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fknlo posted:I hate to break this to you, but the right already won. There are millions of fully radicalized people who believe batshit insane things and no longer share a reality with the rest of us because their entire reality is an ouroboros of bullshit and conspiracy fed to them by the right wing media machine. We have no means of deprogramming them, if they even can be. Things will never be "normal" again, at least through the ballot box.
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stealie72 posted:Even if they don't retake official reins of power, it's this. It's going to take generations to weed this poo poo out even if it started right now. It's like a fad that gets old after a few years only, instead of it being "pet rock", it's "we're embracing fascism because the orange man said so and also said that democrats are the badguy, not him!".
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Nov 8, 2022 22:35
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I'm not a policy expert but can't help but wonder if just giving everyone health care, that thing that people across the nation all support, would help, hmmmmmm
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Nov 8, 2022 22:36
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maffew buildings posted:I'm not a policy expert but can't help but wonder if just giving everyone health care, that thing that people across the nation all support, would help, hmmmmmm I was at a meeting once where a guy who is a policy expert summed up the research on state failure and civil war with "at heart violence is the result of objectively bad life situations interacting with dysfunctional beliefs." Statistically, increased spending on healthcare and education are two direct things that a government can do to reduce the risk of civil war. I don't see any reason why it wouldn't work here.
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Nov 8, 2022 22:41
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I hate waiting for this poo poo. I am hoping that it isn't going to be a miserable hellhole, but it probably will be. My husband and I are already working to get the gently caress out of PA as soon as able and that will only be accelerated if Shapiro doesn't manage to win tonight. I'm thrilled for the future prospect of my marriage being annulled by the state, among other things.
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Nov 8, 2022 22:43
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yeah but have you considered that on one side there are a bunch of genocidal maniacs and in the middle of bunch of quislings who just want to have brunch in peace
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Nov 8, 2022 22:43
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Primary total voters at my precinct: ~350 2021 citywide total voters at my precinct: ~450 Current total with three hours to go: 590 2020 general election: 730 Turns out, abortion amendments turn out voters even in off-year elections!
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Nov 8, 2022 22:50
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stealie72 posted:Even if they don't retake official reins of power, it's this. Surprisingly this isn't a new phenomenon - it's simply more visible than it ever has been. People have always believed fantastically stupid things. Maybe politicians actively engaging with their hair-brained beliefs at this scale is new but targeting dummys definitely isn't. I did same day registration in Washington and sent in my ballot! I'm part of the solution! I didn't get a loving sticker though so the whole thing felt kind of like a pointless bureaucratic exercise...
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facialimpediment posted:Primary total voters at my precinct: ~350 *except in FL 
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Grip it and rip it posted:Surprisingly this isn't a new phenomenon - it's simply more visible than it ever has been. People have always believed fantastically stupid things. Maybe politicians actively engaging with their hair-brained beliefs at this scale is new but targeting dummys definitely isn't. Idiots with power and a platform on which to make it a thing justify idiots without them (in their minds) having Bad Opinions because someone who was never even close to being adjusted socially said so on the TV picture box! It doesn't help that 1 of the 2 political parties in this country was so weak that it was hijacked by a septogenarian who has never been told no in his life and, when he finally was, didn't like it one bit and decided to try to take a match to the country because he was pouty.
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Nov 8, 2022 23:02
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Grip it and rip it posted:Surprisingly this isn't a new phenomenon - it's simply more visible than it ever has been. People have always believed fantastically stupid things. Maybe politicians actively engaging with their hair-brained beliefs at this scale is new but targeting dummys definitely isn't.
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davecrazy posted:Is this gonna be a bloodbath for Democrats? Yes. Or possibly no.
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davecrazy posted:Is this gonna be a bloodbath for Democrats? It seems like turnout is up and looking good, so here's hoping. There's gonna be a red mirage at first for sure. Its gonna take days to know the final results.
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Nov 9, 2022 00:07
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This will be the year of Beto.
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Nov 9, 2022 00:10
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time for my favorite part of nevada voting, ☑️ None of These Candidates
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stealie72 posted:Even if they don't retake official reins of power, it's this. Slobbering angry mobs whipped into a frenzy by demagogues is the default state of man, and what we're seeing is a return to the historical mean after a bizzare half- century anomaly. Post WW2 to 9/11 electronic broadcasting was overwhelmingly effective at drowning out other messaging but so fantastically expensive the only powers that could buy in to the game had interests that mostly aligned with the things that maintain a stable society. Meanwhile now we're coming up on 15 years of everyone in the world carrying a tv production studio, mobile newsvan, and transmitter tower in their pocket 24/7 shame on an IGA fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Wrong Theory posted:This will be the year of Beto. He was polling like 10% behind Abbott as of a few days ago IIRC so I wouldn’t bet the mortgage payment on this one.
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shame on an IGA posted:Meanwhile now we're coming up on 15 years of everyone in the world carrying a tv production studio, mobile newsvan, and transmitter tower in their pocket 24/7
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pantslesswithwolves posted:He was polling like 10% behind Abbott as of a few days ago IIRC so I wouldn’t bet the mortgage payment on this one. That was also a self reporting poll. Strangely enough, Abbott and company haven't really released anything that can be considered both accurate and earth shattering. Beto's camp has shown numerous polls with them near margin of error of Abbott. But they are stressing that they need help. I have a feeling the polls are off, this might be closer than Beto/Cruz. I am still expecting Abbott to win, regardless of my preference.
