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Enough making GBS threads on hyperlynx, please. They didn't know about the history, and have come out of today a better educated individual. That doesn't make them racist
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Failed Imagineer posted:If you don't get that blackface is inherently offensive to black people regardless of your country's rich historical traditions, then you are probably dumb as a brick No, I get that it is. I don't get why it is, but that's not actually relevant. I don't need to know why something upsets people to know not to do it, that's just common decency. I thought that goes without saying. E: I'm not ruling out me being dumb as a brick, though Hyperlynx has a new favorite as of 22:58 on Nov 5, 2022 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:
Jesus, Alan Brough's a lot older than I thought
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RFC2324 posted:Enough making GBS threads on hyperlynx, please. They didn't know about the history, and have come out of today a better educated individual. That doesn't make them racist Hyperlynx posted:No, I get that it is. I don't get why it is, but that's not actually relevant. I don't need to know why something upsets people to know not to do it, that's just common decency. I thought that goes without saying. You got a mod assist just stop digging!
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E: forget it. I'm not doing anyone any good by continuing the topic, least of all me
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Unkempt posted:Jesus, Alan Brough's a lot older than I thought I was thinking Mike Stoklasa but yours is a much more accurate call.
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Hyperlynx posted:E: forget it. I'm not doing anyone any good by continuing the topic, least of all me Oh thank goodness lmao. On topic too!
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franco posted:I was thinking Mike Stoklasa but yours is a much more accurate call. Same but also Joseph Gilgun
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I listen to a lot of podcasts and the term "inside baseball" is used all the time. Frequently whenever the podcast hosts start talking about something perhaps a little too in-depth, they will say, "We're getting a little inside baseball here" or something like that. All this time I assumed there was some popular show about baseball called Inside Baseball and this was a reference to that somehow, but it just comes from 1950s political slang.
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Rico and Ibañez in Starship Troopers have Spanish names because they're Argentinian (possibly also true of Flores, I don't know what the backstory for him is in the book) --------- Reginald, Reynold, Reynauld, Renaut, Ronald are all variations on the same name. Edit: Ronnie and Reggie Kray basically had the same name Captain Splendid has a new favorite as of 16:59 on Nov 8, 2022 |
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FreudianSlippers posted:The British use Traveller as they have two distinct and unrelated groups of Travelers. The Romani and Irish Travellers (Mincéirí). Only two? smdh There are also the Scottish Highland Travellers (usual slur being "tinks") who are recorded as far back as the 12th century (and are not relocated Irish Travellers), and the travelling fairground/market showmen families some of whom have possibly been around since the late medieval period. The Romani also have several distinct regional lineages (e.g. the Welsh Kale).  og New Age Travellers =/= "Basically hippies/crusties". There was a fundamental and massive DIY anarcho-punk influence at their roots* and a non-negligible rasta input**. Crusties appropriated chunks of the aesthetic but didn't generally pick up the essential practical skills needed for a life on the road. There was also a later offshoot of the NA Travellers that returned to exclusively horse-drawn transport (though afaik most of them ended up leaving Britain because this is a hard lifestyle when local councils constantly freak out over attempts to graze your horse on "public" land or verges, and entitled twats in cars keep calling the cops cos your slow moving transport delayed their oh so vital journey) and a very recent trend of stealth travellers using vehicles that aren't visibly designed to live in. *See Penny Rimbaud of Crass' excellent book The Last of the Hippies for more. ** Marley's Redemption Song being a perennial campfire favourite for example.
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Captain Splendid posted:Rico and Ibañez in Starship Troopers have Spanish names because they're Argentinian (possibly also true of Flores, I don't know what the backstory for him is in the book) He was from the Philippines in the book, there was a whole but where he talks about speaking Tagalog with one of the other infantrymen.
