'til now
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The producers of Andor understand the universal truth of storytelling: nothing is cooler than starfighter pilots prepping for a scramble alert. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_CP4SuoTU&t=91s chitoryu12 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO8vn7Mi-l0 It's really funny using all the synonyms at the end, I'm like "Just say banal dude!!!" zoux fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Oct 13, 2022 |
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Finished the episode. Goddamn. Just goddamn.
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NowonSA posted:
Yeah upon thinking about it some I think this is one of those 'seize the opportune moment' things from Skeen. Like not only is someone injured enough to argue for diverting to the doctor's hideout instead of going to whatever handover is/was eventually planned, but also it's just him, Vel and Andor. It's as good an opportunity as he could ask for to turn the op into a score for himself. It probably wasn't his plan all along, but he was never ideologically committed and when the chance showed up he's happy enough to try it. It's a shame we'll probably never have any confirmation about how much of his story to Andor was bullshit and how much was real. Because I could totally buy someone who hates the Empire as much as Skeen says he does in that exchange, *but also* for him his 'rebellion' is 'me against everyone else'. Those two things aren't necessarily in conflict at all. Skeen could be a guy who was thoroughly poo poo on by life and just decides 'you know what, gently caress *everyone*'. Or it could all have been a lie and and a con, and we probably don't get to know.
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I wonder how useful a space port is at the exact spot in the sacred valley that gets blasted with particles and shuts down space flight for a day every 3 years is. I assume whatever makes this the key point for the eye also makes it a great spot for the port. Also great episode, great show. I don't think I've ever watched SW while feeling so tense! I'm very grateful for the 2 episodes of setup for this one too. I feel like maybe other shows I'm watching lately need to end an ep on a big note or a cliffhanger and would have maybe started the heist early or mid episode 5 with a complication hitting right at the end, just to keep a viewer in suspense for next week. But here we know the heist is happening tomorrow, we know its next episode and then we just get a banger to watch the whole way through for 40ish minutes. Great pacing. I wonder how it'll feel when I inevitably rewatch the whole show over a weekend?
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Shoehead posted:I wonder how useful a space port is at the exact spot in the sacred valley that gets blasted with particles and shuts down space flight for a day every 3 years is. I assume whatever makes this the key point for the eye also makes it a great spot for the port. I gather the phenomenon is planet-wide, or at least facing-hemisphere-wide. We saw it at the existing airbase too, after all. I think the valley was just the place convenient to the locals to gather for a watch party.
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