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drunkill posted:Personally I think they got the mithril forging stuff backwards, it should have been Cele-brimby already knowing to make it an alloy to help stretch the material, but instead having him fail to forge mithril as a normal alloy, the materials not mixing/binding etc. Then have Sauron come by and suggest to use pressure to make it work, having to assert your dominance over the material to form what you want, sort of putting your will into the molten metal. Except he still thinks the elves are making a crown and not rings. Thematically that would have been better and alluded to pouring your will and soul into creating something unique. I like this a lot. It also opens up a more organic Sauron reveal. Galadriel can slowly come to suspect something is off as Halbrand becomes more and more agitated or extreme in pushing to forge the crown. Maybe even have the explosive accident actually harm someone and have him brush it off (break some eggs to make an omelet as an earlier poster said).
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External Organs posted:^^^gently caress me, that's fabulous! Some of them are consumed by dragons and destroyed, possibly because they are said to multiply wealth. Others get taken by Sauron. The Dwarves aren't really doing much better than the Elves, if at all, during the Third Age.
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Jetrauben posted:Some of them are consumed by dragons and destroyed, possibly because they are said to multiply wealth. Others get taken by Sauron. The Dwarves aren't really doing much better than the Elves, if at all, during the Third Age. Let's get a modern fourth age middle earth show where some random guy finds a dwarven ring and suddenly sprouts a gigantic loving beard and gets shorter. He opens a bar and it's basically ted lasso
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Oct 15, 2022 19:27
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it's great but she says "Mordor" like an old 1920's gangster would say murder. I guess you can't roll your R's while singing easily.
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Oct 15, 2022 19:32
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disas behavior is because she already got a ring offscreen
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Oct 15, 2022 19:37
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Does Elrond have a shorter life/less mystical elf powers than a regular elf because he’s only half elf? I’m assuming his parents were elf + human or something. While we’re on this topic, can humans make babies with the dwarves or hobbits? Can they make babies with each other/the elves?
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Oct 15, 2022 19:53
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Boris Galerkin posted:Does Elrond have a shorter life/less mystical elf powers than a regular elf because he’s only half elf? I’m assuming his parents were elf + human or something. I think he and his twin brother got to choose between either being human or elvish. Elrond picked elf and his brother picked human. So Elrond is just a straight up elf now, as far as I know. I'm sure another goon can answer it way better though.
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Oct 15, 2022 19:55
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they get a choice of fates between human mortality and elven "immortality", basically. elros and elrond chose the former and latter respectively something i also just remembered is how little we heard of elros on the show, considering, y'know kliras fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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Boris Galerkin posted:Does Elrond have a shorter life/less mystical elf powers than a regular elf because he’s only half elf? I’m assuming his parents were elf + human or something. elrond is interesting because he's actually part maia in his ancestry. like others mentioned, he got to choose between the gift of elves and the gift of men. it might sound a little weird, but "mixes" tend to be stronger than just 1 thing in tolkien, and certainly some part maia made elrond better than the average elf. the real differentiator was whether the elf was born in valinor during the era of high magic (2 trees) or born in ME. Elrond i believe was born in ME, so he's at least a tier below Galadriel, but still well above average in his innate elf abilities. kliras posted:something i also just remembered is how little we heard of elros on the show, considering, y'know it does seem like the show is avoiding some of the "harder" mysticism and religious origins from the text. we're seeing valinor but there's no real discussion of the valar or eru. sidestepping the elros connection might be a casualty of that, but i hope we get some of this in s2. Moltke fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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Oct 15, 2022 20:09
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Boris Galerkin posted:While we’re on this topic, can humans make babies with the dwarves or hobbits? Can they make babies with each other/the elves? I don't think that ever comes up in the Legendarium. Half-Hobbits might be possible given they're assumed to be very close to humans. Dwarves are from a completely different creator so might be unable to do so though. But then again there's nothing concrete in the source material. kliras posted:they get a choice of fates between human mortality and elven "immortality", basically. elros and elrond chose the former and latter respectively There was that mural that Elendil and Galadriel briefly saw, that's about it.
