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Stux posted:she said she was lowballed, presumably because they did not want her back. we do not know why she was not wanted back in the role however she was replaced with a prolific union worker who likely demands a higher pay check than the person who does not do other va work at this point. thats literally all of the information available currently. She also said she's not exactly snowed under with work offers or rolling in cash. And we know that PG explained her voice not being featured as a scheduling incompatibility. Good on you to both sides this and remain impartial until formal proof shows up. Personally, for the time being, I'm leaning towards the company being slimeballs.
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MarcusSA posted:I think either way just because she was the VA for however many years doesn’t automatically give her the future rolls till the end of time. I think if we accept this then we accept that artists are just machines that take X input and produce Y output for the benefit of their owner, and I don't want to accept that. I think that is a horrible attitude, personally. Like, having a creative disagreement or the artist asking for a huge amount of money is one thing, but firing someone who is quite literally the voice of your work without even telling her why is extremely "we are all disposable cogs in the machine of capitalism" dystopian.
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Clarste posted:I think if we accept this then we accept that artists are just machines that take X input and produce Y output for the benefit of their owner, and I don't want to accept that. I think that is a horrible attitude, personally. Like, having a creative disagreement or the artist asking for a huge amount of money is one thing, but firing someone who is quite literally the voice of your work without even telling her why is extremely "we are all disposable cogs in the machine of capitalism" dystopian. This is what commercial art is.
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It doesn't have to be though? I'm not sure why we should accept things that are bad, personally.
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Like that is literally the point of unionizing and stuff.
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If they broke union rules, I imagine the union will take action. But I doubt they did.
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Union rules are not necessarily perfect. If something is bad and not covered by the rules it is reasonable to discuss whether it should be changed. "It is the way it is" is literally not an argument and I honestly don't know why you're saying it so smugly.
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I haven't said that at all.
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I don't understand the cultural differences angle. Surely just springing a surprise American-style "you're fired!" (and then replacing her with Hale, lying about scheduling conflicts, etc) would have been equally bad as soft-firing her with a lowball offer. FWIW though Kamiya blocking people isn't directly related to this issue. He's had a policy for years of instablocking anyone who tries to reply to or @ him in English. Which is pretty understandable as a Japanese dude who just wants to tweet in Japanese but whose games are super popular with a foreign-language-speaking English audience. RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Oct 16, 2022 |
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That is the only thing you've said, although not in those exact words. To be clear I don't think any of this breaks any rules, union or otherwise, and this public outcry will likely change nothing. But that's unrelated to whether it's hosed up or not.
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Clarste posted:That is the only thing you've said, although not in those exact words. To be clear I don't think any of this breaks any rules, union or otherwise, and this public outcry will likely change nothing. But that's unrelated to whether it's hosed up or not. I haven't said that, but you're on your warpath, so keep going then, my friend.
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Not really the thread for passive-aggressive snarking past each other for half a page
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Clarste posted:I think if we accept this then we accept that artists are just machines that take X input and produce Y output for the benefit of their owner, and I don't want to accept that. That's literally what work for hire is, there's no way around that without dismantling capitalism. Clarste posted:Like that is literally the point of unionizing and stuff. No, it's not. Unions exist as a way for workers to bargain collectively against management rather than individually, that's it. If workers collectively demand that they own the rights to the product, then they can try I guess, but management is still going to say no.
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Magmarashi posted:Not really the thread for passive-aggressive snarking past each other for half a page Oh, has the topic of this thread changed? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1581692094350913537?t=xI5zdb7T8elJLQQSzWSnVQ&s=19 Kamiya's account is now gone
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the ultimate block... we've all been owned
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He must've posted too much in English. Turned himself into an insect. Shame.
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Mr. Fortitude posted:https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1581692094350913537?t=xI5zdb7T8elJLQQSzWSnVQ&s=19 Now we’ll never get to find out what it is that completely exonerates him and his company!
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Which is pretty understandable as a Japanese dude who just wants to tweet in Japanese but whose games are super popular with a foreign-language-speaking English audience. I don't think it's that understandable to be honest
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I can't believe the 50-year-old man who wears sunglasses indoors and calls non-Japanese people "insects" is actually kind of a jerk
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regardless of anything else i think a japanese person, or anyone else for thaht matter, not wanting to deal with english speaking people doing the insane move of speaking english at every living thing on the planet and getting confused when theyre annoyed isnt an issue.
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mutata posted:He must've posted too much in English. Turned himself into an insect. Shame. As Hideki Kamiya awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into a gigantic insect.
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Stux posted:regardless of anything else i think a japanese person, or anyone else for thaht matter, not wanting to deal with english speaking people doing the insane move of speaking english at every living thing on the planet and getting confused when theyre annoyed isnt an issue.
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when you don't want scores of irate twitter posters @ing you then you restrict your replies, which is what kamiya had been doing for the last day or so. this is PR reaching out with a big vaudeville hook to yank him offstage
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Stux posted:regardless of anything else i think a japanese person, or anyone else for thaht matter, not wanting to deal with english speaking people doing the insane move of speaking english at every living thing on the planet and getting confused when theyre annoyed isnt an issue. this. also quite frankly I don't think the kamiya part is interesting at all but of course people are going to focus on him.
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why won't these ignorant americans learn japanese just to tweet at this one person?? it boggles the mind
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gently caress SNEEP posted:why won't these ignorant americans learn japanese just to tweet at this one person?? it boggles the mind Nailed it dude.
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Most obviously aren't aggro about it but it's pretty common for people to at least put "hey I don't speak English" in their bios.
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gently caress SNEEP posted:why won't these ignorant americans learn japanese just to tweet at this one person?? it boggles the mind twitter is a brain disease i would simply not try to talk with the person i have no connection with on the other side of the world instead of getting mad they won't speak english to me
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cheetah7071 posted:twitter is a brain disease i would simply not try to talk with the person i have no connection with on the other side of the world instead of getting mad they won't speak english to me This goes in both directions though, as anyone who would voluntarily use twitter should be in jail
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And if I really did need to talk to them I would go to the effort of translating my message into their own language first.
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The corporate dude being a weird racist is the least surprising part of this entire thing and it's not really germane to the thread imo
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Pretty sure if I went on twitter and said that I'll block anyone for tweeting at me in Japanese and then called them insects I would get banned for racism. Seeing as there's plenty of other Japanese developers who do not have this sort of hang-up, and some even have a dedicated English twitter account, I'm gonna go ahead and say this guy is just a piece of poo poo.
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gently caress SNEEP posted:Pretty sure if I went on twitter and said that I'll block anyone for tweeting at me in Japanese and then called them insects I would get banned for racism. Seeing as there's plenty of other Japanese developers who do not have this sort of hang-up, and some even have a dedicated English twitter account, I'm gonna go ahead and say this guy is just a piece of poo poo. are you loving stupid
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I think it's more that he made it a very prominent part of his persona that he'd reference as often as he could. For my money, if I had a language I didn't want to see on a social media website I wouldn't make part of my online persona a challenge to speakers of said language, while also occasionally using the language myself. Seems oddly counter-intuitive.
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out of all the things to get upset at in this situation i don't think i would pick the guy blocking all Americans on Twitter
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yup. this. clearly tthe guy is an ethno-nationalist and racist agianst americans to boot. and this of course has great and important bearing on the issue of if a va was mistreated by, presumably nintendo, but possibly him.
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"If white people can be banned for using the n-word, black people should be banned for saying cracker (I can say that it's my word.)"
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