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Bargearse posted:He was from the Philippines in the book, there was a whole but where he talks about speaking Tagalog with one of the other infantrymen. Well, I guess that would also explain a Spanish surname
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Bargearse posted:He was from the Philippines in the book, there was a whole but where he talks about speaking Tagalog with one of the other infantrymen.
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I'm from Manila and I say "oh, that's a shame."
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KoRMaK posted:in the movie they are all white people Hmmmmmmmmmmm
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KoRMaK posted:in the movie they are all white people That’s absolutely a deliberate choice. And in the book he’s definitely from BA. His meets up with his Dad who joined after his wife/Johnny’s mom was killed in the attack on BA.
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I used to love that book. I tried revisiting it a while ago and I couldn’t make it past the bit where Heinlein’s self-insert furiously wanks himself off over public executions and how great they are. Heinlein is so frustrating because although he came up with some legitimately interesting sci-fi concepts, you have to be prepared to wade through some horrendous space-libertarian poo poo to enjoy it. TK-42-1 posted:That’s absolutely a deliberate choice. If I remember right they just had a home in Buenos Aires, they weren’t actually from there, but I could be misremembering. Bargearse has a new favorite as of 04:31 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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TK-42-1 posted:That’s absolutely a deliberate choice. Starship Troopers posted:I suppose I noticed the destruction of B. A. much less than most civilians did. We were already a couple of parsecs away under Cherenkov drive and the news didn't reach us until we got it from another ship after we came out of drive.
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Bargearse posted:Heinlein is so frustrating because although he came up with some legitimately interesting sci-fi concepts, you have to be prepared to wade through some horrendous space-libertarian poo poo to enjoy it. I don't actually have to do any of that. gently caress libertarianism and their sex predator voters.
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Wasabi the J posted:I don't actually have to do any of that. Probably bad choice of words on my part. I should have said that other, better books exist that cover the same ground as Heinlein did but without the odious bullshit.
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credburn posted:I listen to a lot of podcasts and the term "inside baseball" is used all the time. Frequently whenever the podcast hosts start talking about something perhaps a little too in-depth, they will say, "We're getting a little inside baseball here" or something like that. All this time I assumed there was some popular show about baseball called Inside Baseball and this was a reference to that somehow, but it just comes from 1950s political slang. What! I've been imagining some decades-old show called Inside Baseball. With a bunch of late middle aged guys smoking pipes while discussing McDichael's bat-strike returnage rate or something.
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As someone who read a lot of Heinlein as a teen, looking back, I'd say that Heinlein's politics are too ill-formed and poorly-thought-out to make that strong of a statement about. Heinlein wasn't really a libertarian. Some of his work makes it seem that way, but taken as a whole, his body of work doesn't really have coherent politics. Honestly I think "centrist liberal" describes him better, even though that libertarian poo poo is still there in places. But he's mostly what you got when a somewhat left-leaning guy buys into a bunch of WW2 and Cold War propaganda. In his most famous and influential book, Stranger in a Strange Land, the hero starts an idealistic free-love hippie commune, and the villain is an evangelical megachurch. In The Moon is a Harsh Mistress the heroes foment a worker's revolution against the corrupt bourgeois government, straight out of the Marxist-Leninist playbook (but couched in the language of libertarianism and not communism because, as mentioned, he bought into cold war propaganda really hard and didn't understand what "communism" means). In Time Enough for Love, the main character, blessed with extreme longevity, marries a young woman who he had adopted and raised as a daughter. And in Starship Troopers, the main character accepts uncritically the propaganda of a flagrantly fascist government. So, that's all four corners of the political compass right there. It's also worth noting that libertarianism in his time, or at least the flavor that he seemed to subscribed to, is a lot different from the "corporations are people and should have the right to murder me" style of modern libertarianism. He really did believe in freedom, for others as well as himself, and was pro-LGBTQ+ rights and kinda feminist (in a way that, today, would be considered archaic and backward, but he was doing a lot better than the society around him at the time). And, well, idk if anyone can really decipher what he was trying to say in Farnham's Freehold but I think he was trying to be anti-racist (that book is really bad imo). Definitely don't read Starship Troopers, but I still think that some of his work is redeemable, mainly the short stories and some of the young adult novels. And his importance to the history of sci-fi cannot be denied. In conclusion, Heinlein is a land of contrasts.