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From the other thread.MrMojok posted:You are saying that despite Roe and everything, what you’re seeing on the ground is that Dems aren’t coming out to vote, and republicans are going to win? Once again, the "Durrrrr vote lol" crowd is winning the election. Hooray. Buckle up for 24, the ride isn't ending this week. davecrazy posted:I honestly don’t understand who anybody can look at what’s at stake and just shrug their shoulders and decide to skip the eletction. Democrats in Miami don’t care about abortion rights? People in this very loving thread toot that horn. I live in a pretty red place, where I hear people complain about that RINO Lindsay Graham. I'll still vote, because maybe I can sneak in a less lovely person at the state level.
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Precinct up to 728 with an hour left. Presidential-level turnout in the murder mitten.davecrazy posted:Is this gonna be a bloodbath for Democrats? Well there's been a surprising result already https://twitter.com/EsotericCD/status/1590132168193638401?t=Ft_L3ktNGKiTNzjEUkw33w&s=19
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Wrong Theory posted:This will be the year of Beto. I moved to a new neighborhood this year. I expected it to be fairly Trumpy, although perhaps not new-build exurb levels of Trumpy. And yeah, there's a fair few signs that say "Tired of crime? Elect Republican judges" (Harris County GOP judges ate poo poo 2 years ago over bail reform) What I was not expecting: there are a lot of Beto signs. Way more than I remember seeing last time around. Definitely more than you would expect for a joke meme candidate. I don't think he'll win but after the winter storm and Uvalde a lot more people seem comfortable publicly supporting him. I hope the Democrats are investing in a deeper platform here and not just trying to fund raise off abahahaha I couldn't keep a straight face. I think he'll do better than he did against Cruz. Thing is though, nobody likes Cruz. I have met literally one person in my entire life who is a Ted Cruz fan. That person was in Florida.
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Discussion Quorum posted:I moved to a new neighborhood this year. I expected it to be fairly Trumpy, although perhaps not new-build exurb levels of Trumpy. And yeah, there's a fair few signs that say "Tired of crime? Elect Republican judges" (Harris County GOP judges ate poo poo 2 years ago over bail reform) I am in the same neighborhood for almost 8 years now. I am seeing the same shift you have perceived. Either people are ashamed of having an Abbott sign or support is lower than they are letting on. This is in Williamson County, not exactly the bastion of liberalism.
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Mr. Nice! posted:*except in FL Yeah, it's bad. Florida earliest and mail-ins are more democratic-leaning and uh: https://twitter.com/greggiroux/status/1590134819480293376?t=PFaejzBtzZIaCTt_10XQOA&s=19 Florida's p. much a red state at this point Edit: or centrist weenies are simply not enough to turn out Democrats *and* blunt the THEY'RE SOOOOCIALISTS poo poo that's killing them in Miami-Dade facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Surprise of the night could be brewing on the abortion side, as pro-lifers put an anti-abortion amendment on the ballot and there are a shitload of cross-party voters telling them to go gently caress themselves: https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1590143837686464513?t=kfFoJEq0CXU876pzJO-1UQ&s=19
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facialimpediment posted:Surprise of the night could be brewing on the abortion side, as pro-lifers put an anti-abortion amendment on the ballot and there are a shitload of cross-party voters telling them to go gently caress themselves: Yeah, it's almost like banning abortion is incredibly unpopular. Talking about it while doing almost nothing only goes so far though as shown by the apparent apathy from Dem voters.
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facialimpediment posted:Surprise of the night could be brewing on the abortion side, as pro-lifers put an anti-abortion amendment on the ballot and there are a shitload of cross-party voters telling them to go gently caress themselves: "I don't want abortion to be illegal, but I will vote for candidates who will definitely vote to ban abortion" sure is a coherent position.
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So does this mean the pundits can finally let go of "swing state Florida?"
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Stultus Maximus posted:So does this mean the pundits can finally let go of "swing state Florida?" That died in 2000. We’re just taking it off life support. As Mr Nice noted, FL Dems are in shambles and no sign of that changing. The Fried / Crist primary fight exposed just how big the gulf is between wings of the party. Dade looks like it flipped GOP which I doubt anyone in Dem Leadership ever thought could happen.
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davecrazy posted:Is this gonna be a bloodbath for Democrats? I just hope they keep the Senate. That's a win for me. Anything else is a bonus.
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I should sleep and stop F5'ing the forums and other sites, it doesn't do me any good. Existential dread is already enough.
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As of 10PM EST, I don't see a single election caller saying it's a red wave. Outside of Florida, Democrats are winning a few toss-ups (Spanberger), while winning Republican reaches (CO-SEN) just aren't close. But Republicans don't need a wave, so it's still a senate toss-up with a heavily favored house flip. Georgia's probably iffy and trending runoff due to the libertarian pulling 2%, who knows on that one.
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Is WI still in Blue Mirage stage? I was expecting it to be much closer then Dem+2 with 43% in per NYT.
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Nystral posted:That died in 2000. We’re just taking it off life support. Reminder that Desantis led a redistricting effort that broke a bunch of black strongholds to make that easier too
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Nov 9, 2022 04:17
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CommieGIR posted:Reminder that Desantis led a redistricting effort that broke a bunch of black strongholds to make that easier too Let's be real here, how is your best candidate Crist
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lightpole posted:Let's be real here, how is your best candidate Crist Because his challenger was a moderately progressive woman so you can guess where the party put their money.
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