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Moltke posted:it does seem like the show is avoiding some of the "harder" mysticism and religious origins from the text. we're seeing valinor but there's no real discussion of the valar or eru. sidestepping the elros connection might be a casualty of that, but i hope we get some of this in s2. They don't have the rights for any of that I think
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Oct 15, 2022 20:24
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drunkill posted:Someone on reddit straight up fixed the mordor title swap from episode 6. See, that's what I was expecting would happen. What? Was it too loving expensive to gently caress with the map a little for such a cool reveal like that? Did Amazon run out of money or something?
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Oct 15, 2022 20:40
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the weird thing is that before earendil went to valinor the half elves were all basically mortal
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Oct 15, 2022 20:45
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There’s already a mithril alloy in the lore: ilthril is a mithril alloy that glows in moonlight or starlight, or can be made to glow in those when a secret word is said nearby. It’s the stuff in durin’s door. Will the rings glow? Do they have passwords? Also, they look like something 90s Doctor Strange would wear. Thank god I don’t have to think about this show for 2 years.
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A couple of thoughts: I've seen multiple people go off about how there's not enough Kingdoms of Men to have fingers for the 9 rings. You know where I bet has a bunch of kingdoms, never written about? Rhûn. Also, I am going on the record stating I think the cultists are balrogs. They're evil, and have shown maiar-level powers.
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I loved every episode of this series and I'm hooked, can't wait for more. Great casting imo.
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my bony fealty posted:They don't have the rights for any of that I think Ok hear me out, they should have just made a show using everything in the lore BUT if someone says a name they don’t have rights to, a klaxon sounds over the person talking. Anything visual needs pixelisation like dicks in Japanese porn.
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Jerusalem posted:It doesn't come up in the books more than 6-7 times, but Durin's Bane is actually hiding so deep down beneath Moria because it got humiliated when it was showing off its wings to a girl-Balrog it liked when Ancagalon suddenly flew overhead. Ancalamogged. Sauron being obsessed with order and therefore turning to (in-universe) evil makes perfect sense. If you're interested in perfect order you're necessarily going to be interested in slave societies with dictatorial rule and massive social inequality. You favor industry over nature, because nature is chaotic and constantly changing, while industry is controlled and managed. You favor expansionism because you can't tolerate the existence of multiple external kingdoms with their own rulers, laws, etc. These things don't need to be portrayed as fantastically dark and foul, but that's the aesthetic of fantasy in this genre. Amazon itself is a great Sauron-like figure in a realistic modern context. Bezos is out here doing all kinds of harm in pursuit of order. Google's mission statement is "to organize the world's information," and in pursuit of that order they've done tremendous evil.
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Oct 15, 2022 21:42
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Saruman was only trying to disrupt the pipeweed industry
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Bezos is out here doing all kinds of harm in pursuit of order. You're giving Bezos way too much credit here. He's doing all sorts of harm in pursuit of profit.
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Oct 15, 2022 21:49
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YaketySass posted:Saruman was only trying to disrupt the pipeweed industry This but unironically
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Corbeau posted:You're giving Bezos way too much credit here. He's doing all sorts of harm in pursuit of profit. Money just becomes a proxy for power after a certain level.
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like the other tech billionaires, bezos is a fan of the torment nexus
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I know this link was probs already posted but https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikka...-the-joker/amp/ Just LOL that Amazon focus grouped a series, and found out they needed to combine “Game Of Thrones” with “Breaking Bad,” “The Sopranos,” and loving “Batman.” Now this all makes more sense
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Money just becomes a proxy for power after a certain level.
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Darko posted:At this point, Dragon Incest is at universal acclaim due to delivering one of the best performances across anything this year hands-down with Emmy talks. No idea why you're avoiding that, but okay. Hey look, I'm all for Paddy Constantine knocking everyone socks off, but this show seems like a magnification of the stuff I didn't like in GoT with very little of the stuff I did...so it failed to get me interested beyond episode 2.