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Yeah but there's a lot of creeps from that era who are champions of sexual identity politics because they wanted to have sexual relations with teenagers not because they were at the stonewall riots.DontMockMySmock posted:In Time Enough for Love, the main character, blessed with extreme longevity, marries a young woman who he had adopted and raised as a daughter. Case in point lmao Dude isn't left leaning. He's at best a Get Out horrorshow-lib with a penchant for writing alternative works of fiction extolling the virtues of libertarianism and fascism and pondering the sexual relationship his characters have with their children. Wasabi the J has a new favorite as of 06:50 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Wasabi the J posted:Yeah but there's a lot of creeps from that era who are champions of sexual identity politics because they wanted to have sexual relations with teenagers not because they were at the stonewall riots. Also the bit in The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress where the protagonist falls in love with a girl who couldn’t be any older than 12 and immediately brings her into his group marriage thing. edit: my god this is the worst derail I am so sorry Bargearse has a new favorite as of 08:06 on Nov 9, 2022 |
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Bargearse posted:Also the bit in The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress where the protagonist falls in love with a girl who couldn’t be any older than 12 and immediately brings her into his group marriage thing. To clarify, the twelve-year-old character is adopted by the main character and his family, and marries someone(s) else later in the book (I don't think she's still 12 at that point but she's probably not 18, so there's still a "yikes" there). The main character falls in love with, and brings into his group marriage, a different (adult) character. But yeah Time Enough for Love is usually my go-to when I have to explain that Heinlein had some hosed up sexual politics. Besides marrying a woman that he had adopted as a child, he also has a sexual relationship with his mother (time travel is involved, it occurs when his non-time-travelled self is about five years old), he facilitates a sexual relationship between twin siblings, and he has a sexual relationship with two gender-swapped clones of himself who are (iirc) 15 years old at the time. Heinlein pretty much went off the deep end with that book, and all of his books he wrote after that are incredibly terrible as well.
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The very first grown-up novel I read was The Door Into Summer. I remember having to write a book report, and most of the kids were doing like sixth grade level poo poo, but Starship Troopers the film came out and the book was by my favorite author so like ten year-old me or whatever age you are in sixth grade, I'm like gently caress yeah this is going to be rad! And like, the first chapter is really rad! And then... --space-fascism and military wank essay
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The reason why the word 'fence' can refer to both a pallisade or to swordplay is because they are both derived from the Latin for 'defence'.
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FreudianSlippers posted:What about someone who buys and sells stolen goods? Sense of "dealer in stolen goods" is thieves' slang, first attested c. 1700, from notion of such transactions taking place under defense of secrecy.
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Captain Splendid posted:Sense of "dealer in stolen goods" is thieves' slang, first attested c. 1700, from notion of such transactions taking place under defense of secrecy.
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DontMockMySmock posted:To clarify, the twelve-year-old character is adopted by the main character and his family, and marries someone(s) else later in the book (I don't think she's still 12 at that point but she's probably not 18, so there's still a "yikes" there). The main character falls in love with, and brings into his group marriage, a different (adult) character. It took me a while to figure out that the Ethan Hawke movie Predestination was based on Heinlein but I pieced it together. Something called All You Zombies. It's the most incestual story ever I guess.
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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:It took me a while to figure out that the Ethan Hawke movie Predestination was based on Heinlein but I pieced it together. Something called All You Zombies. It's the most incestual story ever I guess. I read All You Zombies ages ago and thought I remembered it being more of a satire extending that creepier side of the genre to a bizarre degree. But nope, guess it was just one of the true creeps after all!
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