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Amazon picked the two Mormon stooges as first time showrunners so they as the studio can bully them around. Any established director would've told them to gently caress off and Rings of Power would've felt more focused. Still pretty though.Boris Galerkin posted:Does Elrond have a shorter life/less mystical elf powers than a regular elf because he’s only half elf? I’m assuming his parents were elf + human or something. Elros was the first king and the progenitor of the line of Numenor so Aragorn is several thousands of years related directly to Elrond when he marries his daughter, Arwen. Note: Elrond married Galadriel's daughter, Celebrian, who should already exist by now so again, playing fast and loose with the source material
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Elrond's gonna imprint on baby Celebrian like the Twilight guy
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Just watched the finale. It is hard to judge a show like this. Because some of the greatest TV series of all time have had awkward plotting sequences, lousy first seasons, or obvious ‘they didn’t have the budget’ or ‘they ran out of time in the writers’ room’ moments. A lot can be forgiven. But when the world’s biggest corporation spends years developing the most expensive TV show ever, it’s hard not to look at that and go… …you couldn’t spring for a one-minute scene where Galadriel runs out to the stables and says, ‘Hey, Halbrand dumped me in a river 20 minutes ago, which way did he go when he left the city?’ Or better yet, a one-minute scene where Halbrand shows off his dark powers and magically disguises himself as someone else when he leaves so he can’t be followed? Perhaps it’s nitpicking. But these people have unlimited creative opportunity and budget, and yet and I’m staring at my screen wondering stupid thoughts like, ‘…wouldn’t she have begun by attempting to chase after her mortal enemy who she previously tracked relentlessly through the wilderness, and who now appears to be travelling on foot with, at best, a few hours’ headstart on her?’ grobbo fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Oct 15, 2022 |
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grobbo posted:Just watched the finale. I do think this is nitpicking. She had him unarmed point blank with a dagger forged under the light of the two trees, before day and night even existed and he quite literally dunked and rinsed her without breaking a sweat. A scene of her chasing Halbrand as he runs away would've been a waste of runtime, like the extremely extended Harfoot goodbye!
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galenanorth posted:There are a lot of people who recognize this while also thinking that anyone who doesn't seek power must be weak or defective. People who use their talent to do something like Doctors Without Borders are destined to be swept by history's wayside, while the strong who "invest" all the (political, social, mainly capital) power they have toward the exponential accumulation of power are the ones destined to rule. And there are fascists in prime minister or presidential office-level positions sincerely spouting stuff like that all the time Yeah I was speaking more to the idea that Bezos is merely after money, not a desire to order the world to his liking. I'm saying that the oligarchs of our world see accumulation of money as the accumulation of power, through purchasing government favors, monopolizing industries, destroying competitors, etc. Sauron's desire for order and that expressing itself as an affinity for the dark elements of the legendarium are very well documented and supported in all the Tolkien texts. Gandalf, Hobbits, and Tom Bombadil as his heroic, anarchic foils also makes perfect sense.
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Also, modern managerial science-- such as the statistical forecasting of production, performance metrics (KPIs, OKRs, other bullshit)--originated on the slave plantation, not in the factory: https://hbr.org/2013/09/plantations-practiced-modern-management
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Eej posted:I do think this is nitpicking. She had him unarmed point blank with a dagger forged under the light of the two trees, before day and night even existed and he quite literally dunked and rinsed her without breaking a sweat. A scene of her chasing Halbrand as he runs away would've been a waste of runtime, like the extremely extended Harfoot goodbye! Fair enough in principle, I guess! But then if she’s realised offscreen that the man who she’d been pursuing for years is a horrifically powerful foe beyond her power to vanquish in battle (ignoring that time he was beaten up in a street fight by some commoners as All Part Of The Evil Plan) and she needs to be more cunning than just chasing after him…well, that’s actually the ideal culmination of her character arc across the entire season and I’d argue it needs some screentime (a lot more than…well, a good half of the Harfoots.)
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So Sauron can kick her rear end, easily.. Why didnt he?
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Cause his infinitely more powerful dad tried straight up war and it didn't work so the plan is to just control all of Middle Earth which means bending everyone to his will rather than kill all of them.grobbo posted:Fair enough in principle, I guess! But then if she’s realised offscreen that the man who she’d been pursuing for years is a horrifically powerful foe beyond her power to vanquish in battle (ignoring that time he was beaten up in a street fight by some commoners as All Part Of The Evil Plan) and she needs to be more cunning than just chasing after him…well, that’s actually the ideal culmination of her character arc across the entire season and I’d argue it needs some screentime (a lot more than…well, a good half of the Harfoots.) Agreed but what's done is done I guess and we can only fill in the blanks ourselves.
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Hamhandler posted:it's great but she says "Mordor" like an old 1920's gangster would say murder. I guess you can't roll your R's while singing easily. You can in fact roll or "flip" Rs when singing. It's commonplace in classical singing.
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Coldrice posted:I know this link was probs already posted but It just shows a complete disregard or an utterly baffling misunderstanding of the material they're working with. McKay and Payne are like incompetent versions of J.J. Abrams because after 8 episodes its clear they can't write a basic functional screenplay if their lives or $715 million depended on it. I've been reading some of these positive reviews from critics and I'm starting to think the culture war that has erupted around this show long before an episode aired is playing a big part in how they're grading it because its hard to see any other explanation. Yes, theres been some very loud bad-faith chud backlash against the show that hasn't been fair and sucking up a bunch of the oxygen in the room, but at the end of the day the writing here is still atrocious. I won't be watching Season 2 with these two still in charge, but its going to be fascinating watching the fallout and consensus around this show that emerges over the next two years. If in 6 months this is whats seen as acceptable for a $715m production with one of the GOAT author's name on it, then loving yikes for the future of entertainment.
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Trying to think of what the dumbest things they could do in Season 2 are My worst so far is that Adar is actually Finrod
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Further thinking about who's going to get the Nine rings of Men - the poem says nothing about them going to kings, so they could just be, like - regular dudes. I kind of expect one to go to Valandil, and Isildur gets so sad about that he names his son after his lost friend. But maybe the poem is wrong? It starts with "Three for the elven kings under the sky" Narya: Originally given to Gil-galad (Elven King) who then gave it to Cirdan (not a king) who then gave it to Gandalf (not an elf, not a king) Nenya: Originally given to Galadriel (Not a king) (I am secretly wishing for someone next season to go up to Galadriel and go "Hey, what's that ring?" "Nenya." "Nenya?" "Nenya business!") Vilya: originally given to Gil-galad (Elven King but the same one that got Narya), who then gave it to Elrond (not a king) I think this poem has some continuity problems.
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grobbo posted:Fair enough in principle, I guess! But then if she’s realised offscreen that the man who she’d been pursuing for years is a horrifically powerful foe beyond her power to vanquish in battle (ignoring that time he was beaten up in a street fight by some commoners as All Part Of The Evil Plan) and she needs to be more cunning than just chasing after him…well, that’s actually the ideal culmination of her character arc across the entire season and I’d argue it needs some screentime (a lot more than…well, a good half of the Harfoots.) Man, I didn't even know that I was annoyed about this until you mentioned it. She pursued Sauron obsessively for years until her stalwart elf companions actually mutinied on her. There's absolutely no way she wouldn't have immediately gathered a crew to go after him when she's just confirmed he's alive and within an hour or two of the city. And I feel like they must have had some sense of how powerful Sauron was after the war with Morgoth, that they figured that the 6 or 8 elves with Galadriel would be able to run him to ground, right? So yeah, if this was a huge wake-up call for Galadriel, like "holy poo poo Sauron is way more powerful than I thought, I'm no match for him" then you'd think it would be a plot point.
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